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Interesting interview and it’s great to see some real initiatives at the heart of things.

I can’t help but think Jason is whistling in the wind a bit about wealth distribution in football. It mirrors what’s gone on in the wider world in the past 30-40 years. Wealth is concentrated in fewer hands and income differences between top and bottom have got wider. Those st the top don’t seem ready to volunteer change.


That is a very concise and accurate summary of the world we live in, star man.



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Interesting interview and it’s great to see some real initiatives at the heart of things.

I can’t help but think Jason is whistling in the wind a bit about wealth distribution in football. It mirrors what’s gone on in the wider world in the past 30-40 years. Wealth is concentrated in fewer hands and income differences between top and bottom have got wider. Those st the top don’t seem ready to volunteer change.


Agree with your observations on how wealth is distributed in the world - but surely that’s all the more reason to try to initiate change.
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Agree with your observations on how wealth is distributed in the world - but surely that’s all the more reason to try to initiate change.


I agree it’s worth the attempt. Not disputing that at all. Just that football’s issue is a symptom of a wider issue.


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I agree it’s worth the attempt. Not disputing that at all. Just that football’s issue is a symptom of a wider issue.


West Ham arranged a private jet to get Antonio back from international duty 1 day ahead of schedule this week.....nice example of where money in the game is.
Quite amusing they lost and didn't score 🤣


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Football will never be a level playing field, obviously, so whistling in the wind is an apt description.

Imagine if it WAS a level playing field for a minute.  That would make it worse for GTFC.

If all clubs in the NL were paying the same the larger metropolitan areas would attract more players and well established clubs like ours in more outlying areas would have less to choose from as there is less incentive for players to move.

I imagine players would not move about as much in search of better money so areas of larger populations of players would surely have an advantage.

In any event it will never happen so I hope the owners dont spend too much energy chasing an unrealistic goal and appreciate their job is to attract and utilise suitable investment into the club to allow us to compete.  I think he has said more than once there are offers of investment and help yet to be taken up.
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Football will never be a level playing field, obviously, so whistling in the wind is an apt description.

Imagine if it WAS a level playing field for a minute.  That would make it worse for GTFC.

If all clubs in the NL were paying the same the larger metropolitan areas would attract more players and well established clubs like ours in more outlying areas would have less to choose from as there is less incentive for players to move.

I imagine players would not move about as much in search of better money so areas of larger populations of players would surely have an advantage.

In any event it will never happen so I hope the owners dont spend too much energy chasing an unrealistic goal and appreciate their job is to attract and utilise suitable investment into the club to allow us to compete.  I think he has said more than once there are offers of investment and help yet to be taken up.


Exactly this. Very interesting that Mike Parker is in communication with Jason and Andrew.
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Football will never be a level playing field, obviously, so whistling in the wind is an apt description.

Imagine if it WAS a level playing field for a minute.  That would make it worse for GTFC.

If all clubs in the NL were paying the same the larger metropolitan areas would attract more players and well established clubs like ours in more outlying areas would have less to choose from as there is less incentive for players to move.

I imagine players would not move about as much in search of better money so areas of larger populations of players would surely have an advantage.

In any event it will never happen so I hope the owners dont spend too much energy chasing an unrealistic goal and appreciate their job is to attract and utilise suitable investment into the club to allow us to compete.  I think he has said more than once there are offers of investment and help yet to be taken up.


Actually the days of the maximum wage* coincided with our best years as a club. * not the same thing, I know, as a wage cap, but a wage budget cap will tend to limit the higher salaries.

No one is proposing a complete levelling. The Fair Game organisation is proposing better governance of football as a whole and of the finances of clubs within the professional/semi-professional game. I’m suggesting a narrowing of the wealth differentials. In football and in wider society. Ultimately unrestricted wealth gaps are bad for capitalism and democracy.


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Actually the days of the maximum wage* coincided with our best years as a club. * not the same thing, I know, as a wage cap, but a wage budget cap will tend to limit the higher salaries.

No one is proposing a complete levelling. The Fair Game organisation is proposing better governance of football as a whole and of the finances of clubs within the professional/semi-professional game. I’m suggesting a narrowing of the wealth differentials. In football and in wider society. Ultimately unrestricted wealth gaps are bad for capitalism and democracy.


Fair enough, but like you say it is whistling in the wind. You will never get agreement from clubs who naturally want to preserve their advantages, which should include us in non-league.
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Fair enough, but like you say it is whistling in the wind. You will never get agreement from clubs who naturally want to preserve their advantages, which should include us in non-league.


This whole idea of " a fairer football structure or indeed a fairer social structure " is a pipe dream because it is dependent on human nature. There will always be those who want more , financially ,out of the world and are not bothered how the achieve it. This could be running a football club, a business empire or just an ambitious person on the shop floor willing to do more overtime or go that extra mile to benefit themselves.There are those that are ruthless in how they achieve their ends regardless of how it affects anybody else. You only have to look at the proposed takeover of LV to see how this is manifesting itself in the business world. The football world is no different with some owners wanting to buy success at any price. This latest tv deal with The Premiersh*t from an American tv network will bring more unsavoury wealthy characters out of the woodwork with ambitions to own football clubs purely to feed their egos with no thought for the supporters. It's a wonderful thing to have altruistic socialist ideals but sadly the reality of human nature confines it to the Utopias portrayed in political books.


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Nothing but respect for Jason and Andrew but it’s going to take more than a pressure group made up of lower league clubs to alter the greed at the top of the pyramid.
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