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Starmer just isn't radical enough for my liking and the guy could put a glass eye to sleep. However, the electorate have shown they have no appetite for a left wing government, so it's a choice of either the Tories or watered down Tories.
Anyone even slightly left leaning will be destroyed by the Tory press and the electorate will lap it up unfortunately. They can't seem to grasp that the Tories don't give a flying fook about them.
Corbyn's policies weren't even that left wing but he had no chance. I recently listened to a podcast he did with Alexei Sayle and some of the stuff he cited that the press reported about him was laughable. One of the most bizarre was a newspaper that claimed he had a Maoist bicycle.
For Corbyn, read Milliband or 'Red Ed' as the papers called him. Then there is Foot and Kinnock before them.
I always think Back to John Smith and the way British politics would have gone had he not died suddenly. Would almost certainly have won the election and things may have turned out differently for our country.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60117513Lord Agnew, a Treasury minister with responsibility for cross-government efficiency, said "a combination of arrogance, indolence and ignorance" was "freezing the government machine".
He accused the government of making "schoolboy errors" by giving loans to over 1,000 companies who were not trading when Covid struck.
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What’s the betting Bojo had notice of this when he went to UAE to ask for a cup of crude. Probably part of the ‘deal’. |
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Not really fire and rehire - more a case of fire after shipping in cheaper workers from abroad.
Wow, who'd have thought that a business owned by one of the Gulf states might not treat its staff very well? Same company is in the running for operation of the much-lauded freeports so we can probably expect indentured labour in Immingham before too long.
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Not really fire and rehire - more a case of fire after shipping in cheaper workers from abroad.
Wow, who'd have thought that a business owned by one of the Gulf states might not treat its staff very well? Same company is in the running for operation of the much-lauded freeports so we can probably expect indentured labour in Immingham before too long.
Donors to the Tory Party so little will be done. I have been told apparently this is against EU law and none of the 300 French employees have been fired |
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Donors to the Tory Party so little will be done. I have been told apparently this is against EU law and none of the 300 French employees have been fired
Unless TUPE has been repealed since leaving the EU, it’s illegal here. Then there’s other employment regulations outside of that that requires consultation. It comes to it when even Grant Shitts is calling it out. Might want to have a look at the small print on the furlough arrangements too. |
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If we’d still been in the EU, those poor workers who have families would have had rights and couldn’t have been ‘sacked’ on the spot via zoom which is immoral and appalling. There would need to be a notice and consultation period, which is morally correct. These are real lives. Not numbers in a f@cking ledger. Another brexit benefit bites. Let’s diminish human and workers rights, and then pretend we care. F@cking disgraceful.
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Unless TUPE has been repealed since leaving the EU, it’s illegal here. Then there’s other employment regulations outside of that that requires consultation.
It comes to it when even Grant Shitts is calling it out.
Might want to have a look at the small print on the furlough arrangements too.
It wasn't a TUPE situation. LBC's legal expert Daniel Barnett tells Tom Swarbrick that the sacking of 800 seafarers by P&O Ferries to replace them with foreign staff was illegal, and explains what compensation staff are entitled to.
"It is illegal, of course it is... It's unlawful in the sense that the employees will be entitled to certain amounts of compensation," Daniel told Tom.
"There's three sets of compensation they'll be entitled to get.
"First off, notice pay - that might be a little bit for new employees, much more for long serving employees.
"Second of all, a statutory redundancy payment, again, less for new employees, generally a cap of about £10,000 on that.
"And also something called a protective award, which is an award that tribunals give if there hasn't been proper consultation before a dismissal, and that's up to 90 days' pay."
Daniel continued: "What I imagine P&O have done here is they've taken a calculated, cynical view that it's cheaper to get the new agency labour in today and pay this compensation a year down the line, because that's how long it takes for the case to get to court, than it would be to do it properly and have full consultation with the union."
Daniel has also written for LBC outlining what the fallout of the sackings will be for P&O and its staff.
"[It] is a huge bill for P&O, although if the company goes into liquidation, which it denies it will, it is the government and hence, the taxpayer, who will end up paying it," Daniel has written.
He added: "In addition, there is the possibility of P&O being liable for substantial unfair dismissal awards, although there are a number of defences open to it including dire financial need, and that consultation would not have made any difference to what they had to do to save the company.
"Agency workers are not always cheaper. For a start, there is the agency fee that P&O will have to pay on top of the worker’s salary, holiday pay and national insurance. But the chances are that the agency workers will start from a much lower base salary, without having accrued the often decades’ worth of pay increases and benefits that many of the dismissed employees would have had."
Daniel has also explained that there are other issues when losing a skilled workforce and replacing them with agency workers, including whether the new agency workers will know how to evacuate the ferries in an emergency, be sufficiently trained in first aid, or have any interest in providing good customer service.
"And what about the downtime while ferries are re-crewed?" Daniel asked.
"Passengers who now cannot reach their destination may have a claim against P&O, although there will be complex arguments around how P&O's terms and conditions would impact a passenger’s right to claim compensation.
"It is reported that the dismissed employees will be able to apply to the agencies for work, although the jobs offered will inevitably be on the lower pay and inferior terms that P&O will be offering through agencies.
"The practice of ‘fire and rehire’ always attracts criticism when businesses use that tactic to impose pay cuts. But this is not ‘fire and rehire’. It’s just ‘fire’." |
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