Tory Vermin

Quoted from ginnywings

No.

Not very forgiving either from someone who purports to be religious.

It's all the right wing print media (and now government) have. Making someone the enemy and attributing all the country's problems to them.

People on benefits
Immigrants
Muslims
The EU
Single Parents
The sick
The disabled
People with mental health issues
Hungry Children

But I blame the liars. Not the gullible people who take in the lies.

The government are doing it now. Subtly sowing the seeds so that "the people" will blame each other for the COVID death-rate and not Johnson & his government for their shambolic response to the on going emergency.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Big flipping deal - the percentage of people fraudulently claiming benefits is hilariously small, like under 1% of the overall welfare budget, and the overall amount of money 'lost' in this way is a pittance compared to the money the government spaffs away on dodgy contracts offered out to Conservative party donors - https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/31/2020-spotlight-the-great-procurement-scandal/

We're a rich country, we can afford to deal with a tiny number of cases of benefit fraud to ensure all kids in the country are properly fed. Stop focusing on the tiny number of fraudulent edge cases and building your argument around it instead of looking at the wider government spending picture which involves much larger sums of 'taxpayers money' being covertly shuffled off to tory party cronies with barely a peep from people like you or the press.

Ive a feeling benefit fraud maybe a bit higher than that Chris.

Iam not that into politics but I take on board what your saying with the Tory party. Discrepancies need to be ironed out. Iam sure though there are issues in every party that could improve though. Hence nothing in this life will ever be perfect.

Quoted from Rick12

Thing is Golly Iam not influenced by right wing media more by nature documentary's. First rule of thumb is you make the effort to look after your offspring. Some and again its the minority see this as an escape clause to get of lifting their bums in the morning and working.

Its like anything in life a few  will always choose the easy/lazy  path. This is where government needs to get tougher.


Its natural law though Ginny .Thats where the real answers lie. Sometimes in life you need to be hard or some will walk all over you.

I've tried to be tolerant of a lot of the quasi-religious drivel you post but to follow that all up with 'survival of the fittest' when talking about hungry kids is pretty bizarre.

Some people probably do play the system, some parents aren't very good at looking after their kids but that doesn't mean a civilised, wealthy society should shrug its shoulders and leave the kids hungry. It doesn't mean it's true of everybody either. There is no need for some people to have billions of pounds they could never spend while others get their universal credit cut.

Quoted from Rick12

Ive a feeling benefit fraud maybe a bit higher than that Chris.

Iam not that into politics but I take on board what your saying with the Tory party. Discrepancies need to be ironed out. Iam sure though there are issues in every party that could improve though. Hence nothing in this life will ever be perfect.

You have a "feeling".

Quoted from Rick12

Ive a feeling benefit fraud maybe a bit higher than that Chris.

Iam not that into politics but I take on board what your saying with the Tory party. Discrepancies need to be ironed out. Iam sure though there are issues in every party that could improve though. Hence nothing in this life will ever be perfect.

And here's the truth...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39980793

Fact. Not "a feeling".

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I've tried to be tolerant of a lot of the quasi-religious drivel you post but to follow that all up with 'survival of the fittest' when talking about hungry kids is pretty bizarre.
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Its not quasi -religious drivel though but facts Rodley .Your missing the deeper picture.

I believe something divine caused the big bang. Even the renowned scientist Richard Dawkins claims he leaves some room for "God" the unknown if you like albeit small.

Nature was here before all of us and Abraham the patriarch of the three Abrahamic faiths tried to understand that . Jesus  just followed on from that and refined it.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Some people probably do play the system, some parents aren't very good at looking after their kids but that doesn't mean a civilised, wealthy society should shrug its shoulders and leave the kids hungry. It doesn't mean it's true of everybody either. There is no need for some people to have billions of pounds they could never spend while others get their universal credit cut.

I agree

Quoted from GollyGTFC

You have a "feeling".

Not all criminals are caught Golly

I have heard a lot about "right-wing media" blah blah, but not so much about Tory hating posters who, for example, might start a thread titled "Tory Vermin" and by association anybody who disagrees with posters of that ilk.

The thought bubble that everyone has to be a hand wringing liberal, completely unable to accept that most people care for themselves perfectly well without the nanny state holding their hand every step of the way, even if they are poor is ridiculous.

The idea that free school meals are provided to pupils in need in term time is fine as they are not at home; the idea that has to be extended out of school, despite what Marcus Rashford says, is absurd. Parents have a responsibility to their children, full stop. They have a duty to provide them with adequate nutrition, even if they are poor. What sort of society is it where parents cannot put themselves out for the good of their own children? Even when it is provided we then get the predictable reaction of its not good enough.

We have safety nets to make sure anybody who is unable to provide for their children is helped, but if we keep extending help to cover every possibility it will create ever more dependency on the state which is not good for society.
  

Here's some figures to consider...

In 2017 the UK's entire welfare spend was £264 billion.

Old Age Pensions accounted for 42% of that or £111 billion

Unemployment benefit (you know, that those work shy scoungers claim) was less than 1% at around £2 billion.

From the government website...

For 2018-19 the government's benefit fraud figure was £2.3 billion (1.2%)

This is inflated however as £1.35 billion of that is from the tax credit system and that figure includes both "Fraud" and "Error".

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I have heard a lot about "right-wing media" blah blah, but not so much about Tory hating posters who, for example, might start a thread titled "Tory Vermin" and by association anybody who disagrees with posters of that ilk.

The thought bubble that everyone has to be a hand wringing liberal, completely unable to accept that most people care for themselves perfectly well without the nanny state holding their hand every step of the way, even if they are poor is ridiculous.

The idea that free school meals are provided to pupils in need in term time is fine as they are not at home; the idea that has to be extended out of school, despite what Marcus Rashford says, is absurd. Parents have a responsibility to their children, full stop. They have a duty to provide them with adequate nutrition, even if they are poor. What sort of society is it where parents cannot put themselves out for the good of their own children? Even when it is provided we then get the predictable reaction of its not good enough.

We have safety nets to make sure anybody who is unable to provide for their children is helped, but if we keep extending help to cover every possibility it will create ever more dependency on the state which is not good for society.
  

And here's another tactic. When they are called out for what they are they cry about being called a name (in this case vermin) and make themselves the victim and not the hungry children they have sent into abject poverty who need feeding.

In 2009-10 (end of last Labour goverment) the Trussell Trust handed out 41,000 food parcels from their food banks. In 2016-17 they handed out 1.2 million food parcels. In the last full year (2019-20) they handed out 1.9 million food parcels. In the first 6 months of the current (2020-21) reporting year (April to September) they handed out 1,239,399 food parcels.

There is a national food poverty crisis happening right now. That isn't because parents don't have their priorities in order. An extra 1 million children claiming free school meals in 2020 than in 2019. But you think that's the parents fault.

I wouldn't use a term like vermin myself, but I fully understand why some people would use that to describe the Tories having overseen the rise of food poverty in this country over the past 10 years or so.

No, actual I would. The Tories are f***ing scum. Any person who would see a single child go hungry is scum.

Maybe you should be asking why in the 5th richest country in the world we have an ever increasing amount of people falling through the cracks into poverty?

But no, lets blame the people who find themselves in poverty for them being there.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I have heard a lot about "right-wing media" blah blah, but not so much about Tory hating posters who, for example, might start a thread titled "Tory Vermin" and by association anybody who disagrees with posters of that ilk.

The thought bubble that everyone has to be a hand wringing liberal, completely unable to accept that most people care for themselves perfectly well without the nanny state holding their hand every step of the way, even if they are poor is ridiculous.

The idea that free school meals are provided to pupils in need in term time is fine as they are not at home; the idea that has to be extended out of school, despite what Marcus Rashford says, is absurd. Parents have a responsibility to their children, full stop. They have a duty to provide them with adequate nutrition, even if they are poor. What sort of society is it where parents cannot put themselves out for the good of their own children? Even when it is provided we then get the predictable reaction of its not good enough.

We have safety nets to make sure anybody who is unable to provide for their children is helped, but if we keep extending help to cover every possibility it will create ever more dependency on the state which is not good for society.
  

Absolutely correct. Sometimes I almost wish that someone like Corbyn would get in with a massive majority, just so the left could experience this free for all utopia.

Taken from a Twitter post -

“ Things I don’t have - expensive games console, cigarettes, designer clothes, latest music cds etc.

Things I do have - kids with food on their plates, clothes on their backs and respect for others.

Priorities and morals go a long way”.

Just a hunch but if we could include subjects based on priorities and morals in the school curriculum then maybe society would be in a different place.