Hanson to Harrogate & Green gone?

Hanson to Harrogate is the F.B. rumour; apparently he said his goodbyes yesterday.

And Crofty said this was Green's final game. Did he say that and if so, was that fact or just hope?

Well fair play to Hanson if so. League club closer to home

Quoted from forza ivano

Hanson to Harrogate is the F.B. rumour; apparently he said his goodbyes yesterday.

Someone posted that 2 weeks ago...

[url]https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1619294205/highlight-Harrogate/id-1468213#id1468213[/url]

i hope he scores more for them than us.

Not fit enough

He will never get fit enough to be a regular starter for anybody

Quoted from Hagrid

Well fair play to Hanson if so. League club closer to home

Thought he was garbage this season. Amazing a League club wants to gamble on someone so injury prone. I’d wish him luck but he was one of the reasons we went down this year so good riddance .2k a week for that? Red Cross all you like. I’m right.

Makes sense Jon Stead has just retired

Quoted from bawarmy

Thought he was garbage this season. Amazing a League club wants to gamble on someone so injury prone. I’d wish him luck but he was one of the reasons we went down this year so good riddance .2k a week for that? Red Cross all you like. I’m right.

100% with you on that.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Someone posted that 2 weeks ago...

[url]https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1619294205/highlight-Harrogate/id-1468213#id1468213[/url]

Looks like that "person" that posted 2 weeks ago posted Harrogate with a ?lmark, so just taking a stab at his next club

Quoted from bawarmy

Thought he was garbage this season. Amazing a League club wants to gamble on someone so injury prone. I’d wish him luck but he was one of the reasons we went down this year so good riddance .2k a week for that? Red Cross all you like. I’m right.

I'm not disputing it, but where do these figures come from? I often see them thrown around on here. Just curious.

Football Manager, I think

Hanson was maybe good in his day but now he's too injury prone. In addition, we also become too predictable when he's playing and try to get it to the big man.  The opposition put two defenders on him and he's toast. As for Matt Green, I'll miss his prolific goal scoring.

Quoted from Mayaman

Hanson was maybe good in his day but now he's too injury prone. In addition, we also become too predictable when he's playing and try to get it to the big man.  The opposition put two defenders on him and he's toast. As for Matt Green, I'll miss his prolific goal scoring.

If they do then that’s one less to mark another striker. Obviously part our problem has been not having an effective striker to accompany him.

Surely none of them two players get a league 2 club

No offence but aslong as they're not in a GTFC shirt next season I don't care where they end up. We need better to challenge for promotion.

Think you also have to take into account how bad we have been as a team and a club the last few seasons. The strikers get a lot of the flak for not scoring goals, but chance creation is virtually zero in a team as bad as we have been. Many a player has come here to die, mostly for good as a footballer because we usually acquire them that the ar$e end of their career, and you can't blame them for trying to keep earning a living as a footballer.

But there are other, younger players who have come here and been castigated as utter sh1te, only to go on and flourish at other clubs. This club has been a graveyard to players, who have had pretty decent careers elsewhere.

Quoted from ginnywings

Think you also have to take into account how bad we have been as a team and a club the last few seasons. The strikers get a lot of the flak for not scoring goals, but chance creation is virtually zero in a team as bad as we have been. Many a player has come here to die, mostly for good as a footballer because we usually acquire them that the ar$e end of their career, and you can't blame them for trying to keep earning a living as a footballer.

But there are other, younger players who have come here and been castigated as utter sh1te, only to go on and flourish at other clubs. This club has been a graveyard to players, who have had pretty decent careers elsewhere.

Spot on regards the strikers chances, certainly in Hansons case as he is a far post headed finish type of striker. Harrogate have or had  that Beck fella dont they and Stead so they are already used to utilising that type of player,  I think Hanson would be a decent fit for them as the service is already established.
We gambled on Hanson being the big threat for the team but hardly gave him a cross.
Green....just 3-4 seasons  past his best really....not his fault....clubs lack of due diligence again I would think.

Other than a bad run of injuries on his day Hanson is a handful with the right supply, something he hardly benefitted from in his time with Town.

We wouldn’t want to carry someone like that if we’re serious about getting back into the EFL at the earliest opportunity.

I don’t wish any of the departing players anything but good luck with the rest of their professional careers, a few of them will need it.

I wonder if the new owners will be smart enough to prevent players salaries from becoming common knowledge or is it just the figures thrown around for the likes of Hanson or Green are just Facebook myths? I suspect so.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Other than a bad run of injuries on his day Hanson is a handful with the right supply, something he hardly benefitted from in his time with Town.

We wouldn’t want to carry someone like that if we’re serious about getting back into the EFL at the earliest opportunity.

I don’t wish any of the departing players anything but good luck with the rest of their professional careers, a few of them will need it.

I wonder if the new owners will be smart enough to prevent players salaries from becoming common knowledge or is it just the figures thrown around for the likes of Hanson or Green are just Facebook myths? I suspect so.

Arent the salaries published in the accounts ? Not by name but indicated as a figure, and you can kind of work out that the most senior/ profiled player would be one of the top ones?

I think sometimes we can have a rough estimate how much a player is paid, remember Green was at Lincoln on a good wage and Salford would have been a good wage so I think it's a pretty decent bet that he would be one of our highest paid player, just like Hanson would be.

wasn't there also some sort of corroboration when Macca demanded a pay rise so that he had parity with Hanson and the other best paid players?
Personally from the bits i know of pro's wages those figures seem realistic. ( West Ham reserve became a squad player at Bolton at no less than £10k p.w., another player signed for That Fat C**t at Crawley for £6,000 per week, and was still earning over £1000 p.w. in the Conference 3 or 4 years later)
Williams, for example, is a former premiership and International player. There is no way he'd have moved , geographically, so far out of his comfort zone to be on £750- £1000 per week.
Equally it was stated that Hanson had taken a pay cut, so that he could be closer to home, and was said to be on £3k per week at 1st division Wimbledon

Quoted from KingstonMariner

If they do then that’s one less to mark another striker. Obviously part our problem has been not having an effective striker to accompany him.

Historically strikers work best in pairs. Rafferty & Portwood, Tees & Green, Tees & Brace, Drinkell & Wymark, Lump & Reddy, Amond & Bogle ......... there are exceptions but by and large two’s company and one just gets lost. You need two strikers to pull defenders around and make space and one striker at least has to be a regular goal scorer.

A lot has been said bout our failure to make chances but real strikers make their own and make them for other players as well. Yesterday we had 11 shots, 2 on target, no goals. Cambridge had 5 shots, 4 on target, 3 goals. Not typical perhaps but it makes the point. We keep making excuses about strikers being hard to find but other sides seem to find them. Then they play to their strengths.

I was brought up on Scott and Fell on the wings. The ball went out there quickly they crossed it well to Hunt and Rafferty who were both bullet headers of the ball and knackered centre backs with their ability in the air. Town were famed  for this for some years. Later on we had Mendonca’s pace and remember how the ball was slipped through to him round the box?
I’m not suggesting we go back to the 60s or 90s but we need to get another dangerous pairing with ability to damage a defence and then play to their strengths and stop blaming the midfield for not creating chances.

My worry about Hurst and strikers is that he can’t pick ‘em very well. He would never have signed Bogle had it not been for us raising the money because Fenty wouldn’t stump up. He did well getting Amond but he never seemed satisfied with his just scoring goals. The success he has had with strikers has been more luck than judgement. I admire his team building but this time he needs to get a couple of really good (for NL level) strikers to occupy the minds of defenders. The midfield will follow. Since Christmas defenders have been able to go home, bed the wife or whoever and come back for the last five minutes with our score still blank.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

My worry about Hurst and strikers is that he can’t pick ‘em very well. He would never have signed Bogle had it not been for us raising the money because Fenty wouldn’t stump up. He did well getting Amond but he never seemed satisfied with his just scoring goals. The success he has had with strikers has been more luck than judgement.

Insane.

He signed Bogle (16 first season, 19 in half a second season), Hearn (27 in first season), Hannah (10 first season, 14 the next), Amond (33 in one season), John Lewis (7 then 18 ) and Andy Cook (11 first season). Even Ollie Palmer got 8 in 16 having spent half a season on Mansfield’s bench.  He was in for Akinde, Ladapo, Lyle Taylor and Andre Gray when they were all playing below the conference, who knows what might’ve been with a better budget.

Hannah, LJL and Amond came from faltering league careers, the rest from the conference or below. When was the last time we had a manager consistently deliver at least one striker getting double figures for about 5 years on the bounce? Before Alan Connell, the last striker we had with 20 goals was Mendonca.

Quoted from ska face

Insane.

He signed Bogle (16 first season, 19 in half a second season), Hearn (27 in first season), Hannah (10 first season, 14 the next), Amond (33 in one season), John Lewis (7 then 18 ) and Andy Cook (11 first season). Even Ollie Palmer got 8 in 16 having spent half a season on Mansfield’s bench.  He was in for Akinde, Ladapo, Lyle Taylor and Andre Gray when they were all playing below the conference, who knows what might’ve been with a better budget.

Hannah, LJL and Amond came from faltering league careers, the rest from the conference or below. When was the last time we had a manager consistently deliver at least one striker getting double figures for about 5 years on the bounce? Before Alan Connell, the last striker we had with 20 goals was Mendonca.

He's got a point about Hurst not being happy with a striker who 'just' scores goals tho  - both bogle and amond (49 goals between them!) Dropped during that season at certain stages for not working hard enough and neither were lazy or 'only' scored goals. Bogle would hold it up well. Amond brought others into the game and worked hard.

I agree that Hurst can spot a player, strikers included, its the utilisation that is the concern. No manager is perfect though and I am happy with Hurst, he's a long term builder who always did well at this level even under fentys 'competitive' budget and infrastructure.

Christ. 50yrs plus of watching football and still hasnt a clue.
Mendonca ran his socks off but I definitely wouldn't describe him as having pace. If he had, he'd probably have a few England caps

Quoted from ska face

Insane.

He signed Bogle (16 first season, 19 in half a second season), Hearn (27 in first season), Hannah (10 first season, 14 the next), Amond (33 in one season), John Lewis (7 then 18 ) and Andy Cook (11 first season). Even Ollie Palmer got 8 in 16 having spent half a season on Mansfield’s bench.  He was in for Akinde, Ladapo, Lyle Taylor and Andre Gray when they were all playing below the conference, who knows what might’ve been with a better budget.

Hannah, LJL and Amond came from faltering league careers, the rest from the conference or below. When was the last time we had a manager consistently deliver at least one striker getting double figures for about 5 years on the bounce? Before Alan Connell, the last striker we had with 20 goals was Mendonca.

You have a way with words Ska!😜

I think Hearn makes the point about playing to a striker’s strengths. Speed and the ability to hold off a defender encouraged the right sort of passes from Disney & co. Desperately unlucky with his injury. Interesting that Connell and Hearn were both prolific scorers but neither got us promoted. The pairing of Bogle and Amond did (eventually )

A player making double figures in a 46 game season is hardly outstanding enough to brag about though is it? Unless he is one of 3 or 4 to do it which we saw with Buckley’s teams.

Excuse me, Asylum lunch break is over now, must go for my meds.

How can people have a worry that Hurst can't pick strikers very well on the basis he wouldn't have signed Bogle if it wasn't for Operation Promotion as Fenty would have coughed up, so if Operation Promotion wasn't established and we never signed Bogle does that mean it would be Hurst's fault we didn't sign Bogle? No of course not Hurst clearly spotted and scouted Bogle, that wasn't the fans who did that... So I don't see how saying he wouldn't have been able to sign Bogle if it wasn't for the fans is any of Hurst's fault and I don't think it helps support the argument that Hurst can't spot a striker which also I think is bullshit.

Quoted from nightrider

Christ. 50yrs plus of watching football and still hasnt a clue.
Mendonca ran his socks off but I definitely wouldn't describe him as having pace. If he had, he'd probably have a few England caps

I saw Mendonca playing for Sheffield United juniors as a teenager. He was the same age as Wilkinson and Lund. He looked a bit flash to be honest. He never had absolute pace especially after being injured he did have a football brain to lose a marker for a second and was able to gain the vital yard or two around the box. You will note, that’s what I said.

Must've been playing a few years above his age  

Quoted from moosey_club

Arent the salaries published in the accounts ? Not by name but indicated as a figure, and you can kind of work out that the most senior/ profiled player would be one of the top ones?

Just look at the cars in the players car park, no three wheelers in there.

Quoted from Davec

How can people have a worry that Hurst can't pick strikers very well on the basis he wouldn't have signed Bogle if it wasn't for Operation Promotion as Fenty would have coughed up, so if Operation Promotion wasn't established and we never signed Bogle does that mean it would be Hurst's fault we didn't sign Bogle? No of course not Hurst clearly spotted and scouted Bogle, that wasn't the fans who did that... So I don't see how saying he wouldn't have been able to sign Bogle if it wasn't for the fans is any of Hurst's fault and I don't think it helps support the argument that Hurst can't spot a striker which also I think is bullshit.

I think every lower league manager spotted and scouted Bogle, Dave! His record meant it wasn’t hard, and the fee was virtually being auctioned by Solihull. Would Fenty have coughed up? Who knows? I think not but you are entitled to give him the benefit. I don’t blame Hurst for it by any means. Certainly purse strings had a big effect on possible signings and I appreciate strikers are at a premium.
But signing marque players was the point of OP wasn’t it? The things happened simultaneously almost. I just had the impression Hurst felt railroaded into that transfer when he might have had ideas to use the OP money differently. And I still think overall he is a better picker of defenders and midfielders than forwards.
Anyway, water under the bridge now. Let’s see how we do with the purse strings loosened.

Quoted from nightrider

Christ. 50yrs plus of watching football and still hasnt a clue.
Mendonca ran his socks off but I definitely wouldn't describe him as having pace. If he had, he'd probably have a few England caps

Just checked who might have played for at international level - he's nephew of a West Indian Test wk from Guyana - he would certainly have played for them if he'd wanted to - he'd have been their cult hero as well.

Quoted from Abdul19

Must've been playing a few years above his age  

He was Abdul, a year or two, and Wilkie and Lund maybe were out of Town Juniors but even Sheffield U didn’t keep him, he was released and picked up by Donnie Rovers. They got him back later but I think Buckley made him, gave himself that trademark of the good striker, finding space in the box.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I think every lower league manager spotted and scouted Bogle, Dave! His record meant it wasn’t hard, and the fee was virtually being auctioned by Solihull. Would Fenty have coughed up? Who knows? I think not but you are entitled to give him the benefit. I don’t blame Hurst for it by any means. Certainly purse strings had a big effect on possible signings and I appreciate strikers are at a premium.
But signing marque players was the point of OP wasn’t it? The things happened simultaneously almost. I just had the impression Hurst felt railroaded into that transfer when he might have had ideas to use the OP money differently. And I still think overall he is a better picker of defenders and midfielders than forwards.
Anyway, water under the bridge now. Let’s see how we do with the purse strings loosened.

The Omar move was already identified and agreed before OP. And I believe the money was promised by a shareholder not named JF.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Clive Mendonca was repeatedly signed on the back of his striking success with Rotherham United.
I put this on a par with signing Joe Waters from Leicester in that both those players felt super loved to give back to the fans big time - whilst they played for us.

Quoted from bax

The Omar move was already identified and agreed before OP. And I believe the money was promised by a shareholder not named JF.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

That's my understanding too. The fans like to think they funded the Bogle transfer but I'm sure he was to be signed regardless. It was JF's negotiations over the deal that led him to recruit Bignot as manager.

Quoted from moosey_club

Arent the salaries published in the accounts ? Not by name but indicated as a figure, and you can kind of work out that the most senior/ profiled player would be one of the top ones?

Completely, the exit of Green and Hanson will surely free up a decent percentage of the budget.

Quoted from ginnywings

That's my understanding too. The fans like to think they funded the Bogle transfer but I'm sure he was to be signed regardless. It was JF's negotiations over the deal that led him to recruit Bignot as manager.

Thats certainly what fenty claimed (that bogle was already to be signed regardless of OP) but then I seem to remember bogle saying he thought it was OP that paid for him and he felt extra pressure because of it. It was in an interview he did in the last year or so I seem to think. Could be wrong.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

My worry about Hurst and strikers is that he can’t pick ‘em very well. He would never have signed Bogle had it not been for us raising the money because Fenty wouldn’t stump up. He did well getting Amond but he never seemed satisfied with his just scoring goals. The success he has had with strikers has been more luck than judgement. I admire his team building but this time he needs to get a couple of really good (for NL level) strikers to occupy the minds of defenders. The midfield will follow. Since Christmas defenders have been able to go home, bed the wife or whoever and come back for the last five minutes with our score still blank.

This has to be some of the biggest load of rubbish on here in ages.. Regardless of Operation Promotion, Hurst still signed Bogle. Doesn't matter where the money came from or who would or wouldn't have stumped up for him. He still saw him as a player who was worth signing and then got more out of him in the professional leagues than anyone else has managed to since.

Plus as Ska pointed out Amond and Hearn were literally the club's two top scorers in a single season for the last 30 years.

Quoted from mariner91

This has to be some of the biggest load of rubbish on here in ages.. Regardless of Operation Promotion, Hurst still signed Bogle. Doesn't matter where the money came from or who would or wouldn't have stumped up for him. He still saw him as a player who was worth signing and then got more out of him in the professional leagues than anyone else has managed to since.

Plus as Ska pointed out Amond and Hearn were literally the club's two top scorers in a single season for the last 30 years.

You are entitled to your opinion as is Ska.

We shall have to see how it goes now the budget restrictions are eased won't we?

Quoted from toontown

Thats certainly what fenty claimed (that bogle was already to be signed regardless of OP) but then I seem to remember bogle saying he thought it was OP that paid for him and he felt extra pressure because of it. It was in an interview he did in the last year or so I seem to think. Could be wrong.

If Fenty claimed it then I seriously doubt it 😆

Actually Old Shut Up (remember him?) said the money gor Bogle was already earmarked when OP came along.

Hurst had attempted to sign Bogle 12 months earlier. I can’t quite remember why it didn’t happen, but definitely wasn’t cash. It was either  the club refused to sell, or Bogle wanted one more season

Quoted from blundellpork

Hurst had attempted to sign Bogle 12 months earlier. I can’t quite remember why it didn’t happen, but definitely wasn’t cash. It was either  the club refused to sell, or Bogle wanted one more season

Bignob felt he wasnt ready for a move at that time

Quoted from toontown

He's got a point about Hurst not being happy with a striker who 'just' scores goals tho  - both bogle and amond (49 goals between them!) Dropped during that season at certain stages for not working hard enough and neither were lazy or 'only' scored goals. Bogle would hold it up well. Amond brought others into the game and worked hard.

I agree that Hurst can spot a player, strikers included, its the utilisation that is the concern. No manager is perfect though and I am happy with Hurst, he's a long term builder who always did well at this level even under fentys 'competitive' budget and infrastructure.

The fact that both Bogle and Amond have recently spoken very highly of Hurst suggests that the dropping of them and asking them to do more was something that benefited them as individuals.  

Amond was dropped quite controversially for Ben Tomlinson, who Hurst brought in on loan.  Tomlinson was pretty much a spectacular fail but what he did bring was, as he always did when lining up against us, was a first class work-rate.  He just ran and ran and ran.  Ultimately he also brought very little quality.  But I think Hurst wanted to show Amond that he needed to offer more to his game than just putting chances away.  

Hurst identified the talent in the first place, then worked with them to make them even better.  That's really good management in my eyes.

I would of been happy with Hanson next season if the contract worked for us.

I liked him, and wasn't one of many that wasn't arsed when out playing for us.

Good pro, but ultimately, injuries are now a problem

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I saw Mendonca playing for Sheffield United juniors as a teenager. He was the same age as Wilkinson and Lund. He looked a bit flash to be honest. He never had absolute pace especially after being injured he did have a football brain to lose a marker for a second and was able to gain the vital yard or two around the box. You will note, that’s what I said.

No he wasn't he is 52. Those two are 56.

Wouldn't be surprised if Green ended up at Boston

Quoted from VinnyGTFC

No he wasn't he is 52. Those two are 56.

You are right, Paul and Gary may have just finished in the old Northern Intermediate League. Birthdays meant players could be 19 for most of the season in this under 18 league, and Clive was just starting out so the gap was effectively narrower. I can’t remember if they played against each other. Please see my reply to Abdul.

He was regarded as a bit of a prodigy but I have a feeling he got injured in his teens before being released, picked up by Donny and then Rotherham where he did really well and Sheffield United re-signed him. I’m not sure when he had that serious knee injury but he didn’t figure much for United as at the time he was considered an injury risk. We took him on loan before signing permanently.

Quoted from Yoda

i hope he scores more for them than us.

He might do if he plays more games for them than he has done in his time with us

Quoted from The Yard Dog

Just look at the cars in the players car park, no three wheelers in there.

That's true.....

Even when we had Liam Trotter on loan, I bet he didn't have a Reliant Robin!  

Quoted from bax

The Omar move was already identified and agreed before OP. And I believe the money was promised by a shareholder not named JF.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Lee Mullen funded the Bogle transfer, a lot of the dealings in the deal was very very dodgy on our behalf.

imho Hurst has a bloody good record at spotting players - His loan signings for Shrews , when at the bottom of League 1, include Freddy Ladapo (now Rotherham) Tyler Roberts (now Leeds). The following season he got Dean Henderson & Daniel James (both Moan u) , Ben Godfrey (now Everton) & Max Lowe (now Sheff U).


And it's continued here - who'd heard of Matete or Menayese before, and there were howls of derision when he eventually recruited Coke, and all 3 turned out to be in our top 5 players