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Pretty much exactly what Poojah said if I wasn’t as blunt/lazy.

I think my irritation is impacting my ability to explain myself more eloquently. I don't disagree with the majority of what you say Poojah. I also don't particularly love the flag or think the comms have been handled well. I too think Rich Lyons 'statement' this afternoon is at best prickly and unhelpful and expect the board think so too though they'll be too professional to say so.

We are talking about somebody who has voluntarily tried to fix something so what you're actually asking is can he now do more unpaid work to make it just how you want it. Maybe he should have a thicker skin but surely people can empathise that he must feel a bit excrement about this and the club are now in an increasingly horrible position of trying to balance not offending him whilst satisfying the supporters who aren't happy. Anyone who listened to the DN35 podcast will have heard JS saying they know they cocked it up but just didn't think this would be regarded as a significant change. They also thought the Mariners Trust board members support would mean more than it has. On the basis of everything else they've done I will happily give them the benefit of the doubt.

Wasn’t going to say anything but what the heck.

Aren’t there any grown ups in the room?

Can someone accept the fact that the flag has drunk people off? Can someone please digitise the existing badge? Can someone pay someone to do it?

Move on.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I think my irritation is impacting my ability to explain myself more eloquently. I don't disagree with the majority of what you say Poojah. I also don't particularly love the flag or think the comms have been handled well. I too think Rich Lyons 'statement' this afternoon is at best prickly and unhelpful and expect the board think so too though they'll be too professional to say so.

We are talking about somebody who has voluntarily tried to fix something so what you're actually asking is can he now do more unpaid work to make it just how you want it. Maybe he should have a thicker skin but surely people can empathise that he must feel a bit excrement about this and the club are now in an increasingly horrible position of trying to balance not offending him whilst satisfying the supporters who aren't happy. Anyone who listened to the DN35 podcast will have heard JS saying they know they cocked it up but just didn't think this would be regarded as a significant change. They also thought the Mariners Trust board members support would mean more than it has. On the basis of everything else they've done I will happily give them the benefit of the doubt.

Personally, I’d be very proud if something I spent a significant amount of personal time on, and was able to do in the first place as a result of years of hard work, education and commercial experience, became the club I love’s most prominent insignia. I can’t speak for Rich, but I would imagine that played a part in his original decision to take this project on of his own accord.

Where we’re at now, it seems, is that there’s a good chance we end up reverting to a ‘digitised’ version of the old badge, whatever that means. I just think that would be a shame.

My career has since moved in a different direction, but I spent my early professional years as a designer, albeit not to anywhere Rich’s level. I do know though that sometimes you produce something which you’re really proud of, and think is absolutely perfect.

I also know how galling it is when then client disagrees, and wants to make changes. Sometimes, you might feel, unjustifiably. It hurts to take to editing something that you already passionately believe is perfect, and have to make it less so in your opinion.

But there’s an element of “the customer’s always right”, and sometimes you have to swallow your pride.

If I were in his position, having spent no doubt countless hours already, I’d want to bite my tongue, find a compromise that appealed to the majority and ensure that my work sat loud and proud on the chests of our players for the next couple of decades or so.

But that’s just me.

I don't think any of that is unfair Poojah. Maybe he's a better designer than you were but lacks your emotional intelligence. Or maybe it's easier to be calm and rational if you're a little more removed from it all than he is.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I don't think any of that is unfair Poojah. Maybe he's a better designer than you were but lacks your emotional intelligence. Or maybe it's easier to be calm and rational if you're a little more removed from it all than he is.

Probably the latter. In terms of emotional intelligence, any time I lose an argument with the wife my typical response is to go and take a shit in her side of the wardrobe. So, yeah, probably not that.

😂 Maybe just release a statement on Twitter next time?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

😂 Maybe just release a statement on Twitter next time?

Where’s the dignity in that?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Wasn’t going to say anything but what the heck.

Aren’t there any grown ups in the room?

Can someone accept the fact that the flag has drunk people off? Can someone please digitise the existing badge? Can someone pay someone to do it?

Move on.

Thought you was taking time out Codger or was it someone else?

It's probably best to draw a line under this once the vote has concluded, even if that means keeping the flag (that would mean a majority have voted for it, after all).  Hopefully this one gets chalked up to a hard lesson in how to communicate effectively with supporters.

While some people have probably got over-emotional about this and left Rich feeling a bit unappreciated, our badge and colours form part of our intrinsic identity as GTFC supporters and we've a right to feel protective about them.  

It's our 150th anniversary in 2028 and it would be nice to design a new badge - with fans consulted, of course   - for that occasion.  That would also mean that whichever badge gets chosen in the vote will only have to last 6 years anyway.