Wrexham

Having to play behind closed doors apparently.

Any reason? Tried Google, no joy.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Any reason? Tried Google, no joy.

A ruling by the Welsh Government, all outside sport to be behind closed doors such as football and horse racing till 7th January.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/59700087

Or they could play them in an English Stadium if they can arrange it...they played away for some reason...possibly their pitch... already this season.

Quoted from arryarryarry

A ruling by the Welsh Government, all outside sport to be behind closed doors such as football and horse racing till 7th January.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/59700087

Ah right. Cheers.

Thats pretty excrement for them.

They had a 9000 sell out on Boxing Day !!
I know there are arguments as to wether they should be in an ‘English’ league. And the same for Swansea I guess.
But playing behind closed doors whilst all your opponents don’t have to doesn’t seem right to me.

The Drakeford is an anus.

Quoted from Civvy at last

They had a 9000 sell out on Boxing Day !!
I know there are arguments as to wether they should be in an ‘English’ league. And the same for Swansea I guess.
But playing behind closed doors whilst all your opponents don’t have to doesn’t seem right to me.

Have to agree, whilst it could be a disadvantage which other teams benefit from, seems harsh. You can get in the the argument of rules and the like regarding covid but here it just seems incredibly harsh and surely means there’s even more disparity in the game…a bit like when they had those ridiculous ‘zones’ or tiers or whatever they called them, some teams were allowed fans, others weren’t…wasn’t exactly fair…

They are just foreshadowing what will happen here.

Once Christmas is out the way you watch the restrictions fly in thick and fast unfortunately.

I would hope the National League will allow them to postpone their home game on Boxing Day. Their next home game after that is Tuesday 25th January against us.

No sympathy at all. They voted for their leaders, and they shouldn't be in our leagues anyway

Quoted from fishboyUTM

The Drakeford is an anus.

It’s a shame we don’t have a Prime Minister who prioritises protecting the NHS and key public services ahead of protecting himself, those in his inner circle & having to worry about the nutters in his party from sending letters in to Graham Brady & finishing him off.

At times of crisis you need a leader who does the right thing ahead of making himself popular or making decisions based on being re-elected in the future by pandering to the anti-everything mob.

If it was Drakeford or Johnson give me Drakeford everytime.

Easy for Drakeford and and Sturgeon to impose lockdowns that impinge on the economy, they just hold out their begging bowls to us nasty English and we give them another few billion pounds,as happened at the back of last week.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Easy for Drakeford and and Sturgeon to impose lockdowns that impinge on the economy, they just hold out their begging bowls to us nasty English and we give them another few billion pounds,as happened at the back of last week.

Scottish and Welsh tax payers pay into the same pot as us, so are equally as entitled to help when required.

Don’t forget that Thatcher’s revolution in the 80s was funded with the revenue from North Sea Oil. Without the black gold off the coast of Scotland Thatcherism couldn’t have happened.

The myth that Scotland & Wales takes more from the union than they put in is just that. It’s not true and when English people use the lie as a stick to beat Wales & Scotland with it just fuels the SNP and makes the break up of the union more likely.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Scottish and Welsh tax payers pay into the same pot as us, so are equally as entitled to help when required.

Don’t forget that Thatcher’s revolution in the 80s was funded with the revenue from North Sea Oil. Without the black gold off the coast of Scotland Thatcherism couldn’t have happened.

The myth that Scotland & Wales takes more from the union than they put in is just that. It’s not true and when English people use the lie as a stick to beat Wales & Scotland with it just fuels the SNP and makes the break up of the union more likely.

I think it's a bit neither/or type situation.  https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-has-scotland-subsidised-the-rest-of-the-uk - generally a lack of evidence on either side to support the argument.

What I would say is that I imagine both Wales and Scotland would be weaker in terms of negotiations and trade, not to mention as a military force, by not sitting in the Union.   However, they would also be able to rejoin the EU...which in turn would strengthen them to a position far greater than those that remain in the Union.  If, big if, either Scotland or Wales gain complete independence from the Union, I think it could have a domino effect and we see breakaways of regions from England.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I think it's a bit neither/or type situation.  https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-has-scotland-subsidised-the-rest-of-the-uk - generally a lack of evidence on either side to support the argument.

What I would say is that I imagine both Wales and Scotland would be weaker in terms of negotiations and trade, not to mention as a military force, by not sitting in the Union.   However, they would also be able to rejoin the EU...which in turn would strengthen them to a position far greater than those that remain in the Union.  If, big if, either Scotland or Wales gain complete independence from the Union, I think it could have a domino effect and we see breakaways of regions from England.

They wouldn't be able to join the EU. Look at the mess with NI and that's with a sea separating us. No way will we or the EU let that happen.

Wales definitely take more than they pay. Scotland is a difficult one, but when the green revolution comes and the oil drilling stops then they will be firmly taking too.

Drakeford is a former Professor of Social Policy who has a good grasp of public health issues and is highly respected in Wales.

Johnson is a former journalist, known for his laziness, dishonesty and willingness to say anything which will benefit him, regardless of the wider consequences. Nobody believes a word he says.

I know which one I'd prefer to see directing public policy.

Quoted from pen penfras

They wouldn't be able to join the EU. Look at the mess with NI and that's with a sea separating us. No way will we or the EU let that happen.

Wales definitely take more than they pay. Scotland is a difficult one, but when the green revolution comes and the oil drilling stops then they will be firmly taking too.

They would be an independent nation, dictating their own fate. Once 'divorced' the influence of London and the UK over Scotland would be no more than the influence over say Norway or Iceland, i.e none.  The EU would gladly have them in, Scotland especially if only from a military strategic position.  Independent of the Union, Scotland would have to apply as per Article 49 with the requirements that they meet the Copenhagen criteria, which they would as a former member of the EU (under the UK umbrella).

Don't see how the borders would be an issue to be honest.  The only opposition I can imagine would be from the likes of Spain as they've got their own internal issues with separatist movements, but as long as the separation from London was legal it would go through smoothly.  

Quoted from Civvy at last

They had a 9000 sell out on Boxing Day !!
I know there are arguments as to wether they should be in an ‘English’ league. And the same for Swansea I guess.
But playing behind closed doors whilst all your opponents don’t have to doesn’t seem right to me.

Having a different transfer window to the rest of the division is ridiculously harsh on them too. However, on the other hand they've got players on annual wages that are getting on for half of entire squads in this division and their owners have global reach and resources beyond the wildest dreams of all other clubs in the Conference so fuck 'em.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

It’s a shame we don’t have a Prime Minister who prioritises protecting the NHS and key public services ahead of protecting himself, those in his inner circle & having to worry about the nutters in his party from sending letters in to Graham Brady & finishing him off.

At times of crisis you need a leader who does the right thing ahead of making himself popular or making decisions based on being re-elected in the future by pandering to the anti-everything mob.

If it was Drakeford or Johnson give me Drakeford everytime.

Which part of banning football fans from attending a game in an open air stadium but allowing them to gather together indoors to stream it instead would you describe as ‘doing the right thing’?

It’s utter lunacy for a variant that so far has caused a decline in deaths and hospitalisations?

Sounds a lot to me that Drakeford (and others) are jumping the gun to save their own backsides just in case, at the detriment to the rest of the population and without much logic to it.

Quoted from pontoonlew

Which part of banning football fans from attending a game in an open air stadium but allowing them to gather together indoors to stream it instead would you describe as ‘doing the right thing’?

It’s utter lunacy for a variant that so far has caused a decline in deaths and hospitalisations?

Sounds a lot to me that Drakeford (and others) are jumping the gun to save their own backsides just in case, at the detriment to the rest of the population and without much logic to it.

It’s so far from concerns about public safety now and all about one up man ship  to further one’s own career, if it was ever about public safety…

Quoted from diehardmariner

They would be an independent nation, dictating their own fate. Once 'divorced' the influence of London and the UK over Scotland would be no more than the influence over say Norway or Iceland, i.e none.  The EU would gladly have them in, Scotland especially if only from a military strategic position.  Independent of the Union, Scotland would have to apply as per Article 49 with the requirements that they meet the Copenhagen criteria, which they would as a former member of the EU (under the UK umbrella).

Don't see how the borders would be an issue to be honest.  The only opposition I can imagine would be from the likes of Spain as they've got their own internal issues with separatist movements, but as long as the separation from London was legal it would go through smoothly.  

Would the EU gladly have them seeing as they will likely be a net receiver rather than a net contributor to EU funds?

Seeing as how much bother there is regarding the Irish border purely because of the Good Friday Agreement that the border has remained open I very much doubt the EU would allow an open border between England and Scotland.

Quoted from Civvy at last

They had a 9000 sell out on Boxing Day !!
I know there are arguments as to wether they should be in an ‘English’ league. And the same for Swansea I guess.
But playing behind closed doors whilst all your opponents don’t have to doesn’t seem right to me.

So Cardiff are OK then?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

It’s a shame we don’t have a Prime Minister who prioritises protecting the NHS and key public services ahead of protecting himself, those in his inner circle & having to worry about the nutters in his party from sending letters in to Graham Brady & finishing him off.

At times of crisis you need a leader who does the right thing ahead of making himself popular or making decisions based on being re-elected in the future by pandering to the anti-everything mob.

If it was Drakeford or Johnson give me Drakeford everytime.

They're all tyrants, the lot of them worldwide, with few exceptions. Covid's weakened to become a cold, no more no less. Chance for wholesale acquired immunity and the end of the pandemic, yet they're determined to keep the fear and control going. Now Omicron is here and Delta is on the wane and disappearing, fook the politicians, fook big pharma and fook the MSM..And fook the Covid lemmings.. "You don't believe you've been brainwashed and lied to because you've been lied to and brainwashed"

Start reading and researching, arm and educate yourself with facts..

Quoted from Bigdog

They're all tyrants, the lot of them worldwide, with few exceptions. Covid's weakened to become a cold, no more no less. Chance for wholesale acquired immunity and the end of the pandemic, yet they're determined to keep the fear and control going. Now Omicron is here and Delta is on the wane and disappearing, fook the politicians, fook big pharma and fook the MSM..And fook the Covid lemmings.. "You don't believe you've been brainwashed and lied to because you've been lied to and brainwashed"

Start reading and researching, arm and educate yourself with facts..

Spot on...real world data is proving Omicron is far more transmissible yet those infected are presenting with symptoms no worse than a strong cold!
Plus the majority of those in hospital have contracted the disesse through nonsomical transmission.
As for Drakeford and Jimmy Cranky, both have gone power mad with Covid and are relishing the limelight it affords them!.. Johnson's got his cabinet on his back and actually shown some backbone and not bowed to the hysterical modelling from the idiots like Ferguson, Guptra and Pagel!!.

I hear a lot from, generally, divs about governments using the pandemic to “control” everyone. What does that actually mean though, relative to how much of your life is already controlled by the state?

Like, what’s the end goal from telling people to wear a mask (but being unable to police it, and with the maximum sentence being a fine)? How is that any more invasive than the well documented surveillance apparatus that monitors almost every second of your day, all your communications & all your movements? Or the fact that state bodies have recently been given legal authority to kill, torture or rape members of the public when they see fit? Or the fact that protest in this country has now been made illegal?

I’ve ignored most of the noise around this issue because it’s just boring. It’s mainly a load of boomer Facebook meme shíte from people who’ve had everything go their way their whole lives, and have lost their minds the second they’ve been in inconvenienced in a minor way. But all this “control” discussion is borderline offensive given that it comes from people who’ve usually said zero about the actual erosion of civil liberties in this country.

Quoted from ska face

I hear a lot from, generally, divs about governments using the pandemic to “control” everyone. What does that actually mean though, relative to how much of your life is already controlled by the state?

Like, what’s the end goal from telling people to wear a mask (but being unable to police it, and with the maximum sentence being a fine)? How is that any more invasive than the well documented surveillance apparatus that monitors almost every second of your day, all your communications & all your movements? Or the fact that state bodies have recently been given legal authority to kill, torture or rape members of the public when they see fit? Or the fact that protest in this country has now been made illegal?

I’ve ignored most of the noise around this issue because it’s just boring. It’s mainly a load of boomer Facebook meme shíte from people who’ve had everything go their way their whole lives, and have lost their minds the second they’ve been in inconvenienced in a minor way. But all this “control” discussion is borderline offensive given that it comes from people who’ve usually said zero about the actual erosion of civil liberties in this country.

Spot on

Quoted from Bigdog

They're all tyrants, the lot of them worldwide, with few exceptions. Covid's weakened to become a cold, no more no less. Chance for wholesale acquired immunity and the end of the pandemic, yet they're determined to keep the fear and control going. Now Omicron is here and Delta is on the wane and disappearing, fook the politicians, fook big pharma and fook the MSM..And fook the Covid lemmings.. "You don't believe you've been brainwashed and lied to because you've been lied to and brainwashed"

Start reading and researching, arm and educate yourself with facts..

Haven’t you got a David Icke/Matt Le Tissier video to watch?

“Educate yourself” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Quoted from ska face

I hear a lot from, generally, divs about governments using the pandemic to “control” everyone. What does that actually mean though, relative to how much of your life is already controlled by the state?

Like, what’s the end goal from telling people to wear a mask (but being unable to police it, and with the maximum sentence being a fine)? How is that any more invasive than the well documented surveillance apparatus that monitors almost every second of your day, all your communications & all your movements? Or the fact that state bodies have recently been given legal authority to kill, torture or rape members of the public when they see fit? Or the fact that protest in this country has now been made illegal?

I’ve ignored most of the noise around this issue because it’s just boring. It’s mainly a load of boomer Facebook meme shíte from people who’ve had everything go their way their whole lives, and have lost their minds the second they’ve been in inconvenienced in a minor way. But all this “control” discussion is borderline offensive given that it comes from people who’ve usually said zero about the actual erosion of civil liberties in this country.

Almost right. Not the boomer bit though. Most boomers are vaxxed up and playing it safe because they realise they are more vulnerable. It seems to be more younger people < 50 who have joined the tinfoil hat Brigade on this one particular issue.

Quoted from Maringer

Drakeford is a former Professor of Social Policy who has a good grasp of public health issues and is highly respected in Wales.

Johnson is a former journalist, known for his laziness, dishonesty and willingness to say anything which will benefit him, regardless of the wider consequences. Nobody believes a word he says.

I know which one I'd prefer to see directing public policy.

Good post that seems to have been tactically skimmed over by some. Fully agree.

Quoted from Bigdog

They're all tyrants, the lot of them worldwide, with few exceptions. Covid's weakened to become a cold, no more no less. Chance for wholesale acquired immunity and the end of the pandemic, yet they're determined to keep the fear and control going. Now Omicron is here and Delta is on the wane and disappearing, fook the politicians, fook big pharma and fook the MSM..And fook the Covid lemmings.. "You don't believe you've been brainwashed and lied to because you've been lied to and brainwashed"

Start reading and researching, arm and educate yourself with facts..

You actually make a good point. But unintentionally.

Maybe it is time to return to normal so that people like yourself can start to get some stability back in their lives and seek access to the help that they quite obviously require.

Quoted from ska face

I hear a lot from, generally, divs about governments using the pandemic to “control” everyone. What does that actually mean though, relative to how much of your life is already controlled by the state?

Like, what’s the end goal from telling people to wear a mask (but being unable to police it, and with the maximum sentence being a fine)? How is that any more invasive than the well documented surveillance apparatus that monitors almost every second of your day, all your communications & all your movements? Or the fact that state bodies have recently been given legal authority to kill, torture or rape members of the public when they see fit? Or the fact that protest in this country has now been made illegal?

I’ve ignored most of the noise around this issue because it’s just boring. It’s mainly a load of boomer Facebook meme shíte from people who’ve had everything go their way their whole lives, and have lost their minds the second they’ve been in inconvenienced in a minor way. But all this “control” discussion is borderline offensive given that it comes from people who’ve usually said zero about the actual erosion of civil liberties in this country.

Re the bold print, proof please.

Quoted from 123614

Re the bold print, proof please.

https://www.humanrightspulse.c.....le-of-law?format=amp

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/.....legislation-ive-seen


So your kids could be raped or murdered by a member of the Food Standards Agency, who would be completely immune from any comeback, if they could justify it on the grounds of maintaining “public order” or “economic prosperity”.

What a country.

Quoted from ska face

So your kids could be raped or murdered by a member of the Food Standards Agency, who would be completely immune from any comeback, if they could justify it on the grounds of maintaining “public order” or “economic prosperity”.

I’ll be honest, I read the first few posts of this thread earlier on then thought I’d skip right to the end just now.

I wasn’t expecting this.

It descended quickly following a discussion about Persian Zoroastrian burial rituals on page 2

Surprised they havnt suggested flying the teams over to LA to play while they can't play to a crowd.

as ive said b4 my pal is a wrexham fan
and today he told me notts forrest are lining up
a bid for mullin
manager says not for sale on a 3year contract
they will be goal shy without him

Quoted from diehardmariner

They would be an independent nation, dictating their own fate. Once 'divorced' the influence of London and the UK over Scotland would be no more than the influence over say Norway or Iceland, i.e none.  The EU would gladly have them in, Scotland especially if only from a military strategic position.  Independent of the Union, Scotland would have to apply as per Article 49 with the requirements that they meet the Copenhagen criteria, which they would as a former member of the EU (under the UK umbrella).

Don't see how the borders would be an issue to be honest.  The only opposition I can imagine would be from the likes of Spain as they've got their own internal issues with separatist movements, but as long as the separation from London was legal it would go through smoothly.  

The last thing the EU needs is another economic white elephant, look at Sturgeons economic policies and GDP.

That Drakeford is an idiot and needs removing.

Quoted from ska face

It descended quickly following a discussion about Persian Zoroastrian burial rituals on page 2

Not again. Can’t we have a sticky for that subject 😁