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| February 21, 2021, 10:26pm |
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I believe that many of the things you mention are man made mainly by tyrants/dictators call them what you like wanting power/money and a selfish obsession. You also have to factor in the greed of people who create problems like climate change, know what the problem is and continue to ignore it for their own selfish greed ( destruction of Amazon rain forests etc.)The realignment of tectonic plates are a natural disaster for the people who suffer from their actions, but it could be argued that this is evolution or realignment of creation.
As I said before it's all a matter of our own personal choices what we believe.
No, it could not. |
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| DB |
| February 21, 2021, 10:30pm |
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I believe that many of the things you mention are man made mainly by tyrants/dictators call them what you like wanting power/money and a selfish obsession. You also have to factor in the greed of people who create problems like climate change, know what the problem is and continue to ignore it for their own selfish greed ( destruction of Amazon rain forests etc.)The realignment of tectonic plates are a natural disaster for the people who suffer from their actions, but it could be argued that this is evolution or realignment of creation.
As I said before it's all a matter of our own personal choices what we believe.
No, it could not.
Why ?
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| grimsby pete |
| February 21, 2021, 11:11pm |
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I would not try and convince people of faith that it is rubbish and I could not believe it's true no matter how much they might try to convert me.
I would never hurt a child in any way unlike some Catholic priests.
I also think it's a very big universe for just us on one little planet there must be life out there somewhere.
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If having faith makes you feel better and safer I have no problem with that.
Each to our own.
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| LH |
| February 21, 2021, 11:12pm |
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I believe that many of the things you mention are man made mainly by tyrants/dictators call them what you like wanting power/money and a selfish obsession. You also have to factor in the greed of people who create problems like climate change, know what the problem is and continue to ignore it for their own selfish greed ( destruction of Amazon rain forests etc.)The realignment of tectonic plates are a natural disaster for the people who suffer from their actions, but it could be argued that this is evolution or realignment of creation.
As I said before it's all a matter of our own personal choices what we believe.
If there is a being or power capable of creating a planet with intelligent life - itself capable of travelling to and photographing other planets - I would say they’re probably capable of engineering out design flaws such as dictators, tyrants and natural disasters. |
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| February 21, 2021, 11:38pm |
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If there is a being or power capable of creating a planet with intelligent life - itself capable of travelling to and photographing other planets - I would say they’re probably capable of engineering out design flaws such as dictators and tyrants and natural disasters.
I see where you are coming from but none of this is in the teachings of Jesus Christ, who I believe could have done this if he wanted to. That said if all flaws of human nature were designed out then we would all be the same, likewise of natural events. No heatwaves, no cold spells, no summers no winters etc. All I've said is that I believe that Jesus Christ walked this earth and showed people how to live in harmony with each other. What Jesus also did was to leave it each individual to make their own choices be them good or bad. |
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| ginnywings |
| February 22, 2021, 12:25am |
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I absolutely agree with you. That is why I said I am a Christian and NOT a member of any religious group. Over the centuries various groups have hijacked Christianity for their own evil ends making out that whatever they do is in the name of God.
For example the C of E whinge about the poor whilst being one of the richest organisations in the country. Why don't Catholic priests from the Pope down marry? The first Pope, St Peter, had a wife. It is recorded in the book of Mark that Jesus healed Peter's mother in law.
I could go on and I am sure you also could quote many reasons about religion being bad. To me believing in the ways of Jesus Christ is totally different to bring religious.
I cannot answer where did God come from nor can you answer which came first the chicken or the egg. Unfortunately none of us know the answer to some questions so we just have leave them their.
Clearly not, as I don't believe in anything you have just written. There is no God, nor Jesus and the chicken came before the egg. The egg laying evolved over time, as did the chicken it comes from. Turtles lay eggs too, so clearly, nature found the best way to expand the species on those animals. |
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| ginnywings |
| February 22, 2021, 12:38am |
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God has always been there
Saddened you think like that Ginny. Perhaps when your on your death bed and contemplating the great unknown you may change your tune.
Religion has done more good than bad though. Gives people a focus /community/role models/hope in a often evil word.
From a scientific view the closest thing to religion in my view is energy. Love. good, kindness etc etc. Its all examples of how humans if they choose can become more like that and make the world a better place.
Everyone has a choice but if we choose to try to live a good life we are becoming in tune more with that divine energy source which started it off and create a better society for all. Jesus, Guru Nanak and other religious leaders eg Abraham the patriarch of the three Abrahamic faiths loosely embodied this view as well .
God has not always been there, You want to believe that, then get on with it, and don't be sad for me. I didn't exist for billions of years before I was born and I won't exist for billions of years after I die. I will rot and be consumed back into the earth, where my nutrients will give life to something else. That's how nature works. I'd also take issue with your assertion that religion has done more good than bad: it's a patently false statement in my opinion. The bit in bold particularly gets my goat, as if non believers can't live a just life and strive for a better society. |
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| KingstonMariner |
| February 22, 2021, 6:01am |
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I think this is a bit extreme comparing Jesus Christ to Stalin. There is evidence from an historian (off hand I cannot remember his name but I will let you know when I do) at the time of Jesus who confirmed the miracles of Jesus.
I’m not comparing Jesus Christ to Stalin. I’m comparing what happened after the Council of Nicea to Stalinist purges. Our version of religion/socialism or you're anathema. |
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| KingstonMariner |
| February 22, 2021, 6:02am |
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Clearly not, as I don't believe in anything you have just written. There is no God, nor Jesus and the chicken came before the egg. The egg laying evolved over time, as did the chicken it comes from.
Turtles lay eggs too, so clearly, nature found the best way to expand the species on those animals.
What came first the chicken or the egg? The dinosaur! (Birds evolved from them, so that’s the correct answer 😆) |
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| KingstonMariner |
| February 22, 2021, 6:07am |
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If they assume God started if off, how can Dawkins &co. say their is no God? If you go back to time immemorial some thing had to be created. Matter, atoms, gases call it what you like had to be created from something are by someone.
They don’t assume God started it off. I said the Big Bang theory allows for a ‘god’ to have started it off. Not God. Inverted commas as I was using ‘god’ as short-hand for a powerful entity with a conscious (or unconscious) will. |
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