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psgmariner
January 12, 2022, 11:07am

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We need a lot of incoming players!


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Both recalled, I imagine through lack of gametime.

Massive shame about Bapaga, we've seen it numerous times over the years when Hurst just hasn't fancied the exciting winger type and Bapaga falls right into that category. No doubt he'll have a good career in the game.

Revan, well, what a huge disappointment, a long way to go if he's to make it in the game IMO
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Unsurprising given they’ve barely been used of late. Shame to see so many of the positives of our early season in Towler, Hunt and Bapaga exiting the club.

Indeed, we have some serious recruitment to do, and pronto. Surely there will be some incomings before Saturday?


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That's 6 out none in . Make of that what you will . Worrying.
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We are currently not good enough so new players are obviously welcome but doesn't sit well with the 'building a team' ethos we've heard about for the last 12 months of Hurst's reign.

Handy to have the 'time to gel' card back available though.


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flipping hell will we have enough players to field a team soon
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January 12, 2022, 11:14am

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Sent back or recalled?


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Quoted from psgmariner
We are currently not good enough so new players are obviously welcome but doesn't sit well with the 'building a team' ethos we've heard about for the last 12 months of Hurst's reign.

Handy to have the 'time to gel' card back available though.


Hard to disagree with that. Whatever context you apply to it, things simply haven’t been good enough on and off the pitch since late October, and as a staunch fan of Hurst and the new board things are close to becoming unacceptable.


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Not surprising at all. Hurst obviously did a u-turn on Bapaga, weirdly at the time when he was looking like an exciting prospect. Something must have gone on there, as I refuse to believe that Hurst phased him out for that bizarre red card. He clearly never fancied Revan. Looked incredibly lively vs Bromsgrove and then dire vs Aldershot and never seen since.

We now have two full backs in the squad, a left back and a right back who went off injured last night.
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No doubt they will be fit but not 'match fit'
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Revan doesn't really look ready for men's football yet, but will perhaps develop into a reasonable enough player given time. I can't see any way he'll be a Premier League player, however.

Bapaga started poorly, had a purple patch but then became ineffective once again and dropped out of the team.

I can't help but think that it must be especially tough for young players to move miles away from friends and family during the middle of a pandemic and it's not a surprise that many of them don't have the ability to settle in well.
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January 12, 2022, 11:19am

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Hard to disagree with that. Whatever context you apply to it, things simply haven’t been good enough on and off the pitch since late October, and as a staunch fan of Hurst and the new board things are close to becoming unacceptable.


Agreed this is showing signs of poor management if you take players on loan from higher up the pyramid than you must give them a chance even if it’s on the bench but constantly overlooking them of course the parent club will recall
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I don't see why we gave up on Bapaga. In open play he was a bit inconsistent, but still capable of scoring the odd goal, however I've never seen a player so adept at winning penalties. He must have drawn about 4 or 5 of them and JFC we could do with someone like that in our current form


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Just had a quick count on cod almighty that leaves us with about 20 players to call on and4 of them are keepers
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Just had a quick count on cod almighty that leaves us with about 20 players to call on and4 of the are keepers


Jimmy Mac started out as a striker...
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Revan doesn't really look ready for men's football yet, but will perhaps develop into a reasonable enough player given time. I can't see any way he'll be a Premier League player, however.

Bapaga started poorly, had a purple patch but then became ineffective once again and dropped out of the team.

I can't help but think that it must be especially tough for young players to move miles away from friends and family during the middle of a pandemic and it's not a surprise that many of them don't have the ability to settle in well.


Sorry, when did Bapaga become ineffective? His 'purple patch' happened when he won 3 penalties and scored twice in 3 games. He started one game after his ridiculously harsh red card and was limited to 43 minutes from the bench, all whilst in a losing position.

I accept some might want to back Hursts decision here but let's not reinvent history
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January 12, 2022, 11:38am
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Can the last player at Town please turn off the lights, I know he wants a sustainable club but this is going to far


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Thought Bapaga had some ability not sure what happened there but we didn't get best out of him... why?

Was it the player or perhaps the management team not giving him the encouragement needed.. perhaps both..
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Jimmy Mac started out as a striker...


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I don't see why we gave up on Bapaga. In open play he was a bit inconsistent, but still capable of scoring the odd goal, however I've never seen a player so adept at winning penalties. He must have drawn about 4 or 5 of them and JFC we could do with someone like that in our current form


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Sorry, when did Bapaga become ineffective? His 'purple patch' happened when he won 3 penalties and scored twice in 3 games. He started one game after his ridiculously harsh red card and was limited to 43 minutes from the bench, all whilst in a losing position.

I accept some might want to back Hursts decision here but let's not reinvent history


he wasn't very good at bromsgrove and was bloody awful at wealdstone. didn't work hard enough for me
i will be gobsmacked if revan ever gerts anywhere near Villa's first team
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Sorry, when did Bapaga become ineffective? His 'purple patch' happened when he won 3 penalties and scored twice in 3 games. He started one game after his ridiculously harsh red card and was limited to 43 minutes from the bench, all whilst in a losing position.

I accept some might want to back Hursts decision here but let's not reinvent history


Incorrect:

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=123240

He started the Yeovil game (which we won - can't remember if he won the penalty?), played all 90 minutes in the defeat at Wealdstone, played an hour of the Cup defeat at Kidderminster and then got 20 minutes off the bench in the defeats at Aldershot and Solihull. That indicates a loss of form to me, which wouldn't be a surprise given his slow start to the season. Hurst mentioned in an interview the other day that he was ill, so perhaps that is something to do with him dropping out of the running.
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We'll never know the details but, from the outside at least, I'm disappointed that we didn't see more of Bapaga and even more disappointed that he's been recalled.

I also seem to remember either he (or maybe Hurst) said he could potentially play in the McAtee role? And did he do that v Bromsgrove?

Two things I've found interesting of late — firstly, how much game time we've given to loan players when compared to other teams in the division (that graphic was doing the rounds a couple of weeks back). I didn't have PH down as a manager who relied on loan players that much.

Because (second thing) when we won promotion in 15/16, I don't believe we had many players on loan that season. It felt like a squad that had been built gradually over time. A few short term contracts like Nolan, but not many loans.

I remember Hurst getting rid of Scott Nielsen and Aswad Thomas - both more than capable players at this level. Disagreed with it at the time but next season? Promoted.

It's always hard to tell what will happen next, and whether the decision not to play Bapaga more (if possible) was right.

PH must have a few signings up his sleeve. But it's funny that when our squad was at its largest, we couldn't (and still can't) get a result.


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You're too young to remember Jack Lester then?  


Yes, he left town when I was 12.


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Incorrect:

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=123240

He started the Yeovil game (which we won - can't remember if he won the penalty?), played all 90 minutes in the defeat at Wealdstone, played an hour of the Cup defeat at Kidderminster and then got 20 minutes off the bench in the defeats at Aldershot and Solihull. That indicates a loss of form to me, which wouldn't be a surprise given his slow start to the season. Hurst mentioned in an interview the other day that he was ill, so perhaps that is something to do with him dropping out of the running.



Considering the last 11 matches I don't think Bapaga is the only one who has lost form.
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Considering the last 11 matches I don't think Bapaga is the only one who has lost form.


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Incorrect:

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=123240

He started the Yeovil game (which we won - can't remember if he won the penalty?), played all 90 minutes in the defeat at Wealdstone, played an hour of the Cup defeat at Kidderminster and then got 20 minutes off the bench in the defeats at Aldershot and Solihull. That indicates a loss of form to me, which wouldn't be a surprise given his slow start to the season. Hurst mentioned in an interview the other day that he was ill, so perhaps that is something to do with him dropping out of the running.


So it was all correct aside from the fact he started against Kidderminster?
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Incorrect:

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=123240

He started the Yeovil game (which we won - can't remember if he won the penalty?), played all 90 minutes in the defeat at Wealdstone, played an hour of the Cup defeat at Kidderminster and then got 20 minutes off the bench in the defeats at Aldershot and Solihull. That indicates a loss of form to me, which wouldn't be a surprise given his slow start to the season. Hurst mentioned in an interview the other day that he was ill, so perhaps that is something to do with him dropping out of the running.


Yep, got to the ball just before the keeper who took him out.


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he wasn't very good at bromsgrove and was bloody awful at wealdstone. didn't work hard enough for me


I think the lack of work rate is key here. Hurst obviously was prepared to put up with it whilst we were winning and bapaga was giving lots of end product. As soon as the team loses form his first thought is towards the keep us shape type thinking so he is prepared to forgive sousas lack of end product in return for his work rate, bapaga he isn't so forgiving with. And that is despite Hurst as good as saying sousa needs to produce more in the box.

I personally would rather have seen bapaga come on in games like v notts etc when we r matching teams and its getting late but we can't find a goal. I think Hurst sees him as risking the 1 point he currently has (until they score) rather than being an opportunity for 2 more.

Sousa and bapaga combined would be great (work rate and getting us up the pitch combined with end product) but obviously wouldn't be playing for us if so.

I am definitely disappointed bapaga wasn't used more I think his ability invthe box is probably more what the team has been missing over the last 11 gamed with 1 win, rather than one more player with work rate but no invention in the final third.
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So it was all correct aside from the fact he started against Kidderminster?


Yes, which means it was incorrect.
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We are currently not good enough so new players are obviously welcome but doesn't sit well with the 'building a team' ethos we've heard about for the last 12 months of Hurst's reign.

Handy to have the 'time to gel' card back available though.


Hit the nail on the head. Never really understood the team building mantra that many on here spout to defend, what is ultimately poor management, on and off the pitch. Most seasons we see basically a new team, so where in that is team building? Basically many of these players are not up to the task but they are HURSTS players. To be honest though, the effort exists and the potential for better was in evidence earlier in the season. The common denominator in this whole sorry sh!t show is Hurst. I know many on here are unwilling to accept it, but he is not up to the job. Sooner or later he will be gone and then the whole sorry, merry go round will start again.
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Tbh the way we have treated loans over the last couple of seasons clubs will be thinking what's the point of sending them to Grimsby when they don't get played for some reason after a few weeks.

This goes back to last season or even before, we have a weird obsession of bringing loans in playing them then dropping them even if they found form or not.  


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Most young players are inconsistent, it's part of the learning curve. When you take one on loan it's part of the deal and surely you have to stick with them or get rid?
If you're not prepared to do that you have to get permanent deals over the line or take experienced players on loan. Trouble is who loans out proven, experienced players?
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Surely Bapaga became surplus to requirements once we signed JMD on a permanent contract. Revan is currently not good enough and of all the loanees, only Towler and Hunt would be of the required standard to go beyond January. Towler was recalled and we couldn't reach a deal for Hunt, despite trying.

We have enough wide players at the club, so keeping Bapaga doesn't make sense if we want to move away from loan deals.

The acid test will be what we do now to bolster the squad. We need a couple of defenders, a midfielder or two and a striker I reckon. Finding the right players that want to come here permanently is obviously proving difficult, so I would expect a mix of more experienced loans and a couple of permanent signings in the coming days/weeks.
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Need like 7 players now. 0 faith in Hurst to 7 players in, never mind 7 good players
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Surely Bapaga became surplus to requirements once we signed JMD on a permanent contract. Revan is currently not good enough and of all the loanees, only Towler and Hunt would be of the required standard to go beyond January. Towler was recalled and we couldn't reach a deal for Hunt, despite trying.

We have enough wide players at the club, so keeping Bapaga doesn't make sense if we want to move away from loan deals.

The acid test will be what we do now to bolster the squad. We need a couple of defenders, a midfielder or two and a striker I reckon. Finding the right players that want to come here permanently is obviously proving difficult, so I would expect a mix of more experienced loans and a couple of permanent signings in the coming days/weeks.


I see what yiur saying but was bapaga underused whilst we did have him? for me yes, I feel he offered something different and was worth trying at least as a sub, more than he was. But i think the bad run put Hurst off playing him as he sought draws to arrest the defeats, and wanted a hard worker. Perhaps also he wanted Coventry to recall him to free up another loan spot if his mind was made up.
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