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The Yard Dog
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There are 12 founding members of the European Super League. This includes six Premier League sides – Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur – as well as Atletico Madrid, Barcelona and Real Madrid from La Liga and AC Milan, Inter Milan and Juventus from Serie A.

This is the reason why,

1. Manchester City - Not so long ago, plying their trade in Championship and League 1 - Manchester City have posted a net loss of £126m for the 2019-20 season after their finances took a hit from the Covid-19 pandemic.
https://www.skysports.com/foot.....coronavirus-pandemic

2. Manchester United - Owned by Yanks - net debt has grown to £455.5 million, an increase of £64.2 million compared to last year, according to their second-quarter financial results
https://theathletic.com/news/manchester-united-debt-revenue-losses/gg8mdEPziHtB

3. Liverpool - Owned by Yanks - Liverpool FC revenue drops £44m as impact of no fans hits finances
https://www.thisisanfield.com/.....ow-of-empty-anfield/

4. Arsenal - Owned by Yanks - So, why is it that Arsenal appear to be in such a difficult financial situation? Arsenal have embraced a self-sustainable model, but it is founded upon Champions League football. For two decades under Arsene Wenger, that was almost viewed as a given. But those days are gone.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/new.....r1l5k2r129w96et964eb

5. Chelsea - Bankrolled

6. Tottenham - Tottenham's gross debt totals £831million, with £140million owed in transfer debt, £96million in tax debt, £9million in trade creditors and £102million in other creditors equalling the total of £1.177bn.
https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/daniel-levy-tottenham-stadium-debt-19804839

7. AC Milan - Reported 100 million loss but have 0 debt
https://acmilan.theoffside.com.....proving-gazidis-news

8. Inter Milan - The Chinese owners of Inter Milan are rushing to raise at least $200m in emergency cash
https://www.ft.com/content/7fdc9a56-75c9-4101-b5c5-bf827a0e7b1d

9. Juventus - Juventus has admitted that they might sell some of their players to balance the books after reporting some financial losses recently.
https://www.juvefc.com/juventus-tipped-to-sell-players-after-financial-losses/

10. Atletico Madrid - Atlético Madrid’s debt has reached €999 million (US$1.19 billion) following the 2019/20 season, according to digital soccer outlet Goal.
https://www.sportspromedia.com.....ing-revenues-la-liga

11. Barcelona - the club are on the verge of bankruptcy. The club are €1,173m in debt, with €730m of that sum due in the short term while €266m is owed to the banks by 30 June, of which €90m is owed to Goldman Sachs.
https://www.football-espana.ne.....-e730m-in-short-term

12. Real Madrid -  the gross total debt figure at Madrid now stands at a whopping €901m with the net debt at a figure of €355m.
https://www.football-espana.net/2021/01/27/real-madrid-accounts-reveal-club-in-concerning-e901m-debt

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where is the money coming from to fund this league?

What happens if Sky and other TV companies aren't interested and it doesn't get coverage?

Spurs and Arsenal will get hammered every week by Europe's elite. Their fans won't want to fork out to watch them being humiliated every week so their shiny new stadiums will be empty.

Barcelona are owned by their fans, so how on earth are they going to get it past them?

I cannot see this ever happening, and it stinks of brinkmanship ahead of negotiations for TV and other rights that are coming up. It looks like the governing bodies have seen through it though, (for once!) and the so called big six have shot themselves in the foot. It takes some doing, getting FIFA, UAFA, Premier League, fans of Man. Utd and Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal united to fight a common cause, but the have managed the impossible over this!
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Quoted from mimma

where is the money coming from to fund this league?

What happens if Sky and other TV companies aren't interested and it doesn't get coverage?

Spurs and Arsenal will get hammered every week by Europe's elite. Their fans won't want to fork out to watch them being humiliated every week so their shiny new stadiums will be empty.

Barcelona are owned by their fans, so how on earth are they going to get it past them?

I cannot see this ever happening, and it stinks of brinkmanship ahead of negotiations for TV and other rights that are coming up. It looks like the governing bodies have seen through it though, (for once!) and the so called big six have shot themselves in the foot. It takes some doing, getting FIFA, UAFA, Premier League, fans of Man. Utd and Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal united to fight a common cause, but the have managed the impossible over this!


Me thinks Amazon Prime will be involved somewhere in the TV rights, they have been itching to get involved in PL.  Again they are Yanks who are only interested in profit.

On a personal note I detest Amazon.  The pay no tax's in UK so other UK companies can not compete, they have no enviromental morals ( just look at the volume of packaging they use ), and they have zero respect for thier employees.
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Me thinks Amazon Prime will be involved somewhere in the TV rights, they have been itching to get involved in PL.  Again they are Yanks who are only interested in profit.

On a personal note I detest Amazon.  The pay no tax's in UK so other UK companies can not compete, they have no enviromental morals ( just look at the volume of packaging they use ), and they have zero respect for thier employees.


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Quoted from mimma

where is the money coming from to fund this league?



The US investment bank and now good samaritan philanthropist and also keen football fan JP Morgan are funding it.



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Me thinks Amazon Prime will be involved somewhere in the TV rights, they have been itching to get involved in PL.  Again they are Yanks who are only interested in profit.

On a personal note I detest Amazon.  The pay no tax's in UK so other UK companies can not compete, they have no enviromental morals ( just look at the volume of packaging they use ), and they have zero respect for thier employees.


Not defending Amazon in any way but you've more or less just described most global companies.


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The Real President said the ESL was created to save football.  

So it’s ok then. We are all wrong.

The arrogance of this statement is truly breathtaking.  Even the Nazi’s struggled to justify their actions to this degree in public.

On a par with inviting convicted fraudsters into a club. The ESL is on a massive scale though.  Although just as corrupt.

Football will go mega bucks one way, and open, competitive integrity the other way.  

When the cartel and closed shop finish in 23 years time, they will invent new ways of making money.


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Football has been on the verge of something like this for years. The money has been getting more and more ridiculous. At least the pyramid and promotion/relegation has always been a part of it though, which cannot he said for this shite.

Honestly can’t see this Super League going ahead anyway. Think the government will step in if they have to.
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Sky last night put out a statement, saying that they have not been involved, not to say they will.
Was listening to Simon Jordan on Talksport yesterday, he feels that this is a ploy for the bigger teams, to get a bigger slice of the TV revenue from the Champions League and guranteed revenue, by making it members only ie not have to qualify.
Also it will allow the clubs to stream the games, potentially generating more revenue.
Each club will receive 300 million guaranteed + streaming revenue, plus a share of the TV rights from their domestic tv rights.
Also JP Morgan wants a piece of the action, another Yank business.

So each of the Premier teams will be a least 300 million better off, than other Premier team not in the European Super league.
No team will be able to compete financially and what will be the point to win the Premiershit, with no chance of European football.
The Yanks will kill the game as we know it.

Most of these clubs are struggling financially, due to paying silly money to players and agents, until this is address, the problem will just get worse. The problem is we have allowed our clubs to be 100% owned by foreigner owners.

A power struggle is threatening to reshape European soccer, and the UEFA Champions League, the biggest club competition in the world, is poised to take a massive hit.



On Sunday, 12 of Europe’s top soccer clubs announced they were splitting away from the Champions League establishment to form a “Super League.” The new organization represents an existential threat to football associations across the continent and a direct attack on UEFA, which derived 51% of its revenue—$2.37 billion—from Champions League media rights in 2018-19. The rebel collective is being funded at the start by JPMorgan, which has reportedly made a commitment to the Super League of at least $4 billion.

Broadcast fees for the upstart could be enormous. UEFA pulls in nearly $4 billion annually from media rights across all of its competitions, triple the amount it collected in 2011-12, according to the association’s latest financial report. The Super League’s broadcast package itself could amount to hundreds of millions annually, and it has a massive opportunity to blend traditional linear television rights with streaming, subscription, gambling and social media in a globally unprecedented, fully integrated manner. The league can count on the popularity of its members and an increasingly favorable regulatory environment to boost its ceiling as well.

UEFA, the administrative body overseeing European soccer and one of six continental subsidiaries of FIFA, runs competitions among national teams like the quadrennial European Championship as well as the world-renowned Champions League. It manages prize money, controls media rights and sets regulations for its 55 member associations.

The Super League’s founding members are some of the world’s most valuable sports teams, collectively worth $37.2 billion: Spain’s Atlético de Madrid, Real Madrid and FC Barcelona; Italy’s AC Milan, Inter Milan and Juventus; and the U.K.’s Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur. Losing those teams would deprive UEFA of the massive crowds that gather to watch superstars like Juventus’ Cristiano Ronaldo, Barcelona’s Lionel Messi and Liverpool’s Mohamed Salah.

The move, while bold, is no surprise, says sports consultant Marc Ganis. Rumblings of a clandestine operation circled the global soccer landscape for years as player-transfer costs and salaries rose to what many in the soccer world gripe are “obscene levels,” according to Ganis. The explosion in media rights fees and new team owners flooding the sport with money have offered clubs some opportunity to seek even greater financial security. The economic uncertainty of the Covid-19 pandemic and resulting lockdowns further exacerbated “an already-imbalanced situation.” The announcement of the Super League is a step further.

“There’s a lot at stake for FIFA, UEFA and the national federations,” Dr. Kenneth Cortsen, a sports economist at University College of Northern Denmark, says of the power struggle now playing out in the media. “They know that the big clubs have a lot of negotiating power and a lot of consumer appeal because they have the best players. What’s at stake here is soccer’s integrity, soccer’s identity and soccer’s soul, but also significant resources in terms of revenues that UEFA would like to protect.”

The absence of high-end, internationally recognized teams, and their star players, could significantly depress the value of UEFA’s broadcast offering. Clubs have to qualify for the Champions League every year and aren’t guaranteed a spot in the competition. And although broadcast deals tend to be enforceable as long as games are played, a tournament of this magnitude without some of Europe’s most popular clubs could compel broadcasters to rethink their deals in the region and around the world. ViacomCBS and Univision together spend a reported $150 million annually on the American rights to the Champions League, with CBS making the matches a key component of its Paramount+ streaming offering.

“Even if the broadcasters don’t have a legal right to terminate or renegotiate, they would very well look to a voluntary renegotiation of the existing deals,” Ganis says. “Change has been in the air for some time.”

Still, the breakaway will be tricky for the new league, which needs to cement its efforts in the face of pushback from existing soccer governing organizations. A statement from UEFA went as far as to threaten banning players from the domestic, European and world stages, which could bar global stars like Ronaldo and Messi from playing with their national teams.

“I believe with the things that we have seen so far that it will end with a compromise between FIFA, UEFA, national football associations and the leagues and these 12 clubs,” Cortsen says. He adds, “However, I think we could see FIFA, UEFA, national football associations and leagues claw with their fingernails to protect their current position in the global hierarchy of professional football.”



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