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I agree with the OP . He’s made us hard to beat but we can’t get results with his tactics and don’t get me started on his substitutions when we need to get a result. Fresh start from top to bottom required to restart GTFC.
We just had 8 results in a row that still keeps us in L2 for the moment.
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We're hardly setting up for a draw with three strikers on the pitch in the last four matches.
I do think looking at Hursts overall record since returning is a tad unfair, Holloways team was in complete freefall with only that random win against Scunthorpe in what was a truly abject match standing apart. Those first few games with that team were highly unlikely to yield any points under any manager imho. We were NLN standard.
Post Cheltenham Hurst said he thought he was getting the best out of the players at his disposal, I'm not sure how we can disagree with that, we just held the best team in the division to a draw. I'm not gonna say could have, would have, should have for some of those other recent matches because we didn't, but its certainly been fine margins for us.
I'll admit it is hard to look at it objectively because we are cut adrift at the bottom of the table, and I suppose it can be said "well Hurst did bring a lot of these players in". I guess he just brought in a mid table side when we needed something better, however that something better is more easily said than done.
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Did it though, we failed miserably with their goal and it was down to Macca to keep the score at 1-1 because the defence couldn't cope with their throw ins and corners.
You are totally wrong there. Waterfall was NOT responsible for their goal, there were either 3 or 4 Town players in front of him and he couldn't get to the ball. And they only scored with 1 throw in out of the numerous throw ins they had. Waterfall was a rock at the heart off the defence, winning headers all day long and blocking tackle too. MotM for me, it just seems that for some reason, some fans like to pick out several of our players and give them a hard time on here. I sometimes wonder if these obnoxious 'fans' have watch3ed the game, or if the did, know nothing about football.
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We just had 8 results in a row that still keeps us in L2 for the moment.
Merely prolonging the inevitable not keeping us in it. These draws are nothing more then keeping someone on life support with no cure in sight (wins). As for the original OPs post. Its far too late, should of been done by mid to end of Feb if we were going to do it.
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Looking at their goal again we had the 3 centre-halves + Hanson + Habergham (and he's quite tall) and no one could prevent a virtually free header.
If you run that goal back a few times, you will see that we had 4 players close to the scorer, then Hanson a bit further away, and Waterfall a bit further away from Hanson too. Now, we can't have 6 players all on the same spot trying to win the ball, we have to have players beyond that spot in case they get a flick on. I suspect that was where Waterfall was to be and that Hanson was meant to challenge the header of the ball, but with 4 of our smaller players in his way, he couldn't get through.
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Managers always take the flak and in many ways rightly so...someone has to be accountable GKs and defenders come next on the pecking order of criticism - again, rightly so on occasion
But it's very rare forwards 'cop it' game after game with the same level of feeling
It's worth pointing out the appalling misses in last two games from Lenny (Salford at the end) and yesterday when Hanson and Green wasted golden chances with pathetic, half-hearted, panicky efforts
But crap like "well, at least he was in the right place to miss it..." is always trotted out Or "he's just lacking a bit of confidence at the minute" - bollox...it's their main job that they practice day after day
I don't expect an 80% conversion rate at L2 (they wouldn't be play8ing at gtfc) but 2 out of 5? Is that unreasonable?
So we can blame Hurst for tactics all we like; GKs and defenders for mistakes that often lead to goals But IMO strikers get away with shite finishing time after time
Glory boys!
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Merely prolonging the inevitable not keeping us in it. These draws are nothing more then keeping someone on life support with no cure in sight (wins). As for the original OPs post. Its far too late, should of been done by mid to end of Feb if we were going to do it.
Well, Green had an excellent chance to score the winner yesterday, and there were a couple of other matches in the last 8 where we had chances to win. Yes, I know chances don't win matches, but surely our luck is going to change! I believe we can get some wins, and hope that the teams around us drop points. I believe we WILL stay up. UTM.
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We're hardly setting up for a draw with three strikers on the pitch in the last four matches.
I do think looking at Hursts overall record since returning is a tad unfair, Holloways team was in complete freefall with only that random win against Scunthorpe in what was a truly abject match standing apart. Those first few games with that team were highly unlikely to yield any points under any manager imho. We were NLN standard.
Post Cheltenham Hurst said he thought he was getting the best out of the players at his disposal, I'm not sure how we can disagree with that, we just held the best team in the division to a draw. I'm not gonna say could have, would have, should have for some of those other recent matches because we didn't, but its certainly been fine margins for us.
I'll admit it is hard to look at it objectively because we are cut adrift at the bottom of the table, and I suppose it can be said "well Hurst did bring a lot of these players in". I guess he just brought in a mid table side when we needed something better, however that something better is more easily said than done.
Great post. I think Hurst has built a half-decent team. I know it's not enough, but that's not Hurst's doing... and I don't know which miracle worker (willing to join us) would have got us from what we were to a team that was going to beat (rather than merely draw) against top-placed teams. Answers on a postcard please...
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Managers always take the flak and in many ways rightly so...someone has to be accountable GKs and defenders come next on the pecking order of criticism - again, rightly so on occasion
But it's very rare forwards 'cop it' game after game with the same level of feeling
It's worth pointing out the appalling misses in last two games from Lenny (Salford at the end) and yesterday when Hanson and Green wasted golden chances with pathetic, half-hearted, panicky efforts
But crap like "well, at least he was in the right place to miss it..." is always trotted out Or "he's just lacking a bit of confidence at the minute" - bollox...it's their main job that they practice day after day
I don't expect an 80% conversion rate at L2 (they wouldn't be play8ing at gtfc) but 2 out of 5? Is that unreasonable?
So we can blame Hurst for tactics all we like; GKs and defenders for mistakes that often lead to goals But IMO strikers get away with shite finishing time after time
Glory boys!
So @Devs, In the late 60's I played for Barton United in the Scunthorpe and District Junior League at Centre Half for 4 years until I joined the Army. Even though we got promoted 4 seasons in a row, I still got a lot of stick when mistakes were made. In the Army I played as Centre Forward, and represented my Regiment at all levels up to playing for the Army (Cyprus) team, and again took a lot of stick when making errors from our coach. So in my opinion, everyone that drops a clanger or two gets a slating from the coach, even Forwards.
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