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joe56
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Pretty much as I remember it. We were much the better side but...

Another day, we turn one of those situations into a goal.
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First time seeing the goal back. I didn’t have it down as a goalkeeping error at the time and I still don’t so what was all of the silliness on Saturday night knocking Macca??
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Quoted from quebec38
First time seeing the goal back. I didn’t have it down as a goalkeeping error at the time and I still don’t so what was all of the silliness on Saturday night knocking Macca??


Goalkeepers are constantly coached NOT to parry the ball into dangerous positions. Somehow our esteemed keeper has managed to parry a not particularly threatening cross, which he's well positioned to cut out, directly to the Notts attacker stood on the edge of our six yard box for a tap in:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/3XbvlyF.png[/img]

Sometimes keepers can get away with it when the ball fortunately falls to a defender who can clear, but make no mistake, this goal absolutely resulted from a goalkeeping error and I can assure you it'll be viewed as much by his coaches.


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Goalkeepers are constantly coached NOT to parry the ball into dangerous positions. Somehow our esteemed keeper has managed to parry a not particularly threatening cross, which he's well positioned to cut out, directly to the Notts attacker stood on the edge of our six yard box for a tap in:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/3XbvlyF.png[/img]

Sometimes keepers can get away with it when the ball fortunately falls to a defender who can clear, but make no mistake, this goal absolutely resulted from a goalkeeping error and I can assure you it'll be viewed as much by his coaches.


For as much as I agree with you ( I was a goal keeper and it was a cardinal sin to parry back into the danger zone) you also have to question the defence, to leave their main goal threat unattended on the middle of the box should never have happened. However we look at it, it's happened with multiple failings.
On the day we did play better football than Notts but they actually defended their box better than us, narrow margins is what cost us.
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McKeown has never been without fault but I watched the BT Sport highlights programme a couple of weeks back and, my god, there were some awful goalkeeping howlers elsewhere in the division.

I know we should always strive for better, but seeing those incidents should make us realise that, all things being equal, we have a very good keeper for this level.

He may cost us the odd point here and there, but he'll also save us a few along the way too.


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Watching these just shows again we were the dominant team by far just missed the goal from our good play.


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It is difficult to get players who are playing part-time.  Usually in lower leagues.  It has been reported over time that many have well-paid jobs, topped up by football earnings.  They would lose their job and probably take an overall pay cut if they joined us.
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In the Pontoon I could not see the goal all that well - probably as I had my hands over my eyes fearing they would get a smash and grab, but looking at that it looks like a shocking mistake from the keeper. He could have put that anywhere, even out for a corner but to parry it out right into the danger area is hard to fathom.

He had virtually nothing to do all game and seemed to be caught cold.
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Looks like he could've just caught it to me!


(Admittedly I have no knowledge of playing in goal, or of football in general really)


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Some good play as shown, but the final pass or shot wasn't up to it on Saturday. As Hurst mentioned in his post-match interview, that one which Sousa played behind Clifton (and Taylor then skied the follow-up) was one where the cross should have been better. Good football in general is all well and good, but you've got to get the final touch right.

It's a real shame that Sousa seems to panic when given a sight of the goal himself. On Saturday, I was pretty much expecting him to make a hash of his shot when he ran through and I hope he is spending a lot of time practising his shooting!
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Can anyone identify the commentator? John Ward? I always think he does a good job.
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Regarding the goal, at the time I thought it was a shot, but it probably was intended as a cross. What caught McKeown out is the fact that it was hit much harder than he was expecting, hence the parry. Should have done better, but then so should the defence both in stopping the crossing opportunity and then getting into the right position to clear it after the parry.
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Quoted from Chrisblor


Goalkeepers are constantly coached NOT to parry the ball into dangerous positions. Somehow our esteemed keeper has managed to parry a not particularly threatening cross, which he's well positioned to cut out, directly to the Notts attacker stood on the edge of our six yard box for a tap in:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/3XbvlyF.png[/img]

Sometimes keepers can get away with it when the ball fortunately falls to a defender who can clear, but make no mistake, this goal absolutely resulted from a goalkeeping error and I can assure you it'll be viewed as much by his coaches.


You must have been an excellent goalkeeper.

First of all I would say that this is not a parry. This is a block of a powerful cross by Macca, with the hands, where he has recognised the danger of the wide attacker which Crookes wasn't able to get back to stop. Coke was also fairly pedestrian in trying to get to the wide attacker in covering for Crookes and doesn't get himself between the attacker and his target. So Macca has done well to get a block on this, but he is blameless and has little or no control on where that block is going to go to from such a powerful close range strike.

Thereafter your goalkeeper is reliant upon his teammates for emergency defending and recovery of the rebound. If you watch Hunt, he is very slow to get back and doesn't recover quickly to stop the Notts County goal scorer advancing on the goal to pick up the rebound.

This is the bit that bothers me about the criticism of goalkeepers. If Hunt gets back and snuffs that advancing attacker out, then you are all praising Macca for a great block save and Hunt for a great recovery run.

Nothing to be criticising the goalkeeper there for


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Quoted from joe56
Can anyone identify the commentator? John Ward? I always think he does a good job.


I think it's Graham Shearsmith. He stands in for John Moore sometimes.


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On watching the highlights again it makes me realise we were probably 60/40 on top throughout, but at the time it always felt like County had a goal in them.

County looked fit and organised, like us. I thought we edged it skill-wise, but weren't able to execute in the final third whereas they took one of only two chances.

A team like County would've walked away 3-0 winners at BP last season playing like that.

I thought we looked fit, organised and professional, and those were three things you couldn't say about us often last season. They'll be enough to win a few games this season but to stay in the title race we'll continue to need that quality that McAtee, Taylor, Sousa, Bapaga and Hunt  all bring.


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I think it's Graham Shearsmith. He stands in for John Moore sometimes.


Thanks. He does actually commentate. John is quite rightly held in high affection by Town fans. By my reckoning he’s been doing it for around 30 years. I do feel, however, that he’s been a bit repetitive at times this season.
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Not sure if it's an optical illusion in the sunshine but there appear to be a lot of empty seats in the main stand?
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I think the commentary team are great. They've been doing it for years and are very professional, passionate and accurate. I love to hear their voices and worry it just won't be the same when one, or both decide they've had enough as well.

I know a few don't particularly like Tondeur but they've all familiar voices to me that take me right back to when I first started following Town.
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For as much as I agree with you ( I was a goal keeper and it was a cardinal sin to parry back into the danger zone) you also have to question the defence, to leave their main goal threat unattended on the middle of the box should never have happened. However we look at it, it's happened with multiple failings.
On the day we did play better football than Notts but they actually defended their box better than us, narrow margins is what cost us.


Defensive set up looks fine, unless you want Towler the wrong side of Waterfall & 5 yards ahead of everyone else, or Waterfall stepping out to mark the scorer and leaving his man on the 6-yard line?

It’s the same argument every time for McKeown. I can remember having this argument when he let a ball float over his head against Barnet with Widdowson nudging it in practically on the goal line. People were blaming Efete and (I think) Waterfall for that one too!

I said in the week to someone that you could put McKeown’s failings down for almost every goal we’ve conceded this season. He’s too slow across his line, constantly beaten from outside the box, won’t catch a cross and punches the ball back into dangerous areas. People slate his distribution but I don’t think it’s that bad at all, at this level anyway.

We will not finish first with him in goal, there’s a reason Hurst put a relatively untested youngster in goal as soon as he had the chance last season. He’s only getting bench time at Portsmouth, I wouldn’t mind seeing us go back in for Eastwood if Crocombe can’t dislodge McKeown.
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On watching the highlights again it makes me realise we were probably 60/40 on top throughout, but at the time it always felt like County had a goal in them.

County looked fit and organised, like us. I thought we edged it skill-wise, but weren't able to execute in the final third whereas they took one of only two chances.

A team like County would've walked away 3-0 winners at BP last season playing like that.

I thought we looked fit, organised and professional, and those were three things you couldn't say about us often last season. They'll be enough to win a few games this season but to stay in the title race we'll continue to need that quality that McAtee, Taylor, Sousa, Bapaga and Hunt  all bring.


Agree with most of what you said but didn't think County did have a goal in them at all. Shows you what I know. However I was reasonably pleased with our display and I really like watching them at the moment  which is a far cry from.most of last season.
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Not sure if it's an optical illusion in the sunshine but there appear to be a lot of empty seats in the main stand?


Yes I've noticed the 2 large areas behind the dugouts that they never sell. I think there are about 120+ seats there. Even selling them with restricted views would still amount to a good wodge of spondoolicks each game
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Yes I've noticed the 2 large areas behind the dugouts that they never sell. I think there are about 120+ seats there. Even selling them with restricted views would still amount to a good wodge of spondoolicks each game


It's the covid zone for players and officials from both teams.
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It's one of those where live it looked like the ball was kicked harder at him that he had a hard time parrying than it was and on the highlights it seems like he could have just caught a ball kicked straight at him. Ah well nothing anyone can do about it now. The ball could have gone anywhere it just happens it landed at the feet of one of their players.

For the record I don't think Macca was at fault for the Barnet goal even after reviewing the highlights at the defence went to sleep on that. Even the commentary remarked that there was no marking of a player who just strolled to the goal line. This is really the first time I've looked at something again this season and felt like Macca should have done better with it but he seems to get the blame for basically every goal as most keepers do. The armchair coaches seem to enjoy targeting him the most, not sure if it's the fact some were an apprentice in the 60's or 70's that never made it that does it, maybe the jealousy of the goalkeeper who never made it but thinks they could do better I dunno.  
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After seeing this, I am mystified why LJL seems to take the blame for this defeat.  He had the best chance when he hit the bar with a great piece of individual play.  Sousa had the best chance to score and the other chances were just a case of the ball not falling for us.  Yes LJL skewed a shot wide but so did Taylor and some others.  Their goal was a clear error from Macca - that doesn't make him a bad keeper - but it was his mistake.  Anyway, looks like we could have won comfortably on another day.  No need to start pointless 'bubble burst' threads.
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Looking at the vid, it appears that while Macca pushes the ball away into the centre of the box Hunt failed to mark the goalscorer and let him get to the ball first. One lapse by both of them cost us the game, the margin in this match was that fine.

Another day with a full first team we would have won. Victories at Kiddy, Aldershot and home against Southend will put us back on track.


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We will not finish first with him in goal, there’s a reason Hurst put a relatively untested youngster in goal as soon as he had the chance last season. He’s only getting bench time at Portsmouth, I wouldn’t mind seeing us go back in for Eastwood if Crocombe can’t dislodge McKeown.


Hmm, i  thought Eastwood went on a emergency 7 day loan to Portsmouth earlier in the season; has he gone back there since?
Assumed he'd been back bench sitting/reserves at Sheffield United?

Either way, maybe we get to see Crocombe again on Saturday?  Hopefully this time he doesn't wear a similar kit to the opposition though......



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The “cross” from their wide player was awkward imo. It was smashed near post at the keeper so I don’t really know what else he could have done other than divert it away from the goal. If a defender had got under the ball and headed it away then you’d have to say Macca had done well. It also wasn’t a tap in either for Rodrigues ha ha.

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Mckeown mistake. More noticable as hes the last line of defence. If he didn't make mistakes he'd play in the Premiership. I'm sure he'll review it, recognise the mistake and try to amend it next time.
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Yes I've noticed the 2 large areas behind the dugouts that they never sell. I think there are about 120+ seats there. Even selling them with restricted views would still amount to a good wodge of spondoolicks each game


Not sure about the rules in the National League but in the EFL Covid rules there had to be a red area where only certain personnel could go such as players and coaching staff. Even some club staff are not allowed in there.
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After seeing this, I am mystified why LJL seems to take the blame for this defeat.  He had the best chance when he hit the bar with a great piece of individual play.  Sousa had the best chance to score and the other chances were just a case of the ball not falling for us.  Yes LJL skewed a shot wide but so did Taylor and some others.  Their goal was a clear error from Macca - that doesn't make him a bad keeper - but it was his mistake.  Anyway, looks like we could have won comfortably on another day.  No need to start pointless 'bubble burst' threads.


Maybe we need to see the other 84 minutes to reach a valid conclusion. That’s the trouble with highlights.
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I feel bad for LJL because I don’t think people consider his game when they knock him for things he doesn’t get right. On Saturday though I don’t think he even nailed his own game. His link-up overall was sloppy. He doesn’t deserve abuse though - none of the players do.
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