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Hurst still expects the Stockport game to go ahead though.

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Might as well play it, even if it means putting the youth team in, if it gets McAtee back a game quicker
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Let's hope those affected are double vaxxed or they could be out for yonks.
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Might as well play it, even if it means putting the youth team in, if it gets McAtee back a game quicker


Just what I was thinking. If the game is called off (which will probably mean we forfeit the tie) it'll mean an extra game on the sidelines for McAtee. The result of this game isn't massively over important, so just play the youths if we have to. Not too sure what we'll do about Tuesday's game though.


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Likely to be the last game for a couple of months, I expect. All the players ought to come through it fine without any lasting issues but it's going to be all but impossible to train properly when it really hits.
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Likely to be the last game for a couple of months, I expect. All the players ought to come through it fine without any lasting issues but it's going to be all but impossible to train properly when it really hits.


Two issues bang on the horizon; firstly the obvious ones of squads becoming overrun with Covid so that games physically cannot be staged. The second one, more pertinent to our level, is the prospect of playing behind closed doors once again - can the National League do that financially?

I do think we’ll emerge from this wave more quickly and more emphatically than we have previous ones, so I don’t see another long-term period whereby games would have to be staged without fans. But, logistically speaking, can you pause the season for a couple of months? It certainly won’t work at the top-level in what is a World Cup year next year, albeit in December.


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Likely to be the last game for a couple of months, I expect. All the players ought to come through it fine without any lasting issues but it's going to be all but impossible to train properly when it really hits.


Absolute nonsense, we've got vaccines and boosters.


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Absolute nonsense, we've got vaccines and boosters.


Yes but no compulsion to have them.


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Yes but no compulsion to have them.


Oh obviously, but I'd rather we didn't shutdown society again just to cater to a small subset of the population who are too stubborn to follow the scientific and medical consensus on vaccinations. If it keeps pubs open and football going i'm fully onboard the vaccination passport bandwagon.


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Oh obviously, but I'd rather we didn't shutdown society again just to cater to a small subset of the population who are too stubborn to follow the scientific and medical consensus on vaccinations. If it keeps pubs open and football going i'm fully onboard the vaccination passport bandwagon.


I think there are a hell of a lot of things far for important that pubs and football don't you

Personally I think all pubs, clubs, restaurants and football should be shutdown asap irrespective of peoples vaccination status but sadly the economy and Christmas festivities are clearly more important to Fat twit Boris (and many of those (currently) apparently fit and well who believe themselves fireproof) than the health of the majority of the population


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I think there are a hell of a lot of things far for important that pubs and football don't you

Personally I think all pubs, clubs, restaurants and football should be shutdown asap irrespective of peoples vaccination status but sadly the economy and Christmas festivities are clearly more important to Fat twit Boris (and many of those (currently) apparently fit and well who believe themselves fireproof) than the health of the majority of the population


I disagree . This could go on forever . Get vaxed, live with it and limit your personal risk if you are not comfortable
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I agree Swin, but as Chrisb said, we’ve got the tools now. Vaccines and vaccine passports if there’s the political will. If you haven’t got the vaccine passport, you don’t coming in.

The same folk whinging about vaccine passports are pretty much the same ones who don’t want any restrictions on the economy. So we can kill two birds with one stone. Keep a semblance of economic and cultural activity, whilst minimising risk.


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Quoted from Chrisblor


Oh obviously, but I'd rather we didn't shutdown society again just to cater to a small subset of the population who are too stubborn to follow the scientific and medical consensus on vaccinations. If it keeps pubs open and football going i'm fully onboard the vaccination passport bandwagon.


You do realise even with vaccines and boosters, lock downs will still occur. New strains will appear all the time and its fairly evident that just having vaccines and boosters will not stop the spread. Just look at how many cases occurred in 1 day yesterday (78,000). If your assumptions that the unvaccinated are "A small subset of the population " then why are so many getting covid. Simple, vaccines will only limit possibly being hospitalised. So, if we are seeing the huge numbers of cases, and the government expect unprecedented numbers to follow. It begs the question. If the unvaccinated are a small subset of the population, and the majority are vaccinated, and not even this large majority will stop the unprecedented numbers to follow, why is it not up to someone whether they are vaccinated or not? Clearly the small number of unvaccinated are not contributing to the increase in numbers, its more likely the vaccinated are by thinking they are immune or safe to congregate with other vaccinated.

As for covid passports. They don't really make any difference as you can supply negative flow tests.

There's a trending video going round tik tok in which a funeral director in Mansfield was saying he's getting body after body who died due to complications of blood clots... all were vaccinated. He even tried to report this but was ignored... he's well documented. So if that is the case, and many, many cases of vaccine deaths are being censored, I think its safe to say its completely up to the individual whether they want a vaccine or not. I'm sure some will dismiss this fact, but that's what it comes down it.


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Absolute nonsense, we've got vaccines and boosters.


I'd be surprised if many of our players had received their boosters yet. In addition to this, early data shows efficacy against infection is approximately 70% if you're 'boosted', down to about 30% if just double-vaccinated so that would still be a lot of the squad vulnerable to infection (though they shouldn't get too ill). It takes a week for any protection to kick in from the booster and gets strongest from about 2 weeks onwards. Lots of chances for infection there. I suppose the past and relatively recent cases in the squad should give some protection as well.

Regardless, it's likely to be the general situation which leads to suspension of play - unless the vaccines end up working better than expected. Not holding my breath on that.
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I'd be surprised if many of our players had received their boosters yet. In addition to this, early data shows efficacy against infection is approximately 70% if you're 'boosted', down to about 30% if just double-vaccinated so that would still be a lot of the squad vulnerable to infection (though they shouldn't get too ill). It takes a week for any protection to kick in from the booster and gets strongest from about 2 weeks onwards. Lots of chances for infection there. I suppose the past and relatively recent cases in the squad should give some protection as well.

Regardless, it's likely to be the general situation which leads to suspension of play - unless the vaccines end up working better than expected. Not holding my breath on that.


sadly agree

im going to enjoy myself over Christmas sensibly, as i feel in the new year, we'll be locked down with nothing to do and nowhere to go again
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I'd be surprised if many of our players had received their boosters yet. In addition to this, early data shows efficacy against infection is approximately 70% if you're 'boosted', down to about 30% if just double-vaccinated so that would still be a lot of the squad vulnerable to infection (though they shouldn't get too ill). It takes a week for any protection to kick in from the booster and gets strongest from about 2 weeks onwards. Lots of chances for infection there. I suppose the past and relatively recent cases in the squad should give some protection as well.

Regardless, it's likely to be the general situation which leads to suspension of play - unless the vaccines end up working better than expected. Not holding my breath on that.


So your last paragraph would imply that vaccines aren’t the answer then, even though we were told they were.

It’s a flipping mess and nobody really has a clue about any of it anymore because there’s so much bullshit you can’t sift through properly and get any real answers. We’ve governments paying news agencies to publish ‘pro vaccine’ stories, our own lying through its back teethe and lining the pocket of any chums they can find, countries shutting things to everyone even though they had covid type passports, doom merchants and the extremes the other way.

At what point do we stop and just realise these things never go away and we go about our lives? This stop start approach can’t be sustained or practical.

As for town, just play the game, get it out the way. I didn’t realise it counted towards one of Mcatee’s games though…great if it does.


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I agree with Swin, but this virus is gonna be here forever, so lets just accept it as a bug and get on with our lives. idiots in supermarkets still dont wear masks and i feel really peeved about it. So we all may as well give up, carry on with life as normal, and let the dustbin men sweep up the dead bodies around the streets. It will never end, accept life as it is, Xmas will still go ahead with big parties and new year, this variant is a big spreader, i for one would accept lockdown again, but youths and yobs rule the world presently, think they know better. I still treat it seriously, shame others dont.
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You do realise even with vaccines and boosters, lock downs will still occur. New strains will appear all the time and its fairly evident that just having vaccines and boosters will not stop the spread. Just look at how many cases occurred in 1 day yesterday (78,000). If your assumptions that the unvaccinated are "A small subset of the population " then why are so many getting covid. Simple, vaccines will only limit possibly being hospitalised. So, if we are seeing the huge numbers of cases, and the government expect unprecedented numbers to follow. It begs the question. If the unvaccinated are a small subset of the population, and the majority are vaccinated, and not even this large majority will stop the unprecedented numbers to follow, why is it not up to someone whether they are vaccinated or not? Clearly the small number of unvaccinated are not contributing to the increase in numbers, its more likely the vaccinated are by thinking they are immune or safe to congregate with other vaccinated.

As for covid passports. They don't really make any difference as you can supply negative flow tests.

There's a trending video going round tik tok in which a funeral director in Mansfield was saying he's getting body after body who died due to complications of blood clots... all were vaccinated. He even tried to report this but was ignored... he's well documented. So if that is the case, and many, many cases of vaccine deaths are being censored, I think its safe to say its completely up to the individual whether they want a vaccine or not. I'm sure some will dismiss this fact, but that's what it comes down it.


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I agree with Swin, but this virus is gonna be here forever, so lets just accept it as a bug and get on with our lives. idiots in supermarkets still dont wear masks and i feel really peeved about it. So we all may as well give up, carry on with life as normal, and let the dustbin men sweep up the dead bodies around the streets. It will never end, accept life as it is, Xmas will still go ahead with big parties and new year, this variant is a big spreader, i for one would accept lockdown again, but youths and yobs rule the world presently, think they know better. I still treat it seriously, shame others dont.


Interesting that you assume youths and yobs…the only folk I’ve heard moaning so far about this made up Christmas ban is middle aged folk who have family gatherings and the like. The only people at work who moaned about the cancelled Christmas do were the older staff…

Cracking but if comedy mentioning the bodies piling up though…


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Oh obviously, but I'd rather we didn't shutdown society again just to cater to a small subset of the population who are too stubborn to follow the scientific and medical consensus on vaccinations. If it keeps pubs open and football going i'm fully onboard the vaccination passport bandwagon.

Problem is it's mainly the vaccinated & boosted catching it not the unvaxxed & that's a fact .. p.s i'm triple jabbed but just speaking the truth , 15 off work with it at least 11 all ad at least two jabs
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So your last paragraph would imply that vaccines aren’t the answer then, even though we were told they were.

It’s a flipping mess and nobody really has a clue about any of it anymore because there’s so much bullshit you can’t sift through properly and get any real answers. We’ve governments paying news agencies to publish ‘pro vaccine’ stories, our own lying through its back teethe and lining the pocket of any chums they can find, countries shutting things to everyone even though they had covid type passports, doom merchants and the extremes the other way.

At what point do we stop and just realise these things never go away and we go about our lives? This stop start approach can’t be sustained or practical.

As for town, just play the game, get it out the way. I didn’t realise it counted towards one of Mcatee’s games though…great if it does.


I agree with you to a large degree, but cases are clearly rocketing up at an alarming rate. We don't know if Omicron is milder or more severe because it hasn't been around long enough and we're not comparing the same situation as when Delta cam along and nobody had any immunity whatsoever. Until we know what Omicron looks like in terms of hospitalisation and deaths, it would make sense to minimise the spread whilst we can get some data. But having a lockdown is so unpopular, particularly with the governments antics last year that we're in a tough situation. Nobody wants to lose another Christmas either.

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Problem is it's mainly the vaccinated & boosted catching it not the unvaxxed & that's a fact .. p.s i'm triple jabbed but just speaking the truth , 15 off work with it at least 11 all ad at least two jabs


Well yes, but they make up nearly 90% of the population, so it's not exactly a balanced fact. I think if you take it as a ratio, then that's not actually true. But vaccines aren't stopping people catching it or spreading it because if they were then it'd be gone in this country by now.
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You do realise even with vaccines and boosters, lock downs will still occur. New strains will appear all the time and its fairly evident that just having vaccines and boosters will not stop the spread. Just look at how many cases occurred in 1 day yesterday (78,000). If your assumptions that the unvaccinated are "A small subset of the population " then why are so many getting covid. Simple, vaccines will only limit possibly being hospitalised. So, if we are seeing the huge numbers of cases, and the government expect unprecedented numbers to follow. It begs the question. If the unvaccinated are a small subset of the population, and the majority are vaccinated, and not even this large majority will stop the unprecedented numbers to follow, why is it not up to someone whether they are vaccinated or not? Clearly the small number of unvaccinated are not contributing to the increase in numbers, its more likely the vaccinated are by thinking they are immune or safe to congregate with other vaccinated.

As for covid passports. They don't really make any difference as you can supply negative flow tests.

There's a trending video going round tik tok in which a funeral director in Mansfield was saying he's getting body after body who died due to complications of blood clots... all were vaccinated. He even tried to report this but was ignored... he's well documented. So if that is the case, and many, many cases of vaccine deaths are being censored, I think its safe to say its completely up to the individual whether they want a vaccine or not. I'm sure some will dismiss this fact, but that's what it comes down it.


Sorry, but most of that is nonsense.  Yes the vaccinated will still catch it, but its cutting down the risk of hospitalisation and death that is key.   I posted this on another thread, but last week we had 60,000 in one day and 120 deaths.  One day in January this year before anybody had been vaccinated we had 60000 cases with 1200 deaths !!!!   It's very simple maths.
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I agree with you to a large degree, but cases are clearly rocketing up at an alarming rate. We don't know if Omicron is milder or more severe because it hasn't been around long enough and we're not comparing the same situation as when Delta cam along and nobody had any immunity whatsoever. Until we know what Omicron looks like in terms of hospitalisation and deaths, it would make sense to minimise the spread whilst we can get some data. But having a lockdown is so unpopular, particularly with the governments antics last year that we're in a tough situation. Nobody wants to lose another Christmas either.



It seems a lot like some people do desperately want an Xmas lockdown though doesn’t it? Some people appear to be enjoying it if anything.

The early data from South Africa looks very good on deaths, they’ve absolutely plummeted and continue to do so. Hopefully we can go the same way, although some people appear to prefer the option of hiding in their homes, which they’re fully entitled to do.
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Oh obviously, but I'd rather we didn't shutdown society again just to cater to a small subset of the population who are too stubborn to follow the scientific and medical consensus on vaccinations. If it keeps pubs open and football going i'm fully onboard the vaccination passport bandwagon.


I agree but some don't see the bigger picture, as outlined on another thread.


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You do realise even with vaccines and boosters, lock downs will still occur. New strains will appear all the time and its fairly evident that just having vaccines and boosters will not stop the spread. Just look at how many cases occurred in 1 day yesterday (78,000). If your assumptions that the unvaccinated are "A small subset of the population " then why are so many getting covid. Simple, vaccines will only limit possibly being hospitalised. So, if we are seeing the huge numbers of cases, and the government expect unprecedented numbers to follow. It begs the question. If the unvaccinated are a small subset of the population, and the majority are vaccinated, and not even this large majority will stop the unprecedented numbers to follow, why is it not up to someone whether they are vaccinated or not? Clearly the small number of unvaccinated are not contributing to the increase in numbers, its more likely the vaccinated are by thinking they are immune or safe to congregate with other vaccinated.

As for covid passports. They don't really make any difference as you can supply negative flow tests.

There's a trending video going round tik tok in which a funeral director in Mansfield was saying he's getting body after body who died due to complications of blood clots... all were vaccinated. He even tried to report this but was ignored... he's well documented. So if that is the case, and many, many cases of vaccine deaths are being censored, I think its safe to say its completely up to the individual whether they want a vaccine or not. I'm sure some will dismiss this fact, but that's what it comes down it.


Why are the numbers so high now when so many are vaccinated? Because the vaccines have lifespans hence there being a massive push to get booster jabs.

Shouldn't it be a person's choice about whether they get vaccinated or not? Of course it should, but they can't expect to get into events and places that require COVID passes if they aren't vaccinated.

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Absolute nonsense, we've got vaccines and boosters.


There's no way boosters can be delivered fast enough to cope with the rate of growth with this variant.

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Problem is it's mainly the vaccinated & boosted catching it not the unvaxxed & that's a fact .. p.s i'm triple jabbed but just speaking the truth , 15 off work with it at least 11 all ad at least two jabs

That is a blow I agree The only good thing is that those who deliberately choose to remain unvaccinated and/or refuse to wear a mask (both without good reason) might get a more severe dose


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Problem is it's mainly the vaccinated & boosted catching it not the unvaxxed & that's a fact .. p.s i'm triple jabbed but just speaking the truth , 15 off work with it at least 11 all ad at least two jabs


That is a blow I agree The only good thing is that those who deliberately choose to remain unvaccinated and/or refuse to wear a mask (both without good reason) might get a more severe dose


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I may be deluded but i like to think we can get through this withiut a full lockdown where you arent allowed to travel etc and must stay at home.

Of course I appreciate cases are rocketing and will do for a while but Chris Whitty said today that cases are likely to peak very high but quickly, and that cases after this will start to drop, we just need to ride it out until we peak.

Boosters shoukd help also.
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This sort of data has been accessible for a number of days, the media were just too caught up in the glee of reporting doom to bother reporting on it
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Problem is it's mainly the vaccinated & boosted catching it not the unvaxxed & that's a fact .. p.s i'm triple jabbed but just speaking the truth , 15 off work with it at least 11 all ad at least two jabs


It’s mainly the vaccinated GETTING ILL because they’re more likely to be older and at higher risk. Risk of getting I’ll doubles for every seven years of age.

The other unvaccinated catch it as well. Yeah f you g they’re less likely to show symptoms, think they’re alright and pass it on to others.

No reason not to get vaccinated for most people. Just fcuking get it done. Safer than most of the stuff people are prepared to shovel down their throats.


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No reason not to get vaccinated for most people. Just fcuking get it done. Safer than most of the stuff people are prepared to shovel down their throats.


Wow, just wow


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Wow, just wow


What's more "wow" for me are that there are people out there who trust doctors and scientists less than they trust drug dealers and tobacco companies.


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Why are the numbers so high now when so many are vaccinated? Because the vaccines have lifespans hence there being a massive push to get booster jabs.

Shouldn't it be a person's choice about whether they get vaccinated or not? Of course it should, but they can't expect to get into events and places that require COVID passes if they aren't vaccinated.

Next.


How many more times does it have to be pointed out that having the vaccine does not stop you getting infected and nobody ever claimed that it did.

It's not that difficult to grasp why we are being asked to have the vaccine, surely?

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What's more "wow" for me are that there are people out there who trust doctors and scientists less than they trust drug dealers and tobacco companies.


Exactly.

I know of a couple of anti vaccine types who take cocaine regularly at weekends and seem to live on frozen pizzas and booze.
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Exactly.

I know of a couple of anti vaccine types who take cocaine regularly at weekends and seem to live on frozen pizzas and booze.

I know of people that still don't believe Covid even exists, how mad is that.



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About time clubs started asking for proof of vaccination from all their brain dead unvaxxed players. Failure to comply should result in unpaid leave for six months, employment termination thereafter. How else do you make these infantile, gullible players see sense?

And why the feck should fans at games with 10k+ attendances have to provide proof of vaccination if the players who share changing rooms, coaches, dining tables, hotels, etc...etc...not have to bother?
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I think they do it- ie believe the conspiracys- because they love to feel different

Stop being selfish, get the flipping vaccine
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Quoted from Withnail
About time clubs started asking for proof of vaccination on all their brain dead unvaxxed players. Failure to comply should result in unpaid leave for six months, employment termination thereafter. How else do you make these infantile, gullible players see sense?

And why the feck should fans at games with 10k+ attendances have to provide proof of vaccination if the players who share changing rooms, coaches, dining tables, hotels, etc...etc...not have to bother?


Not a bad attempt at a wind up.
Unpaid leave and termination ??
Like to see any club try and implement that.
Going beyond your brain dead comment what do you think their thought process is of not taking vaccination?






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Likely to be the last game for a couple of months, I expect. All the players ought to come through it fine without any lasting issues but it's going to be all but impossible to train properly when it really hits.


Really?


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Wow, just wow


Durr, just, durr


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How many more times does it have to be pointed out that having the vaccine does not stop you getting infected and nobody ever claimed that it did.

It's not that difficult to grasp why we are being asked to have the vaccine, surely?



So very true. A simple analogy is the fitting of seat belts in cars. They are a legal requirement as indeed is their use yet it has never been claimed they will prevent you having a driving accident or getting injured. But they will greatly reduce the chance of you getting seriously injured.


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So your last paragraph would imply that vaccines aren’t the answer then, even though we were told they were.

It’s a flipping mess and nobody really has a clue about any of it anymore because there’s so much bullshit you can’t sift through properly and get any real answers. We’ve governments paying news agencies to publish ‘pro vaccine’ stories, our own lying through its back teethe and lining the pocket of any chums they can find, countries shutting things to everyone even though they had covid type passports, doom merchants and the extremes the other way.

At what point do we stop and just realise these things never go away and we go about our lives? This stop start approach can’t be sustained or practical.

As for town, just play the game, get it out the way. I didn’t realise it counted towards one of Mcatee’s games though…great if it does.


The vaccines will save tens of thousands of lives in this country during the next few months. That's a plus, I think you'll agree. We're going to be seeing millions of Omicron cases but, with a bit of luck, we'll see fewer than the 80,000 or so deaths during the Alpha wave - which will be entirely down to the vaccines.

Your problem is that you're still assuming this virus is the same as the one which started it all off in January 2020. It is much, much, much (much) more infectious, can avoid some of the immunity built up during past waves and get past much of the immunity generated by the vaccine rollout. Alpha was much more infectious and deadly than the original virus. Delta was much more infectious than Alpha and this Omicron is just ludicrously infectious. We still don't know how dangerous it will be in a population the age of ours. When you've got the WHO, CDC, ECDC, UKHSE, SSI (in Denmark), the RKI (in Germany) and every other major health body stating that this variant is a game-changer, it's just amazing that people are still talking it down! Unless you've put on a tinfoil hat because you think it's all a global conspiracy, there is literally no way you can ignore all these cautionary voices.

As for footy, 6 Premier League matches cancelled this week already. I'd imagine this will increase over the next few days and play will be suspended before Christmas.
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Really?


Yep, I think so. Sounds odd but this thing is doubling in 2 days or less. It's why they are expecting over a million cases a day before Christmas. I know Johnson has said today that we aren't going to lockdown again (as an aside), but unfortunately, I think he'll have to change tack next week. I say unfortunately, because we should have taken measures a week or two ago to have a chance of keeping it anywhere near in check.

I tell you what, I'd love to be wrong about this and have to eat humble pie, but I think I'm pretty safe. Well, safe from the humble pie, not from becoming infected with Omicron.

It would be a very good time to stop doing risky things because getting good healthcare in the event of an accident is likely to become very difficult in a week or two.
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I'd be surprised if many of our players had received their boosters yet. In addition to this, early data shows efficacy against infection is approximately 70% if you're 'boosted', down to about 30% if just double-vaccinated so that would still be a lot of the squad vulnerable to infection (though they shouldn't get too ill). It takes a week for any protection to kick in from the booster and gets strongest from about 2 weeks onwards. Lots of chances for infection there. I suppose the past and relatively recent cases in the squad should give some protection as well. Regardless, it's likely to be the general situation which leads to suspension of play - unless the vaccines end up working better than expected. Not holding my breath on that.


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These figures are for vaccine uptake for the EFL, which will be reflected all the way down the pyramid, as footballers fall into a certain demographic. Basically a quarter of players are not intending to get the jab, and as of last month, 31% hadn't even had the first dose, so that will have a big impact on the game.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59686996
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The government emphasis is on covid, but I would like to see figures for how many people have FLU who have not been vaxed and how many have died, not to mention the number of new flu viruses.

Also how many people are ill or dying or have died with cancer, heart problems, etc. because they have not had any treatment due to covid cases in the hospitals. Covid is bad but after near on 2 years, it is moving into the flu category of yearly booster jabs.

I do feel sorry for anyone who has covid and did not have a jab, but this is their choice not to have the jab, so why should they take up hospital time and beds when they choose not to be protected. These beds could be used by those who have been double jabbed and boosted, or by patients with hospital needs other than covid.


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The government emphasis is on covid, but I would like to see figures for how many people have FLU who have not been vaxed and how many have died, not to mention the number of new flu viruses.

Also how many people are ill or dying or have died with cancer, heart problems, etc. because they have not had any treatment due to covid cases in the hospitals. Covid is bad but after near on 2 years, it is moving into the flu category of yearly booster jabs.

I do feel sorry for anyone who has covid and did not have a jab, but this is their choice not to have the jab, so why should they take up hospital time and beds when they choose not to be protected. These beds could be used by those who have been double jabbed and boosted, or by patients with hospital needs other than covid.


I’m sure you’ll get shot down or some sort of surly reply saying it’s impossible to compare etc but I have to agree and given that they’ve been recording deaths of covid for people who tested positive within 28 days of death, the numbers can’t be threaten entirely. I can test positive for covid today, see it off, then in first week of January get run over by a bus and it’s recorded as a covid death. Weird.

I know people have done their own research or have taken a keen interest, that’s their choice but throughout the whole ordeal it’s been clear that statistics and the like have been varied and presented in different ways to suit whichever agenda the government/a are pedalling at that time. Whitty gets trotted out as some expert but clearly toes the party line, again, bringing in to question some of his validity.

I know of two people who have had testament/operations cancelled because of covid, one of which was lucky that their illness didn’t develop, it could’ve done but thankfully didn’t. I’m not really sure simply using covid as an excuse to cancel treatments or operations is ok. It’s also not ok for the government to guilt people in to having a booster or indeed a vaccine, which is their choice by saying they’ll fundamentally be lending a hand to the cancellation of treatments etc.

It’s a mess and you simply can’t trust anything the government say. If I’m honest, the thing that’s appalls me the most is the level of cronyism that’s gone on and the country have seemingly done little to challenge or stop it. Literally billions of public monies in to the pockets of mates of tories is disgusting. They’ve taken the urine throughout yet push the guilt on to us and people fall for it…

Anyway, I hope we play and it’s another game home and Mcatee closer to playing again…


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I asked a friend of mine who is a nurse at the hospital about this covid thing and how bad it can be .. And she is not one to mince her words as some dr`s have found out at times .. We had a doubter wih us at the time and she said ,, its freeking horrible to see  struggling to breath  just for starters ,, and Do you realy think i would dress up like a spaceman for 12 hours  hot sweaty  sticky feeling penned in trying to save peoples lives  if it was not real  , Doubters should be able to come and see for themselves ..
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I asked a friend of mine who is a nurse at the hospital about this covid thing and how bad it can be .. And she is not one to mince her words as some dr`s have found out at times .. We had a doubter wih us at the time and she said ,, its freeking horrible to see  struggling to breath  just for starters ,, and Do you realy think i would dress up like a spaceman for 12 hours  hot sweaty  sticky feeling penned in trying to save peoples lives  if it was not real  , Doubters should be able to come and see for themselves ..


I’m not sure anyone is doubting it’s real, I appreciate there’s some whackadoodles that think it’s not real but just because someone believes, and understandably so, that governments are over egging it or doesn’t want a vaccine doesn’t make them deny it’s not real.

I guess for every story like this, there’s the opposite, I’ve spoken with nurses who mentioned empty wards and the like…

It’s nigh on impossible to trust anything published about covid and in truth it’s simply polarised society further, more than Brexit for instance…

Only this week they’ve introduced the whole ‘work from home if you can’ mantra, millions still physically going to work whilst some don’t, for some it isn’t an option and for those worried about covid it strives to only increase their anxieties.

It’s a mess that will never dissipate but polarising measures and a society turned against itself won’t enable any light at the end of the tunnel…


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I’m not sure anyone is doubting it’s real, I appreciate there’s some whackadoodles that think it’s not real but just because someone believes, and understandably so, that governments are over egging it or doesn’t want a vaccine doesn’t make them deny it’s not real.

I guess for every story like this, there’s the opposite, I’ve spoken with nurses who mentioned empty wards and the like…

It’s nigh on impossible to trust anything published about covid and in truth it’s simply polarised society further, more than Brexit for instance…

Only this week they’ve introduced the whole ‘work from home if you can’ mantra, millions still physically going to work whilst some don’t, for some it isn’t an option and for those worried about covid it strives to only increase their anxieties.

It’s a mess that will never dissipate but polarising measures and a society turned against itself won’t enable any light at the end of the tunnel…


That sir is a well ballanced reply . and yes there is alwase two sides to things .. I an fully jabed , not because i believe either way but because i am not going to take the risk,  being of senior years , and thats being polite to my self.
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I’m not sure anyone is doubting it’s real, I appreciate there’s some whackadoodles that think it’s not real but just because someone believes, and understandably so, that governments are over egging it or doesn’t want a vaccine doesn’t make them deny it’s not real.

I guess for every story like this, there’s the opposite, I’ve spoken with nurses who mentioned empty wards and the like…

It’s nigh on impossible to trust anything published about covid and in truth it’s simply polarised society further, more than Brexit for instance…

Only this week they’ve introduced the whole ‘work from home if you can’ mantra, millions still physically going to work whilst some don’t, for some it isn’t an option and for those worried about covid it strives to only increase their anxieties.

It’s a mess that will never dissipate but polarising measures and a society turned against itself won’t enable any light at the end of the tunnel…


It’s only going to get more divisive in the coming weeks as the data becomes nonsensical. Regardless of how serious or otherwise Omicron transpires to be in practice, there’s going to be a point in the near future where somewhere in the region of a quarter of the country has it at the same time.

That means there’s a 1 in 4 chance that anyone going into hospital and / or dying, be it from a heart attack, car crash, cancer or Covid, will appear in the statistics as being infected.

Expect to see some scary charts in the weeks ahead, but be sure to dig beyond the headlines for their deeper meaning.


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Ie it’s a load of hysterical nonsense.

Lets ruin the country’s economy just to be on the safe side though.


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One of the epidemiologists on twitter who posts commentary on the reports published mentioned that we are likely to exceed testing capacity around the middle of next week. Testing capacity is 800,000, give or take a bit. We'll almost certainly see advice that there is no longer any requirement for a confirmatory PCR test following a positive lateral flow test. You almost no false positives with the LFTs, so there's no point in 'wasting' a PCR.

We'll probably only be able to have some sort of an idea of the prevalence over the course of a month or so through the seroprevalence surveys the government carries out.
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You can bet your bottom dollar nobody will pay attention to what you've said because it doesn't fit their 'war effort' narrative. At best you can expect ignorance, more likely prejudice though.


To be honest, it's to be expected. It's basic psychology.  The more you fear, the more you look at ways for security. To some people, they discard facts on the dangers of the vaccine as they only want to quell the fear.
You only have to look at the promises that have been consistently broken
"Covid passports will never be a thing"
"You will only need one vaccination"
"Vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalised " ( This has already been proven false by many Doctors, nurses and other professionals )

Another danger we are seeing is some form of witch hunt against unvaccinated. Regardless to the reason for not being vaccinated it's becoming apparent that some are forming hate speech against the unvaccinated, and saying things like " it's their fault if they die" or "unvaccinated shouldn't be given healthcare or benefits". This is basically how hitler got Germany to hate the Jews... segregate a nation and make the segreated minority look as though they are vermin... And before you say that's ridiculous to compare. I'm not talking about necessary violence,  more the mentality side of things.

Of course, the other issue is that the majority of nurses are unvaccinated ( hmm I wonder why?) And they are part of this directed hatred. Yet last year most people were clapping them and thanking them for saving lives...

It just amazes me how poisonous humanity can be sometimes and people really should use this opportunity to look at themselves and ask " How did I react to my fellow person during the pandemic"...


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Unvaccinated people being compared with Jews in Nazi Germany.

That’s quite enough Fashy Fishy for me today. Toodle pip.
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I had pulmonary embolisms after my first two which nearly finished me but I still had my booster. So far so good. Those that don't get vaccinated can make as many excuses as they wish but are putting the greater population at risk with their selfishness. Bring on vaccine passports etc and make the unvaccinated pay for their choice
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To be honest, it's to be expected. It's basic psychology.  The more you fear, the more you look at ways for security. To some people, they discard facts on the dangers of the vaccine as they only want to quell the fear.
You only have to look at the promises that have been consistently broken
"Covid passports will never be a thing"
"You will only need one vaccination"
"Vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalised " ( This has already been proven false by many Doctors, nurses and other professionals )

Another danger we are seeing is some form of witch hunt against unvaccinated. Regardless to the reason for not being vaccinated it's becoming apparent that some are forming hate speech against the unvaccinated, and saying things like " it's their fault if they die" or "unvaccinated shouldn't be given healthcare or benefits". This is basically how hitler got Germany to hate the Jews... segregate a nation and make the segreated minority look as though they are vermin... And before you say that's ridiculous to compare. I'm not talking about necessary violence,  more the mentality side of things.

Of course, the other issue is that the majority of nurses are unvaccinated ( hmm I wonder why?) And they are part of this directed hatred. Yet last year most people were clapping them and thanking them for saving lives...

It just amazes me how poisonous humanity can be sometimes and people really should use this opportunity to look at themselves and ask " How did I react to my fellow person during the pandemic"...


As a student doing a degree in Psychology and Criminology I whole heartedly agree with you. The hate speech is particularly worrying, divide and conquer at its finest. Cognitive dissonance is absolutely rife in this thread and the other thread never mind some of the stuff I'm seeing on social media.


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As a student doing a degree in Psychology and Criminology I whole heartedly agree with you. The hate speech is particularly worrying, divide and conquer at its finest. Cognitive dissonance is absolutely rife in this thread and the other thread never mind some of the stuff I'm seeing on social media.


The rhetoric used throughout has been abhorrent and those that have preached the whole ‘be kind’ thing have then lambasted those making their own decisions. The notion that unvaccinated people are the problem is divisive and has served to merely divide the population and then guilt trip or bully people in to having a vaccine. Not everyone refusing or not wanting it is an anti/vaxxer but again, that’s been the implied idea.

Covid has shown both the worst and best in people, sadly, with governments using quite strong and coercive language, varied methods of presenting data and at times that ridiculous ‘war time mentality’ notion it has just polarised society. Those that have taken a keen interest are being mocked, those that couldn’t care less have been called churlish or immature, and then everyone else is stuck in the middle, simply wanting to carry on with their lives…

It’s a mess…


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The rhetoric used throughout has been abhorrent and those that have preached the whole ‘be kind’ thing have then lambasted those making their own decisions. The notion that unvaccinated people are the problem is divisive and has served to merely divide the population and then guilt trip or bully people in to having a vaccine. Not everyone refusing or not wanting it is an anti/vaxxer but again, that’s been the implied idea.

Covid has shown both the worst and best in people, sadly, with governments using quite strong and coercive language, varied methods of presenting data and at times that ridiculous ‘war time mentality’ notion it has just polarised society. Those that have taken a keen interest are being mocked, those that couldn’t care less have been called churlish or immature, and then everyone else is stuck in the middle, simply wanting to carry on with their lives…

It’s a mess…


Absolutely spot on, not once have I judged someone for getting vaccinated. I'll say it again for those in the back, if you feel at risk from Covid, get vaccinated, it can clearly reduce the severity of your symptoms.

Funnily enough, the least amount of prejudice and highest amount of understanding I've received  with regards to my choice not to be vaccinated has come from NHS medical professionals, my mental health team. That isn't to say that everyone else is judgemental, there are clearly level headed people about, such as yourself.


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FOur premiership games off due to COVID.  I wonder if they forfeit their games?  Course not.  Play whoever and tell them to enjoy it. Who cares if we get drubbed?  Maybe if we play without fear of losing we scrape a win.
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FOur premiership games off due to COVID.  I wonder if they forfeit their games?  Course not.  Play whoever and tell them to enjoy it. Who cares if we get drubbed?  Maybe if we play without fear of losing we scrape a win.


TWENTY-ONE games in total across the Prem and EFL are already postponed. Going to be quite a few default 2's in the buster this week.  


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TWENTY-ONE games in total across the Prem and EFL are already postponed. Going to be quite a few default 2's in the buster this week.  


There’s going to be some pretty chaotic fixture congestion in the New Year. I do think the madness will be relatively short-lived, but I can very few games being playable come early-to-mid January.


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To be honest, it's to be expected. It's basic psychology.  The more you fear, the more you look at ways for security. To some people, they discard facts on the dangers of the vaccine as they only want to quell the fear.
You only have to look at the promises that have been consistently broken
"Covid passports will never be a thing"
"You will only need one vaccination"
"Vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalised " ( This has already been proven false by many Doctors, nurses and other professionals )

Another danger we are seeing is some form of witch hunt against unvaccinated. Regardless to the reason for not being vaccinated it's becoming apparent that some are forming hate speech against the unvaccinated, and saying things like " it's their fault if they die" or "unvaccinated shouldn't be given healthcare or benefits". This is basically how hitler got Germany to hate the Jews... segregate a nation and make the segreated minority look as though they are vermin... And before you say that's ridiculous to compare. I'm not talking about necessary violence,  more the mentality side of things.

Of course, the other issue is that the majority of nurses are unvaccinated ( hmm I wonder why?) And they are part of this directed hatred. Yet last year most people were clapping them and thanking them for saving lives...

It just amazes me how poisonous humanity can be sometimes and people really should use this opportunity to look at themselves and ask " How did I react to my fellow person during the pandemic"...


Perhaps you can illuminate us with the facts on the danger of the vaccine. Obviously you will equally highlight the numbers of vaccines given and the numbers of people it has reasonably guessed to have saved from serious illness/death. Your comment on promises is disingenuous. All the experts have constantly been clear that this is a new virus and the situation changes because the facts change, because we are constantly acquiring new knowledge.
Your comment about vaccinated people NOT being less likely to be hospitalised is patent nonsense. For example the majority of cases being seen in london hospitals at present are unvaccinated people.
Equally ridiculous and very objectionable is you trying to equate people making a choice not to have a vaccine with 6 million Jews who were exterminated.they, I might remind you, didnt have a choice.you should apologise immediately for such a disgraceful comment
Finally you are completely wrong re nurses.3 months ago only 8% of the NHS staff were unvaccinated, so your assertion that the majority of nurses are unvaccinated is complete bollox
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Unvaccinated people being compared with Jews in Nazi Germany.

That’s quite enough Fashy Fishy for me today. Toodle pip.


I, of course anticipated this form of illogical reply, and I understand your unwillingness to read the whole post ad no-one would like to read facts that contradict their forced beliefs.

As mentioned this isn't likened to the violence, but the segregation of a nation through fear and ideology. I'm more than happy to advise on books that show the particular tactics Hitler used to achieve this, as this really isn't a new tactic and has been used since the roman times, including the Spanish inquisition and the churches hunting down scientists during the Middle ages. So repute this fact if you wish, bit the usual "Did he just use hitlers tactic to prove himself right " is both illogical and frankly dangerous because this use of "Fear" dates back way before Hitler....

Of course, it won't make a single bit of difference to some vaccinated as they are in the fear mode I talked about before, which is fine, just a bit sad really. Some are already showing the kinda human they want to be seen as during the pandemic.

Anyway, I've said my piece.

All the best.



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There’s going to be some pretty chaotic fixture congestion in the New Year. I do think the madness will be relatively short-lived, but I can very few games being playable come early-to-mid January.


23 games postponed now and there'll probably be a few more before tomorrow.


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23 games postponed now and there'll probably be a few more before tomorrow.


maybe best to postpone LMS for the week Les?
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I, of course anticipated this form of illogical reply, and I understand your unwillingness to read the whole post ad no-one would like to read facts that contradict their forced beliefs.

As mentioned this isn't likened to the violence, but the segregation of a nation through fear and ideology. I'm more than happy to advise on books that show the particular tactics Hitler used to achieve this, as this really isn't a new tactic and has been used since the roman times, including the Spanish inquisition and the churches hunting down scientists during the Middle ages. So repute this fact if you wish, bit the usual "Did he just use hitlers tactic to prove himself right " is both illogical and frankly dangerous because this use of "Fear" dates back way before Hitler....

Of course, it won't make a single bit of difference to some vaccinated as they are in the fear mode I talked about before, which is fine, just a bit sad really. Some are already showing the kinda human they want to be seen as during the pandemic.

Anyway, I've said my piece.

All the best.



I’m possibly not as bright as you so I might need some help with the logic. Let’s start with this bit:

Hitler annexes much of Europe, starts a war that claims the lives of 70m people, including the targeted extermination of 6m Jews (many of which were children).

And then vaccines did what now?

Oh, and let’s not say “don’t mention all the violence and killing”, ‘cos that’s kind of central to the story, innit…


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maybe best to postpone LMS for the week Les?


Am I being a bit thick. LMS??


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Am I being a bit thick. LMS??


no you're not

i've not a clue what i was talking about! Must have been the vaccine   ( im pro vax before anyone says anything)

Meant the pontoon buster sorry
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no you're not

i've not a clue what i was talking about! Must have been the vaccine   ( im pro vax before anyone says anything)

Meant the pontoon buster sorry


A good idea I reckon. A couple of Trophy games off (so far), so that's 25 games off that will affect the buster. I think I will, as it'll be a lot fairer to all I think. At lease were not to the point were a 2 could win the first prize yet. I reckon we'll see a few more called off by kick-off time tomorrow too. The Everton game on Sunday is already off too so that's 26 games affected. (so far).


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I, of course anticipated this form of illogical reply, and I understand your unwillingness to read the whole post ad no-one would like to read facts that contradict their forced beliefs.

As mentioned this isn't likened to the violence, but the segregation of a nation through fear and ideology. I'm more than happy to advise on books that show the particular tactics Hitler used to achieve this, as this really isn't a new tactic and has been used since the roman times, including the Spanish inquisition and the churches hunting down scientists during the Middle ages. So repute this fact if you wish, bit the usual "Did he just use hitlers tactic to prove himself right " is both illogical and frankly dangerous because this use of "Fear" dates back way before Hitler....

Of course, it won't make a single bit of difference to some vaccinated as they are in the fear mode I talked about before, which is fine, just a bit sad really. Some are already showing the kinda human they want to be seen as during the pandemic.

Anyway, I've said my piece.

All the best.



You’re telling us you haven’t been injected with anything recently? Are you sure?
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Perhaps you can illuminate us with the facts on the danger of the vaccine. Obviously you will equally highlight the numbers of vaccines given and the numbers of people it has reasonably guessed to have saved from serious illness/death. Your comment on promises is disingenuous. All the experts have constantly been clear that this is a new virus and the situation changes because the facts change, because we are constantly acquiring new knowledge.
Your comment about vaccinated people NOT being less likely to be hospitalised is patent nonsense. For example the majority of cases being seen in london hospitals at present are unvaccinated people.
Equally ridiculous and very objectionable is you trying to equate people making a choice not to have a vaccine with 6 million Jews who were exterminated.they, I might remind you, didnt have a choice.you should apologise immediately for such a disgraceful comment
Finally you are completely wrong re nurses.3 months ago only 8% of the NHS staff were unvaccinated, so your assertion that the majority of nurses are unvaccinated is complete bollox


Yeah I was going to point out the lies he was spouting about "most nurses not being vaccinated". Utter balderdash.
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Yeah I was going to point out the lies he was spouting about "most nurses not being vaccinated". Utter balderdash.


It's not, I read it on a Facebook group called 'We're not anti science conspiracy theory loons, honest'


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Anyway, I've said my piece.

All the best.



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Can’t we just (99%) agree that all anti-vaxxers, even fellow Mariners, are all selfish, scaredy-cat w#nkers? We just need to cut to the chase here.

Stop being so scared. The vaccine is good. Those who don’t have it are pathetic weaklings.
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Well according to the pro vaxxers on here it’s the only way to avoid certain hospitalisation so I think the anti vaxxers are actually the brave ones


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Well according to the pro vaxxers on here it’s the only way to avoid certain hospitalisation so I think the anti vaxxers are actually the brave ones


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Covid is the type of thing that until you get it it's all a load of bollox.

Well i first hand got it in June, had my first jab 5 days before i was positive and let me tell you it was one of the worst things I've ever experienced, day 9 10 and 11 were pure hell.

I remember sat in the back of an ambulance thinking im only 39 and I genuinely was going to die.

Took me months to recover properly and having my booster on Sunday and i can't wait.


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It’s easy isn’t it? Get vaccinated and reduce the chance of catching something that’s easy to catch & can quite easily kill you?

Why wouldn’t you? F*ck principles as “frankie says choose life” for those who where around in the early 80s.


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Just as a side note, first vaccinations are up 50% in the last 4 days.theyve been bumbling along at 20,000 per day for many weeks, but have been c. 30k on each if the last 4 days. That equates to a million first doses in a month, which would cause major dent in the 6 million who have yet to get first vaccines
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Just as a side note, first vaccinations are up 50% in the last 4 days.theyve been bumbling along at 20,000 per day for many weeks, but have been c. 30k on each if the last 4 days. That equates to a million first doses in a month, which would cause major dent in the 6 million who have yet to get first vaccines


Just like the smoking ban made smoking antisocial, Covid passports are making being unvaccinated antisocial. A desirable side effect and probably one of the main reasons they brought them in.
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Yup. It was pretty amusing the rate in which the French suddenly signed up for their vaccination when the government announced people wouldn't be able to visit cafes and bars if unvaccinated!
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Funny how nearly all league matches are off today but hardly any in the Trophy are affected.  Hmmmm.
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Nobody knows what really goes into these anti vax drugs that’s why they worry.

The same as they don’t know what goes into their cigarettes but still smoke. What chemicals go into their bottles when they vape, yet they still do. What additives go into their food yet still eat. What chemicals purify their water yet still drink and clean in it. What chemicals go into their beauty/grooming products yet still use them.

I do understand the cynicism that people have, but having lost my dad to it, I know I’d rather the government track me from the locator particles in it (sic) than being located by a headstone


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Yup. It was pretty amusing the rate in which the French suddenly signed up for their vaccination when the government announced people wouldn't be able to visit cafes and bars if unvaccinated!


But they’ve just shut bars and restaurants?? My friend lives in Rennes and said many of his friends are laughing at the fact the government blamed the unvaccinated yet they’ve had to shut bars and restaurants…


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Did I miss the NHS being overwhelmed during the first couple of waves when no one was jabbed or boosted ?


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Did I miss the NHS being overwhelmed during the first couple of waves when no one was jabbed or boosted ?


No, but we had to have a full national lockdown...... idiot

I would love you to make that comment to a nurse who had just finished a 12 hours shift at the time.
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Covid is the type of thing that until you get it it's all a load of bollox.

Well i first hand got it in June, had my first jab 5 days before i was positive and let me tell you it was one of the worst things I've ever experienced, day 9 10 and 11 were pure hell.

I remember sat in the back of an ambulance thinking im only 39 and I genuinely was going to die.

Took me months to recover properly and having my booster on Sunday and i can't wait.


Well done Johnny and glad you’ve recovered, I’ve seen first hand what Covid can do as my wife, son and daughter contracted it In July, my wife still hasn’t fully recovered yet.


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It’s easy isn’t it? Get vaccinated and reduce the chance of catching something that’s easy to catch & can quite easily kill you?

Why wouldn’t you? F*ck principles as “frankie says choose life” for those who where around in the early 80s.


“Quite easily kill you”

Erm I’m not so sure about that mate. Unless you’re 75+ or 10 stone overweight
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Can’t we just (99%) agree that all anti-vaxxers, even fellow Mariners, are all selfish, scaredy-cat w#nkers? We just need to cut to the chase here.

Stop being so scared. The vaccine is good. Those who don’t have it are pathetic weaklings.


Maybe they've read some of those pesky press reports?  

https://news.sky.com/story/cov.....roner-finds-12479406

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne.....AstraZeneca-jab.html

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/healthy-mum-2-35-killed-21548121



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72 deaths associated with the vaccine out of 60 million people vaccinated.all associated with rare disorder which doctors have now recognised and are able to treat far more successfully. So basically you're trying to claim the vaccine is unsafe because of,at worst,  a 1 in 850,000 chance you might die
Who's spreading fear and scare stories now?
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72 deaths associated with the vaccine out of 60 million people vaccinated.all associated with rare disorder which doctors have now recognised and are able to treat far more successfully. So basically you're trying to claim the vaccine is unsafe because of,at worst,  a 1 in 850,000 chance you might die
Who's spreading fear and scare stories now?


Firstly, nowhere have I said the vaccine isn't safe or spreading "fear and scare stories"

The point is that a certain amount of people will look at those stories & make a judgement.
What is quite pathetic is calling people "all selfish, scaredy-cat w#nkers" when you know nothing about their reasons for not taking vaccination.




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Did I miss the NHS being overwhelmed during the first couple of waves when no one was jabbed or boosted ?


Did you miss pensioners dying scared and alone in their houses and care homes as hospitals had to prioritise admitting patients that they had a higher chance of keeping alive?
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On a football point of view only 3 games postponed in the entire non league and Scottish programme. The Premier and EFL decimated due to covid . Does that mean that our top divisions are full of non vaxxed players ? Or aren't they taking just the sensible precautions such as masks etc. Thinking " I'm a professional footballer and fit so it won't get me  "
Also clubs now , especially Premier teams have such large squads that they could easily field a side .
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On a football point of view only 3 games postponed in the entire non league and Scottish programme. The Premier and EFL decimated due to covid . Does that mean that our top divisions are full of non vaxxed players ? Or aren't they taking just the sensible precautions such as masks etc. Thinking " I'm a professional footballer and fit so it won't get me  "
Also clubs now , especially Premier teams have such large squads that they could easily field a side .


I think Premier League clubs are testing far more than anybody else. There's probably a whole load of asymptomatic positives in footballers and they won't be getting caught lower down the pyramid where testing is sketchy at best
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“Quite easily kill you”

Erm I’m not so sure about that mate. Unless you’re 75+ or 10 stone overweight


FFS, not what the data tells us 🤦‍♂️


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FFS, not what the data tells us 🤦‍♂️


Under 40 the death rate ranges from 0.006% to 0.014%. Do you really think that's the data telling you it could quite easily kill you? And that's from the known cases. The scientists say we only detect about 1/3 of cases and the non detected ones are heavily biased into this age group. So that number is probably about 5 times higher than reality.

Over 75 it goes from 0.8% to over 5% for over 90s. Now that really is a high chance of death.
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If only the older population adhered to the rules:

Older people break Covid rules more than the young because they worry less about the future

Older people break lockdown mixing rules more than the younger generation because they are less worried about the future, according to a new study.

Scientists from the University of Kent found that younger people who went to raves in breach of lockdown restrictions earlier this year broke fewer Covid guidelines than single-vaccinated 80-year-olds.

While clubbers wore face masks and regularly washed their hands on the dance floor, those in their eighties carried on mixing in households without wearing a mask, breaking more restrictions.

The findings are linked to the outlook those over 80 years old have on their future lives.

Researchers said it was a case of older people being less concerned about the future, whereas the partygoers felt more responsibility as they had longer left to live.

They found more than 50 percent of those attending raves complied with the recommended Covid guidelines by wearing face coverings and regularly washing their hands when partying.



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Under 40 the death rate ranges from 0.006% to 0.014%. Do you really think that's the data telling you it could quite easily kill you? And that's from the known cases. The scientists say we only detect about 1/3 of cases and the non detected ones are heavily biased into this age group. So that number is probably about 5 times higher than reality.

Over 75 it goes from 0.8% to over 5% for over 90s. Now that really is a high chance of death.


Try telling that to the family if the unvaccinated Town supporter who I think had just turned 50 and passed away after contracting it whilst at the Wembley for the Euros. I can’t recall his name and if I could I wouldn’t post it but I felt really sorry for him & his family when I read it in the GET.

I worked with a guy who passed away prior to the vaccine, no underlying health conditions but was unfortunate enough to develop double pneumonia as the COVID cleared, this alongside the impact of COVID led to his heart failing. He was 41 and thought to be in good health.

The % of deaths in the mid range age band is indeed small but the virus is still deadly.


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Try telling that to the family if the unvaccinated Town supporter who I think had just turned 50 and passed away after contracting it whilst at the Wembley for the Euros. I can’t recall his name and if I could I wouldn’t post it but I felt really sorry for him & his family when I read it in the GET.

I worked with a guy who passed away prior to the vaccine, no underlying health conditions but was unfortunate enough to develop double pneumonia as the COVID cleared, this alongside the impact of COVID led to his heart failing. He was 41 and thought to be in good health.

The % of deaths in the mid range age band is indeed small but the virus is still deadly.


Was the lads name Glenn Barratt by any chance?


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Was the lads name Glenn Barratt by any chance?


I can’t recall mate but it took him really quickly, very sad.


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