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From the John Humphrys piece - so why won't some people applaud the taking of the knee. "I suspect that many resent being forced to prove they are decent human beings, that don't have a racist bone in their bodies. They resent having to answer the are you with us or against us challenge. And why should they?
Quite simply, because they believe the way they lead their lives answers that question for them. They want to be judged by their deeds and not on their words.
There is something else too. They suspect that taking the knee is more about showing support for the organisation behind the gesture, than it is about showing respect for people with black skin.They do not want to support BLM, a movement with its roots in America, whose founders have admitted they want to destroy capitalism and defund the police.
They reject the idea that racism is the only legitimate prism to view the world; they don't like to see statues pulled down buildings renamed, heroes shamed and feeling like they should apologise for having a white skin.
They don't like being told - if you are with us you should applaud those who take the knee. If you're not with us, you are a racist. They are pretty good at spotting virtue signalling when they see it, and it makes them very uneasy.
So they don't applaud, and they don't boo; instead they just try to get on with their lives..."
I could not have put it better myself, and these are some of the reasons I am against taking a knee.
Your "harms no one, insults nobody" is your way of trying to paint anybody who doesn't support it in a bad light - just as Mr Humphrys said.
??? "if you are with us you should applaud"Totally incorrect,nobody even stated that. Your "harms no one, insults nobody" is your way of trying to paint anybody who doesn't support it in a bad light
Not at all. A conclusion you have drawn or the article has. Congratulations though on finding the article you seemed to have a problem with locating before.... But,but but.... |
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"if you are with us you should applaud"
Totally incorrect,nobody even stated that.
Congratulations though on finding the article you seemed to have a problem with locating before....
But,but but....
I did not have a problem locating it, I said I did not know how to post it on here. I still don't so have had to type it myself. The article is a lot longer if you care to read it. I have explained my position so we will leave it at that. |
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I did not have a problem locating it, I said I did not know how to post it on here. I still don't so have had to type it myself. The article is a lot longer if you care to read it.
I have explained my position so we will leave it at that.
Fair comment. |
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Got to say I love Croatia, its a beautiful country.
There's definitely a racist element amongst their football fans, the national team was playing behind closed doors last time we where there. However, we didn't experience any racism, even outside of the main tourist areas.
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Ok so, seems like the majority of posters on here are telling people not to boo surely they have a right to boo if they so wish, as far as I know it's not illegal, correct me if I'm wrong, so they have the right to boo those who take the knee in the same way those who take the knee have that same right to take the knee! Just saying......................
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Yes they have a right to boo. But they need to know it’s deeply insulting to those who choose to take a knee and therefore, by extension, even more insulting to those who just want to be treated equally.
To be honest, I think all of us are in agreement that the booing is bad. It’s fine to disagree and have problems with the gesture of taking the knee, but has anyone here on this thread said explicitly that they would boo?
Trying to find some common ground here.
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Ok so, seems like the majority of posters on here are telling people not to boo surely they have a right to boo if they so wish, as far as I know it's not illegal, correct me if I'm wrong, so they have the right to boo those who take the knee in the same way those who take the knee have that same right to take the knee! Just saying......................
The same argument is trotted out by people who boo Town players when they have a bad game. "I've paid my money, so I have a right to boo" they say. In either instance, it's not very constructive is it? |
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Ok so, seems like the majority of posters on here are telling people not to boo surely they have a right to boo if they so wish, as far as I know it's not illegal, correct me if I'm wrong, so they have the right to boo those who take the knee in the same way those who take the knee have that same right to take the knee! Just saying......................
Of course you e got the right to boo. No one is saying that you haven’t. Of course, by booing you’d be showing that your a male private. |
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It’s incredibly ironic that the same people who are crying over this are usually the same types to call everyone snowflakes. Looks like that’s right.
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From the John Humphrys piece - so why won't some people applaud the taking of the knee. "I suspect that many resent being forced to prove they are decent human beings, that don't have a racist bone in their bodies. They resent having to answer the are you with us or against us challenge. And why should they?
Quite simply, because they believe the way they lead their lives answers that question for them. They want to be judged by their deeds and not on their words.
There is something else too. They suspect that taking the knee is more about showing support for the organisation behind the gesture, than it is about showing respect for people with black skin.They do not want to support BLM, a movement with its roots in America, whose founders have admitted they want to destroy capitalism and defund the police.
They reject the idea that racism is the only legitimate prism to view the world; they don't like to see statues pulled down buildings renamed, heroes shamed and feeling like they should apologise for having a white skin.
They don't like being told - if you are with us you should applaud those who take the knee. If you're not with us, you are a racist. They are pretty good at spotting virtue signalling when they see it, and it makes them very uneasy.
So they don't applaud, and they don't boo; instead they just try to get on with their lives..."
I could not have put it better myself, and these are some of the reasons I am against taking a knee.
Your "harms no one, insults nobody" is your way of trying to paint anybody who doesn't support it in a bad light - just as Mr Humphrys said.
Did you stand on you’re doorstep applauding the NHS? Where you against players applauding the NHS before games? Just asking since you are so against virtue signalling? |
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