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MuddyWaters
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Just feel pretty blessed not to live in an area that has a plastic Premiership club. Proper football means players who earn a normal wage not those on £1million plus a year who aren’t very good.

It’s always an interesting conversation in Portugal when most Algarvians support Benfica or Sporting. Now there’s two local teams in Primeira Liga and no one knows who to support when the local teams are playing the Lisbon teams. I always want Portimonense to win yet most of the locals are supporting Benfica. They don’t like the word plastic either!
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Just feel pretty blessed not to live in an area that has a plastic Premiership club. Proper football means players who earn a normal wage not those on £1million plus a year who aren’t very good.

It’s always an interesting conversation in Portugal when most Algarvians support Benfica or Sporting. Now there’s two local teams in Primeira Liga and no one knows who to support when the local teams are playing the Lisbon teams. I always want Portimonense to win yet most of the locals are supporting Benfica. They don’t like the word plastic either!


Try ‘plástico’ 😆


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I'm only 55 but been through thick and thin, home and away since i was about 8.  Before i followed Leeds as loved Eddie Gray's silky skills.  As you say its the live experience, i still am taken back to the Barrett stand when i smell tobacco and my youthful days.  This is why games behind closed doors are so sad, but understand and can't wait to be back, especially on away days.  Supporting your local club is an emotional connection that prem fans will never experience or understand.  I shed tears away at Everton when Wilkie scored, at Liverpoolwhen Jevons scored, blubbed when nathan scored to get us back in the FL but also shed a tear and laughed at our fans antics and chants on many an away day and am proud to be a Mariner.
The difference is i'm not a fan but a supporter as its about supporting our team at difficult times like now because these poor times will not last for ever and things have to look up soon.  I shudder to think how much i've spent following town, but do you know what, i wouldn't change a thing - GTFC is part of my DNA.  UTM
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Just feel pretty blessed not to live in an area that has a plastic Premiership club. Proper football means players who earn a normal wage not those on £1million plus a year who aren’t very good.
Positives and downsides to play for for a local team such as Grimsby . Players are living the dream  but it comes with a lot of risk/hardship as well. Because of the money side being poor Ive spoken to players who have struggled after the game has finished/released or fall down the football pyramid whilst playing. Mortgage/children to support having to uproot family. Likewise some that are playing have to travel the breadth and width of the country for pay not much better than a normal salary. The irony of it is teachers and the like are better of as a job for life is there if they maintain the levels. Some footballers cant hack it and give it up early not wanting to travel long distances for a day or two at a time to just meet loved ones. Even those who are preparing for life after football whilst playing is tough . Studying whilst being  as a professional footballer is demanding. Tiredness/stress of playing can impact on studying .

You compare this to the likes of Real Madrid whose average basic salary last season was 11.5 million and that excludes sponsorship.  If these players dont squander that money their children will be set up for life and thats the crux of it all. Similarly its only in this country and possibly one or two more where teams third tier or below are full time. Even in Spain's 2nd tier system some clubs are part time from an article in the pro Real Madrid newspaper "Marca" a few years back.

If I had a boy who wanted to play professional football and had some ability I would advise him of the pitfalls. Many dont make it even in lower league football and the hardships are plenty. I would prefer it if he got a normal job and played football semi professional on the side if he was good enough.  But if the passion/sacrifice  is there then he should go for it.


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I've told this story before but it has relevance so here we go again.
Back in the 2000s we used to go for a meal at my sisters restaurant in Cleethorpes after home games. One night we got talking to another of the regular customers. It turned out he came up to home matches from his home on the South coast. We assumed that he was from Grimsby and had moved away. It turned out that he had no link to the town at all.
What happened was that as a schoolboy in North London just after the war his school were given a load of free tickets to the last Arsenal game of the season. All his mates supported Arsenal so trying to be a bit different he said he would support the team Arsenal were playing who just happened to be Grimsby Town. Town lost 8-0 (our last game in the top flight but he was hooked and that was how we found him sat in a Cleethorpes restaurant nearly sixty years later. He stopped coming when we went non-league but given that by time he must have been in his 70s perhaps it was the journey not the fortunes of the team.


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I've told this story before but it has relevance so here we go again.
Back in the 2000s we used to go for a meal at my sisters restaurant in Cleethorpes after home games. One night we got talking to another of the regular customers. It turned out he came up to home matches from his home on the South coast. We assumed that he was from Grimsby and had moved away. It turned out that he had no link to the town at all.
What happened was that as a schoolboy in North London just after the war his school were given a load of free tickets to the last Arsenal game of the season. All his mates supported Arsenal so trying to be a bit different he said he would support the team Arsenal were playing who just happened to be Grimsby Town. Town lost 8-0 (our last game in the top flight but he was hooked and that was how we found him sat in a Cleethorpes restaurant nearly sixty years later. He stopped coming when we went non-league but given that by time he must have been in his 70s perhaps it was the journey not the fortunes of the team.


8-0!  Even worse than this by Barnestoneworth United. 'Eight bloody one, and four of them were from back passes!

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I'm only 55 but been through thick and thin, home and away since i was about 8.  Before i followed Leeds as loved Eddie Gray's silky skills.  As you say its the live experience, i still am taken back to the Barrett stand when i smell tobacco and my youthful days.  This is why games behind closed doors are so sad, but understand and can't wait to be back, especially on away days.  Supporting your local club is an emotional connection that prem fans will never experience or understand.  I shed tears away at Everton when Wilkie scored, at Liverpoolwhen Jevons scored, blubbed when nathan scored to get us back in the FL but also shed a tear and laughed at our fans antics and chants on many an away day and am proud to be a Mariner.
The difference is i'm not a fan but a supporter as its about supporting our team at difficult times like now because these poor times will not last for ever and things have to look up soon.  I shudder to think how much i've spent following town, but do you know what, i wouldn't change a thing - GTFC is part of my DNA.  UTM


Well said A.L.F.

Being an exile you live with missing a lot of that around home games.


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I can’t fathom out how people get excited about a team that in truth they have no genuine link to other than watching on the TV.

That said, whilst there are thousands of Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea fans that could be described as ‘plastic’, those clubs do have fans that are genuine, local and it is their team. It’s not our fault or theirs that that team has been or is successful.

What is interesting is that those genuine supporters of those teams often have a very different view of their club than the plastic. Plastics often rose to the bait when you goad them, they spend hours justifying their support and then swallow all the bullshit, but all the bullshit and talk about a young lad in the u23s to present as being all knowing.

I know a long time ST at both Utd and Chelsea and they’re very much look town fans. The Utd fan especially. He wasn’t against mourinho, more the ownership. He doesn’t think the sun shines out of the clubs bottom and he’s as cynical as the next football fan. He lives for away games and naturally, he genuinely cherishes those moments of success like it’s the last.

I do know a Spurs fan though who came to our play off win and he said he’d never seen a set of fans so excited, happy and delirious when Arnold’s goal went in...he said it felt like everyone was loving it at equal levels.


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