Another rumour??

For intercourse sake

You're having a laugh, it's not a rumour its total BS...that site is so full of sh!t it's got diarrhea

I'm usually pretty dubious about transfer rumours, but if Sports World Ghana are reporting it, it's odds on.

So Elliott freelances for them as well.

Yawn.

What a waste of a footballing talent though, twiddling his thumbs at Donny with no chance of playing and still only 28, ah well.

The only way he would come back to this level is if he was skint and is offered a good wage and a recording studio with artists to work with and record his songs  

Before you all scoff, I can confirm there is some truth to this article. The first four words in particular, only it's about a year out of date...

Noooooooooooooooooooooo please for fucksake no

What's the other rumour?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

What's the other rumour?

Robbie Fowler, Milfields…

Where have you been the last few years?

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it but Chesterfield signed Solihull’s POTS on Friday, as they are in the midst of an injury crisis. Obviously we don’t have as much (seemingly unlimited) money as Chesterfield but that is how you do a signing!

Quoted from Grantley

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it but Chesterfield signed Solihull’s POTS on Friday, as they are in the midst of an injury crisis. Obviously we don’t have as much (seemingly unlimited) money as Chesterfield but that is how you do a signing!

Chesterfield obviously want to get out of this league THIS season ............and us?????

Quoted from barrattstandman

Chesterfield obviously want to get out of this league THIS season ............and us?????

We do too… but just look at Stockport- throwing money at it doesn’t always work.

Quoted from thefish

We do too… but just look at Stockport- throwing money at it doesn’t always work.

Two things that do get you out of this league are Money and a 4g pitch

Our incredible support and the manager deserves the board stepping up to spend money on in demand players to give us the best chance.

The days of hoping for football fortune have gone. The club have done great so far but now is the time to show our muscle in player recruitment.

Ah yes chesterfield who furloughed players claimed they had no money

Quoted from barrattstandman

Chesterfield obviously want to get out of this league THIS season ............and us?????

This has been posted before, but it’s worth a reminder on Chesterfield. They had an in insurance policy in place which covered them in the event that they lost income through crowds dropping below a certain level.

It seems prescient now, though I suspect it was probably taken out to give them solidarity in the event of a typical recession (as opposed to what ensued with Covid), however in effect they were able to claim the same benefits as all other clubs in terms of furlough and government grants, all the while having their lost gate money covered by their insurance policy. Having won a high court case forcing their insurer to pay out an eye watering sum, they’ve been able to run the club with virtually zero cost for 18 months whilst still benefiting from the gate income which most clubs missed out on during that period.

They’re the only club I’ve heard of to have had such a policy in place, but I suspect that’s the reason they’ve been able to sign the likes of Kabongo Tshimanga. He’d have been playing EFL football otherwise.

Fans should always be able to criticise when it’s fair. For all our recent turmoil as a club, we have the resources to be able to beat the likes of Wealdstone, Kidderminster and Aldershot. But we shouldn’t always assume that this division is a level playing field - for a variety of reasons there are a number of clubs with greater resources than ourselves, whether we like it or not.

Quoted from Poojah

This has been posted before, but it’s worth a reminder on Chesterfield. They had an in insurance policy in place which covered them in the event that they lost income through crowds dropping below a certain level.

It seems prescient now, though I suspect it was probably taken out to give them solidarity in the event of a typical recession (as opposed to what ensued with Covid), however in effect they were able to claim the same benefits as all other clubs in terms of furlough and government grants, all the while having their lost gate money covered by their insurance policy. Having won a high court case forcing their insurer to pay out an eye watering sum, they’ve been able to run the club with virtually zero cost for 18 months whilst still benefiting from the gate income which most clubs missed out on during that period.

They’re the only club I’ve heard of to have had such a policy in place, but I suspect that’s the reason they’ve been able to sign the likes of Kabongo Tshimanga. He’d have been playing EFL football otherwise.

Fans should always be able to criticise when it’s fair. For all our recent turmoil as a club, we have the resources to be able to beat the likes of Wealdstone, Kidderminster and Aldershot. But we shouldn’t always assume that this division is a level playing field - for a variety of reasons there are a number of clubs with greater resources than ourselves, whether we like it or not.

Whatever the individual circumstances there are a handful of clubs who can compete for the best players at this level.  We are one of them.

Most clubs do not have our advantages including having mega rich owners. We must make it pay.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Whatever the individual circumstances there are a handful of clubs who can compete for the best players at this level.  We are one of them.

Most clubs do not have our advantages including having mega rich owners. We must make it pay.

Are our owners ‘mega-rich’? I don’t definitively know the answer to that, but I’ve never heard anything to suggest that they are going to bankroll our playing budget.

Their plan seems to be based more around running the club properly and sustainably, which so far appears to be yielding some decent results. But while that should mean we have some money in the pot, it’s unlikely to be comparable with the likes of Wrexham, Chesterfield and Stockport while we have the millstone of our former owner hanging around our neck.

Let's not forget us and Southend have the added benefit of full parachute payments this season, where's that extra striker we obviously need?

Quoted from Poojah

Are our owners ‘mega-rich’? I don’t definitively know the answer to that, but I’ve never heard anything to suggest that they are going to bankroll our playing budget.

Their plan seems to be based more around running the club properly and sustainably, which so far appears to be yielding some decent results. But while that should mean we have some money in the pot, it’s unlikely to be comparable with the likes of Wrexham, Chesterfield and Stockport while we have the millstone of our former owner hanging around our neck.

Yes our owners are mega rich. Fenty's wealth is like peanuts compared to these two.

We are not asking them to bankroll the club as the fans contribute enormously, but obviously one of their main tasks is to get us the players we need to make a proper first of it as the season moves on.

I can't fault them so far, but I think they now need to make sure Hurst can set his transfer targets high.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Let's not forget us and Southend have the added benefit of full parachute payments this season, where's that extra striker we obviously need?

Not at Southend, I would suggest.

I’m certainly not inferring we don’t have the budget to sign another striker. Working off squad numbers alone it’s clear we weren’t able to sign any of our primary number 9 targets in the summer, and it’s obvious that we’re ahead of budget so far this season. I’m just not sure comparisons to certain other clubs are relevant.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Yes our owners are mega rich. Fenty's wealth is like peanuts compared to these two.

I can’t dispute what you say as I don’t have the contrary evidence, but where are you getting this from?

Quoted from Poojah

I can’t dispute what you say as I don’t have the contrary evidence, but where are you getting this from?

I think their wealth has been discussed on here before hasn't it? They move in completely different business circles to Fenty and are by any normal measure very rich indeed.

We have hit the jackpot with these two. The fans have responded and I dont think it too much to ask for a long awaited major signing or two.

Quoted from Poojah

I can’t dispute what you say as I don’t have the contrary evidence, but where are you getting this from?

I had exactly the same question. Whilst it might be true, not really seen any evidence on here. Hope so! As I think we are more than a striker short at the moment

Quoted from Zmariner

I had exactly the same question. Whilst it might be true, not really seen any evidence on here. Hope so! As I think we are more than a striker short at the moment

Whether the owners are rich or 'mega rich', surely our gate receipts are way above what was budgeted for?

Agreed, this lack of forwards has now been going on for over three months. I appreciate it is hard to get good quality forwards What I cannot believe is there are not some sort of reinforcement available that are better than what we have and I find this a bit disappointing.
To draw an analogy, it is like waiting for the perfect girlfriend, the only place she exists is in your own head
Utm

Quoted from Poojah

Are our owners ‘mega-rich’? I don’t definitively know the answer to that, but I’ve never heard anything to suggest that they are going to bankroll our playing budget.

Their plan seems to be based more around running the club properly and sustainably, which so far appears to be yielding some decent results. But while that should mean we have some money in the pot, it’s unlikely to be comparable with the likes of Wrexham, Chesterfield and Stockport while we have the millstone of our former owner hanging around our neck.

I imagine needing to pay millions to the former owner hasn't really helped matters but I'm sure they already budgeted for this. It seems more a case that targets were missed for one reasons or another including not willing to throw large transfer fees and contracts at the problem like the teams with a sugar daddy.

Quoted from barrattstandman

Chesterfield obviously want to get out of this league THIS season ............and us?????

The fans certainly do but I'm not sure the owners are that bothered. Top end of the NL so attracting excellent gates might be all they are really bothered about. After all Football League might not look so attractive if we are bottom half with half the crowds

The owners have said all along that there is money available for Hurst to buy any players.
They also said that they were not football men, they are businessmen and supporters, and would leave all the decision making to Hurst.

What more do you want Pettit and Stockwood to do? They can't MAKE Hurst buy anyone.

Quoted from Poojah

I can’t dispute what you say as I don’t have the contrary evidence, but where are you getting this from?

Same place as where Hollowhead had invested 100 grand

Quoted from Garth

Same place as where Hollowhead had invested 100 grand

You know full well we are discussing a different point completely.

These are two well respected businessmen whose wealth is not in question. Leaving aside how much they are worth individually it is part of their remit to help attract the best players we can. If Hurst identifies a striker but it will cost, say 200k then they should fund it. The fans support will have more than covered a transfer fee.

If Hurst is setting his sights too low that is another thing altogether but why we cannot get reinforcements in the building to capitalise on our good start and keep the momentum going is disappointing.It will ultimately cost the owners because fans new and old will want to see ambition both off and most importantly on the field.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

You're having a laugh, it's not a rumour its total BS...that site is so full of sh!t it's got diarrhea

To be fair if it had diarrhoea it definitely wouldn't be full of excrement.    

Quoted from Ipswin

The fans certainly do but I'm not sure the owners are that bothered. Top end of the NL so attracting excellent gates might be all they are really bothered about. After all Football League might not look so attractive if we are bottom half with half the crowds

Jesus, come on. Really?!

Quoted from Ipswin

The fans certainly do but I'm not sure the owners are that bothered. Top end of the NL so attracting excellent gates might be all they are really bothered about. After all Football League might not look so attractive if we are bottom half with half the crowds

Dear God. Your cynism know's no bounds does it.

The whole debate about another forward would not have arisen if Charles Vernam hadn't been let go by a ridiculous mistake.

His type of dribbling at speed would have dovetailed with McAtee's harassing or Souza's running and Clifton's graft.

No fitness problems as far as I remember, and doing ok in the EFL .

Another local lad who could have been a fans' favourite !!

Okay I know I haven't been around an awful long time, as I am new to the area and to GTFC following. But it is noticeable that there are fair few people on this forum who don't half get on a really downer very quickly.

As far as I can see, there is so much to be positive about right now at Grimsby Town. Yes we have had some defeats and the manager has a lot of work to do, but come on lads (and lasses), chin's up, stay positive and stop being such misery's.

From what I can see, compared to recent history, you have a hell of an exciting season on the go here. So lap it up and enjoy.

If we are so much a one man team then we have serious problems that need fixing urgently

Quoted from chaos33

Jesus, come on. Really?!

Yes really. The original poster asked if GTFC wanted to get out of the NL as much as Chesterfield clearly do and I'm not convinced they do. Most fans are 100% bent on promotion as their main objective but I'm not sure how committed Pettits and Stockwoods, by their own admission not 'football people' really are. Of course they would be as pleased as all of us but I'm not convinced it's their first priority or that they want it that desperately. They see advancing the club in many other ways as more important perhaps.

No doubt that McAtee is a big miss for us but not so long ago we were talking about how the goals have been shared around the squad this season.

As for the JS and AP wealth discussion, I doubt they'll be chucking money at the club. It was clear from the start that their ambition was to run us sustainably while improving facilities for players and matchday experience for fans (and ultimately raise pride, aspirations, etc of the people of the town, and attract wider investment).

They could chuck money at it this season, but what's the gamble? Wrexham and Stockport are already using the same tactic, as are Chesterfield to some degree. Only two clubs can go up. Two or three big spenders will be left bitterly disappointed come May, guaranteed.

Imagine us chucking a load of cash at a new striker, which then causes other players to ask for improved contracts, and we miss out on promotion and go into the summer in heavy debt. That type of spending is not sustainable.

I've never wanted anyone to put their personal fortune into the club. Don't get me wrong, if it was a bottomless pit it'd be nice but the more you pile into the club the harder it is to stop when things don't go your way.

It's a bit like placing a bet. It doesn't come off so you start chasing your losses. Spending big in this division doesn't guarantee promotion, and considering we lose historical funding from the EFL it's a slippery slope.

Quoted from barrattstandman

If we are so much a one man team then we have serious problems that need fixing urgently

Whilst we are not a one man team it is pretty evident from the matches McAtee has missed, including when he was substitute v Eastleigh, that we are totally reliant upon him to play the style of football that impressed us all during the great start to the season. We miss both his energy in closing down the opposition and his ability to link the midfield and attack and keep the ball moving forward at pace.

The major disappointment in my eyes is, in his absence, our inability to play positively with a slightly different formation that maintains the same level of attacking threat.

Very puzzled by Crookes being omitted on Saturday, more so given Khouri’s selection, as I think he has been excellent defensively and more than decent in providing support in attack. I stated earlier in the season that we were probably at least two players short, left sided midfield player and decent striker and that looks fairly accurate at the minute. That’s not a criticism of Clifton who would probably still make the team but an observation to give us better balance.

Hopefully a return to winning ways Friday night.

Quoted from Ipswin

Top end of the NL so attracting excellent gates might be all they are really bothered about.

The excellent gates (and feelgood factor) will soon disappear though if we're miles off top spot, even if we're in the playoffs (we scraped 3000 one game towards the end of 15/16 (a Tuesday game admittedly but the playoff spot wasn't guaranteed)).

Been thinking about this since the first defeat. It must be very difficult for the rest of the team to play with such a different striker as Lenny. Is this as much about Taylor’s injury absence as it is about McAtee? Missing one is bad enough but both?

Lenny is very different to both and our style of play needed to adapt to his strengths and I’m not convinced Taylor is fully fit yet either.

It’s not just transfer fees though is it. It’s wages as well. And if Chesterfield and Wrexham are paying for players that otherwise would be in League One, we’d be stupid to follow suit. You pay one player X times what the others are on and you demotivate the rest.

Don’t think for one moment that Hurst doesn’t want to bring in another striker. Or that the owners won’t support reasonable requests for the money.

As for P&S not being bothered about promotion because they’re “not football people”! Utter claptrap. Utter utter claptrap.

Quoted from RichMariner

No doubt that McAtee is a big miss for us but not so long ago we were talking about how the goals have been shared around the squad this season.

As for the JS and AP wealth discussion, I doubt they'll be chucking money at the club. It was clear from the start that their ambition was to run us sustainably while improving facilities for players and matchday experience for fans (and ultimately raise pride, aspirations, etc of the people of the town, and attract wider investment).

They could chuck money at it this season, but what's the gamble? Wrexham and Stockport are already using the same tactic, as are Chesterfield to some degree. Only two clubs can go up. Two or three big spenders will be left bitterly disappointed come May, guaranteed.

Imagine us chucking a load of cash at a new striker, which then causes other players to ask for improved contracts, and we miss out on promotion and go into the summer in heavy debt. That type of spending is not sustainable.

I've never wanted anyone to put their personal fortune into the club. Don't get me wrong, if it was a bottomless pit it'd be nice but the more you pile into the club the harder it is to stop when things don't go your way.

It's a bit like placing a bet. It doesn't come off so you start chasing your losses. Spending big in this division doesn't guarantee promotion, and considering we lose historical funding from the EFL it's a slippery slope.

It may well be sustainable doing it the way you suggest, but believe me, the minute we are not showing enough ambition and start to slip behind the ones that are then support will ebb away, both in numbers and feel-good factor.

It is more a hybrid model I would prefer; it is totally unrealistic for the owners to continue to enjoy gates far in excess of what they budgeted for, and not spend some of that money on good players who are in demand when we need them. Hurst is not the sort of man that will be banging on the door to spend money we don't have in any case.

I am not, and don't think other people are asking for a Wrexham type scenario - just a sensible improvement in the team to give us the best chance.

The owners may well have the money available to Hurst, and perhaps he doesn't want to spend it but I find it inconceivable there are no players out there that could be tempted with either a reasonable fee or wages. It is always a worry about current players wanting more, but no club would ever sign anybody during the season if that was the main consideration. They can all get a pay rise if and when we go up would be my answer!

So when is boogle signing then ? 🙄

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As for P&S not being bothered about promotion because they’re “not football people”! Utter claptrap. Utter utter claptrap.[/quote]

I didn't say they weren't bothered about it at all. I answered the original question by saying that I didn't think they were as committed to promotion as (those bankrolling) Chesterfield or as desperate for it as most GTFC fans are (some fans appear satisfied by seeing good football and having better food and the fans corner thingy)

Hurst's not going to get the sack if we aren't promoted whereas Chesterfield Wrexham and other managers of the so-called 'top' teams well might just as our owners aren't going to throw a lot of cash at players either

Quoted from Ipswin

The fans certainly do but I'm not sure the owners are that bothered. Top end of the NL so attracting excellent gates might be all they are really bothered about. After all Football League might not look so attractive if we are bottom half with half the crowds

I thought you was a serious man, but this is absolutely pathetic.  You really think that all they are bothered about is money?  Pfft, I can't take you seriously any more!

Quoted from 123614

I thought you was a serious man, but this is absolutely pathetic.  You really think that all they are bothered about is money?  Pfft, I can't take you seriously any more!

That's fine, I've never taken you seriously. Elderly squaddies often miss the point.

If they weren't that bothered about money they would have spent some on a striker (and other positions) by now. The point was they are not as committed to or as concerned about promotion as Chesterfield, If it happens it happens but they aren't going out of their was like the Spirites appear to be.

Do you really think they have bought Grimsby Town for fun or as a little plaything with no concern for income? excrement I hope not (football-wise we are in trouble if they have) The reason they have got money is exactly because they have bothered about it

Quoted from Ipswin

That's fine, I've never taken you seriously. Elderly squaddies often miss the point.

If they weren't that bothered about money they would have spent some on a striker (and other positions) by now. The point was they are not as committed to or as concerned about promotion as Chesterfield, If it happens it happens but they aren't going out of their was like the Spirites appear to be.

Do you really think they have bought Grimsby Town for fun or as a little plaything with no concern for income? excrement I hope not (football-wise we are in trouble if they have) The reason they have got money is exactly because they have bothered about it

I'll tell you why they bought GTFC....because they could!...and as fans could see the sh!t show Fenty had made if it and wanted to do something for the community and make the true fans and town proud of their football club again...
In his opening interview Stockwood made a point of stating it not being a financial decision because that would be the worst decision you could make in buying a football club..
Let's not forget they are £500K down before we lucked a ball at the start of this season and the next 2 due to having to pay that leach off!!..
So do they want out this league, I'm absolutely positive they do, but will they put the club at financial risk in that pursuit, never in a month of Sundays..

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I think their wealth has been discussed on here before hasn't it? They move in completely different business circles to Fenty and are by any normal measure very rich indeed.

We have hit the jackpot with these two. The fans have responded and I dont think it too much to ask for a long awaited major signing or two.

I think our new owners ethos and vision for our club and the way it should be run is far more important than their personal wealth.

Quoted from SouthLakesMariner

I think our new owners ethos and vision for our club and the way it should be run is far more important than their personal wealth.

UTM - I’m here to help .

Spending big is a dangerous game. I predicted it would take 3 years to get out of this cesspit and if we threw a load of cash at it this season, we would just be another club in a list of clubs desperately throwing cash at the problem. At least 2 of those clubs are going to fail with their objective this season.

We've signed 15 players so far and some have been more successful than others as expected. Next season I expect the churn will be much lower and we will have a squad that is stronger in depth.

If we go up this season, brilliant but it's not the be all and end all.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Spending big is a dangerous game. I predicted it would take 3 years to get out of this cesspit and if we threw a load of cash at it this season, we would just be another club in a list of clubs desperately throwing cash at the problem. At least 2 of those clubs are going to fail with their objective this season.

We've signed 15 players so far and some have been more successful than others as expected. Next season I expect the churn will be much lower and we will have a squad that is stronger in depth.

If we go up this season, brilliant but it's not the be all and end all.

I really do hope that we can get it together in a couple of years as, personally I struggle to go to games in the National League. I dutifully get my season ticket but when it comes to Saturday afternoon and we are playing Weymouth etc. I do feel a bit indifferent about going. Never had this problem with league games so it is probably me utm

Quoted from Ipswin

That's fine, I've never taken you seriously. Elderly squaddies often miss the point.

If they weren't that bothered about money they would have spent some on a striker (and other positions) by now. The point was they are not as committed to or as concerned about promotion as Chesterfield, If it happens it happens but they aren't going out of their was like the Spirites appear to be.

Do you really think they have bought Grimsby Town for fun or as a little plaything with no concern for income? excrement I hope not (football-wise we are in trouble if they have) The reason they have got money is exactly because they have bothered about it

Elderly squaddies are the reason you sleep safely in your bed at night.  I have no idea why you think you should bring that to a football forum.  You've lost it, as from now, you're blocked.

Quoted from SouthLakesMariner

I think our new owners ethos and vision for our club and the way it should be run is far more important than their personal wealth.

I am thrilled about the owners vision for the club. I am also pleased they are very rich men because you cannot have a noble vision without the money to back it up.

Fenty had a "vision" once; get a new stadium, and the benefits accruing from that but didn't have the money to carry it out.

They have already spent a substantial amount of money with a lot more to come and they obviously realise that.

If we are to progress we will need to invest in better players so I would say a vision and the wealth to carry it out go hand in hand.

Why do you keep referring to them as “very rich/wealthy” when you’ve no idea how much money they have?

They’re probably much better off than bottom feeders like us, but I can’t imagine they’re on the level of the bloke at Stockport or those at Wrexham. Shutes seemed to have quite deep pockets, but is obviously out of the picture for better or worse.

Quoted from 123614

Elderly squaddies are the reason you sleep safely in your bed at night.  I have no idea why you think you should bring that to a football forum.  You've lost it, as from now, you're blocked.

At last! Thank you,

Quoted from ska face

Why do you keep referring to them as “very rich/wealthy” when you’ve no idea how much money they have?

They’re probably much better off than bottom feeders like us, but I can’t imagine they’re on the level of the bloke at Stockport or those at Wrexham. Shutes seemed to have quite deep pockets, but is obviously out of the picture for better or worse.

I think people believe Stockwood to be really wedged up due to the fact he sold his share of "simply business" for £495m.
If you did deep enough it's muted his personal wealth is circa £195m and Petites is circa £25-30m.
Now, if that's the case the case we can safely assume the club has significant financial backing now but these 2 are business men and I wouldn't expect them to bank roll the club but to get the club on sound financial foundations with a rise in turnover and eventually increased profits which will be fed back into the club..a far more sustainable approach for the good of the club in the future.