What is success for us ?

Every season we seem to have a few on here try and manage our expectations and tell us not to expect too much ect .
Every season I expect us to get promoted but it seems that the leadership of our club seem more happy with Finishing 3rd from bottom ,  making a profit , balancing books and paying off 20 year old loans to himself.
How does a club like ours that has twice the fans and could have a hell of a lot more fan base if we ever had any success  , continue to struggle against teams Taking half the gate receipts but still  paying more money to players Than us ?

We’ve not spent any real money on the ground for 25 years despite desperately needing a new one , we’ve not spent any money on the team which continues to show every year as it gets even worse.

I’ve actually been a Fenty supporter for years but the more I think about it we’re continuing to struggle purely because he wants his money back.
Success to the management of this club seems to be paying that debt off

Quoted from grimps

Every season we seem to have a few on here try and manage our expectations and tell us not to expect too much ect .
Every season I expect us to get promoted but it seems that the leadership of our club seem more happy with Finishing 3rd from bottom ,  making a profit , balancing books and paying off 20 year old loans to himself.
How does a club like ours that has twice the fans and could have a hell of a lot more fan base if we ever had any success  , continue to struggle against teams Taking half the gate receipts but still  paying more money to players Than us ?

We’ve not spent any real money on the ground for 25 years despite desperately needing a new one , we’ve not spent any money on the team which continues to show every year as it gets even worse.

I’ve actually been a Fenty supporter for years but the more I think about it we’re continuing to struggle purely because he wants his money back.
Success to the management of this club seems to be paying that debt off

Survival

What is  success  its been long

Quoted from CodHead

Survival

I don't see any existential threat to Grimsby Town FC. Someone's done very well to persuade people that there is.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I don't see any existential threat to Grimsby Town FC. Someone's done very well to persuade people that there is.

I get the same feeling , we’ve not really made any losses for years and lots of clubs are supposedly worse run than ours , why is our team excrement and our ground crap then ?

I said at start of the season before we started making signings I would be happy to be midtable maybe flirting around the playoffs. Saw the signings and was always going to be happy with midtable.

Tories in charge = austerity.

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

I said at start of the season before we started making signings I would be happy to be midtable maybe flirting around the playoffs. Saw the signings and was always going to be happy with midtable.

So when would we date to start expecting promotion or even a team that can challenge for the top half of the table ?
Are we expected to wait another 10-20 years hoping for mid table at best ?

The current regime's record is shocking the stats prove it, look it up. I think we've managed 13 out of the 15 worst league position finishes since WW2 under JF.

So in 15 years we've been almost exclusively worse than the previous 60. It's so bad its almost impossible to comprehend.

This is a Bee Gee season: 'stayin'alive.

I am the eternal optimist - but if things don't rapidly improve its us & Southend for the drop to Kings Lynne & Boreham Wood.

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

I am the eternal optimist - but if things don't rapidly improve its us & Southend for the drop to Kings Lynne & Boreham Wood.

If that's optimism.....

Quoted from wuffing

This is a Bee Gee season: 'stayin'alive.

As long as it's not going to end in Tragedy, I'll take that  

Avoiding Dropping into the National League
Which I fear we may never return
Come on Town , Come on..

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I don't see any existential threat to Grimsby Town FC. Someone's done very well to persuade people that there is.

League survival.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

As long as it's not going to end in Tragedy, I'll take that  

<You Win Again joke goes here>

I always look on the bright side and back the new manager to get us promoted.

Every year I am disappointed it would be nice if we could win more than we lose and score more than we concede.

I do not see any success in the near future even with Ollie.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I do not see any success in the near future even with Ollie.

Seems we've both changed our positions the same night Pete, I have after seeing that performance tonight, play like that and we'll be OK. What happened to your 'in Ollie we trust'?

Quoted from grimps

Every season we seem to have a few on here try and manage our expectations and tell us not to expect too much ect .
Every season I expect us to get promoted but it seems that the leadership of our club seem more happy with Finishing 3rd from bottom ,  making a profit , balancing books and paying off 20 year old loans to himself.
How does a club like ours that has twice the fans and could have a hell of a lot more fan base if we ever had any success  , continue to struggle against teams Taking half the gate receipts but still  paying more money to players Than us ?

We’ve not spent any real money on the ground for 25 years despite desperately needing a new one , we’ve not spent any money on the team which continues to show every year as it gets even worse.

I’ve actually been a Fenty supporter for years but the more I think about it we’re continuing to struggle purely because he wants his money back.
Success to the management of this club seems to be paying that debt off

Question for me is how do you achieve success, what are the key factors we need so we can progress to the next level?

Is it luck, a good manager, good players, funding, effective board and ownership structure?

Quoted from 28195

Question for me is how do you achieve success, what are the key factors we need so we can progress to the next level?

Is it luck, a good manager, good players, funding, effective board and ownership structure?

Does anyone know Podge - and if they do -can they ask him about Newport's secret formula?

This season success is staying up. We are sh!t. When Fenty leaves, league 1 will be the norm.

Quoted from wuffing

Does anyone know Podge - and if they do -can they ask him about Newport's secret formula?

Newport’s success is down to fan involvement and ownership.

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

I am the eternal optimist - but if things don't rapidly improve its us & Southend for the drop to Kings Lynne & Boreham Wood.

Matt Rhead plays for Boreham Wood.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Newport’s success is down to fan involvement and ownership.

Thanks Old Codge

All for one and one for all then?

The Team Fenty Red Cross brigade are on fire tonight. My comments regarding Newport are entirely factual. They have a fantastic board of directors who are local business people elected by fans.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The Team Fenty Red Cross brigade are on fire tonight. My comments regarding Newport are entirely factual. They have a fantastic board of directors who are local business people elected by fans.

I don't get it I really don't, how anyone can defend what's gone on here for so long now it's like the death of a thousand cuts. Some people must have a very very very low bar.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Newport’s success is down to fan involvement and ownership.

And a succession of televised cup runs.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

And a succession of televised cup runs.

By having a side good enough to not go out in round 1 every season.

Surviving this season and then, as was shown today we will start to progress under Holloway. His brand of football is exciting and I can see him building a team that will get promoted.

Quoted from Ipswin

Seems we've both changed our positions the same night Pete, I have after seeing that performance tonight, play like that and we'll be OK. What happened to your 'in Ollie we trust'?

I don't want us to be ok I want success and I am doubting if we will ever get any.

It's no good saying we played well but we lost.

Quoted from ginnywings

By having a side good enough to not go out in round 1 every season.

Evidently... and as of this point in time success is EFL survival.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

And a succession of televised cup runs.

You win games by investing in decent players like Padraig Amond, by not offering pay cuts in contracts like we did to Padraig Amond. By not being penny rich and pound thick in order to get your loan money back. The money spent on Newell, Rodger, Woods, Scott, Bignot, Buckley mark3, Jolley, players like Linwood, Proudlock and Colon.

You build a club by investing not penny pinching. By involving fans not criticising them. By engaging not taking the urine.
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Well, in NL we did not always get as far as the FAC round 1.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

You win games by investing in decent players like Padraig Amond, by not offering pay cuts in contracts like we did to Padraig Amond. By not being penny rich and pound thick in order to get your loan money back. The money spent on Newell, Rodger, Woods, Scott, Bignot, Buckley mark3, Jolley, players like Linwood, Proudlock and Colon.

You build a club by investing not penny pinching. By involving fans not criticising them. By engaging not taking the urine.
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Yes I agree, and replacing Jamil Matt with Kevin Ellison. Part of their success is down to playing to a blue print that suits your level something we’ve not done ironically since Hurst left.

Just a footnote on Amond he’s a great player at this level and that was the biggest mistake we’ve made in years but Hurst and the club went against policy and offered him a new deal mid way through a non league season and he told us to do one.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again I get that there will always be a limit how much a Director can personally put into a club but the fact that the Tory boys who have built there own personal wealth by being “entrepreneurs” and investing in their own futures haven’t had the same agenda with GTFC is something they should be held accountable for ....... at the moment though in reality there is nobody in a position to bring them to account.  

In all seriousness, how do people actually defend and support Fenty? Like other than using bullshit ‘he saved us, we wouldn’t be here without him’ nonsense rhetoric?

The man is a flipping disaster and here we are again genuinely staring down relegation out the league...he’s meant to have taken a step back but that’s clearly not true. We have a chairman who is literally pulled by Fenty and a board that are ineffective and so backward thinking they’re probably sat drinking pints of mild and moaning about decimalisation.

I’m sure about Holloway but with a bird that have zero ambition it’s irrelevant who’s in charge really because clearly existing is more important than anything else.

Quoted from aldi_01

In all seriousness, how do people actually defend and support Fenty? Like other than using bullshit ‘he saved us, we wouldn’t be here without him’ nonsense rhetoric?

The man is a flipping disaster and here we are again genuinely staring down relegation out the league...he’s meant to have taken a step back but that’s clearly not true. We have a chairman who is literally pulled by Fenty and a board that are ineffective and so backward thinking they’re probably sat drinking pints of mild and moaning about decimalisation.

I’m sure about Holloway but with a bird that have zero ambition it’s irrelevant who’s in charge really because clearly existing is more important than anything else.

People defend him because they know no different. There’s been a number of factual posts on here tonight that have been routinely red crossed by Team Fenty because they don’t like the truth. It’s uncomfortable to them.

Quoted from grimps

I get the same feeling , we’ve not really made any losses for years and lots of clubs are supposedly worse run than ours , why is our team excrement and our ground crap then ?

Because we are living well within our means and paying off old debts.

Quoted from Ipswin

Seems we've both changed our positions the same night Pete, I have after seeing that performance tonight, play like that and we'll be OK. What happened to your 'in Ollie we trust'?

Maybe there’s always got to be a balance in Suffolk. When you get positive Pete has to go negative to maintain the eternal equilibrium. It’s a Yin and Yang thing.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Newport’s success is down to fan involvement and ownership.

Judging by the red crosses, the fans don’t agree with you. They don’t have confidence in Grimsby people.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Judging by the red crosses, the fans don’t agree with you. They don’t have confidence in Grimsby people.

Our only trust involvement was to stab one of the few men that invested in the club with no strings and hand his gifted shares over to Fenty .
This club from top to bottom is full of nodding donkeys.
You can’t even blame the players or the manger this time , we’ve got what we’ve paid for .
When we was non league my mates who was a scout for Twon at the time always said we was 100-200 k short of promotion every season , that was exactly the amount we raised in the season we went up .
What’s the point of chipping in these days when the money is just being taken out and going to pay off Fenty ?

This season is the same now as it was before the beginning of the season surely. It was to still exist and be in League Two at the least come next May.

With a manager like Holloway and a normal pre-season in summer 2021, we should be aiming for play-offs next season IMO.

Quoted from grimps

Our only trust involvement was to stab one of the few men that invested in the club with no strings and hand his gifted shares over to Fenty .
This club from top to bottom is full of nodding donkeys.
You can’t even blame the players or the manger this time , we’ve got what we’ve paid for .
When we was non league my mates who was a scout for Twon at the time always said we was 100-200 k short of promotion every season , that was exactly the amount we raised in the season we went up .
What’s the point of chipping in these days when the money is just being taken out and going to pay off Fenty ?

I’m not saying we should chip in. I chose not to do that this Summer when the appeal went out. Not after the previous way fans efforts have been regarded.

It’d be a different matter if the Trust were to come out and say we have a deliberate strategy to wrest control of the club from Fenty (and not sell it to any passing Mickey Mouse American entrepreneur). The money should go into a fund ready for when the time is right. Part of any deal should be that he gives those shares back that the Trust foolishly gave him. He shouldn’t get a penny for those.

At the moment success will be getting some players that are lg 2 / 1 standard  instead of  sunday league / incs league standard that we have at the moment. Ollie my dear  you cannot turn these young lower standard players in to consistant lg 2 players  they just dont have it . all you are doing is harming the club / team. And probably disrtoying the young players  in trying to.

The saddest thing for me is the acceptance most of us seemed to have slipped into. We have no expectation of getting a result or really being competitive when we play Exeter or Newport. I don't think we'll go down but the sum of our ambitions appears to be to stay up as cheaply as possible and pay JF back some money.

The whole club is run like a non league operation and one man has to be responsible for that - go on the website for the club shop and see how easy it is to work out sizes and buy a couple of kids replica kits......

I well remember my first rant on here against the Fenty dictatorship (because that is what it is) in October 2009 when we scraped a draw with Accrington at home.I had a different moniker back then but I felt then as I do now - we will never get anywhere whilst Mr Fenty is in charge.

Little did I know that a home draw with Accrington was as good as it was going to get.

In many ways I have come to accept it is not his personal fault. He simply does not know how to arrest the slide, it is not in his DNA. We all have our own personal failings, and I won't change mine and he certainly will not change his.

My observations come not only from being a lifetime fan, but also hearing things from people in business I trust, and my own sporadic business dealings with the club.

He will never be collegiate, he will never attract new investment that doesn't go sour, and he will never accept that he is mainly at fault for a litany of failings that have meant he had to lend us money that we have to pay back before we can begin to go forward.

In some ways he is quite astute, but only in ways it benefits him. His use of the word "benign" being a good example. It is sort of benign, in that he says he wouldn't put the club in danger by asking for it all back at once, yet it is not at all benign in reality and as I say his lack of investment (or ability to get and keep other investment) means the club has fallen so far behind in all areas (playing, stadium, technology, facilities) he has had no option but to add to his benign loans. He now is paying himself back from our money!  (astute from his point of view!)

We all know what the problem is, but what can we do about it? The best way would be to sell a player for enough money to pay him off in one go, if he would actually accept it and go that is. This is what I am banking on as I cannot see any other way out.

Whilst all that is panning out, we must avoid relegation at all costs or he might never get his money back.

Quoted from quebec38

This season is the same now as it was before the beginning of the season surely. It was to still exist and be in League Two at the least come next May.

With a manager like Holloway and a normal pre-season in summer 2021, we should be aiming for play-offs next season IMO.

Why has this narrative become acceptable among fans?

How can it be that Newport top the league and have been consistently above us since their scrape with relegation? Progressing in cup competitions and reaching play off positions.

Have they got more fans than us? No.

Have they got more money than us? Yes probably because they are capable of getting to round 3 of the FA Cup and extending their season to the play offs.

Are they better run than us? Definitely.

They also have a striker that scored 37 goals for us in a season and was then allowed to waltz out the door for buttons. They also took Matt from us, a striker who has scored 1 in 3 since he departed. Vernam and Clarke also gone because you know, they wanted to be paid what they were worth. Hess and Davis would also walk into this side right now.

Carlisle are in the play off places. They are out on a limb geographically like us and have about the same average attendance as we do. Not a very wealthy area either and I didn't see their fans "donating" north of £100,000 to the club pre season.

Are these two examples in imminent danger of collapse, or are they just getting on with winning football matches?

Can you see a theme here?

I'm 44 years old. I started going regularly around 1987. We had a couple of successive relegations to start me off, then Alan Buckley arrived and we went straight back to the second division where we had mostly plyed our trade. We spent many years in that division aside from one season in 2000 when we immediately bounced back.

It is not normal for this club to be in division 4 for so long, for us to have spent six seasons as a Conference club still hurts me to this day, we are barely hanging on again and relegation is certainly a possibility.

Success for us, is ridding ourselves of the one common denominator in our demise. John Fenty must go before we can possibly think of restoring some pride into this famous old and very underachieving club. I suppose nowadays, league one play off contenders is our level but we're a million miles away from that. We are a good sized club, with good support but we are so low at the moment and have been ever since John Fenty became involved.

This may be the stupidest post ever, but I don't know anything about how a football club is run, and it's something that just crossed my mind.

What if we, the fans, raised the money to pay back Fenty's loan's on condition that he left the Football Club permanently?  Now, I'm not sure how much he's owed, but if it's a ridiculously high amount, then red cross me and disregard this post.

Quoted from 123614

This may be the stupidest post ever, but I don't know anything about how a football club is run, and it's something that just crossed my mind.

What if we, the fans, raised the money to pay back Fenty's loan's on condition that he left the Football Club permanently?  Now, I'm not sure how much he's owed, but if it's a ridiculously high amount, then red cross me and disregard this post.

I believe it is around £1.4m. Can't be arsed to check last seasons account but it's in that region. So £300 each based on 4000 contributing.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

I believe it is around £1.4m. Can't be arsed to check last seasons account but it's in that region. So £300 each based on 4000 contributing.

Think it's more than that isn't it? According to a recent thread on here?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I’m not saying we should chip in. I chose not to do that this Summer when the appeal went out. Not after the previous way fans efforts have been regarded.

It’d be a different matter if the Trust were to come out and say we have a deliberate strategy to wrest control of the club from Fenty (and not sell it to any passing Mickey Mouse American entrepreneur). The money should go into a fund ready for when the time is right. Part of any deal should be that he gives those shares back that the Trust foolishly gave him. He shouldn’t get a penny for those.

I didn't think I'd have to remind you that those shares were "foolishly gifted" to JF by the result of a democratic vote of the then members and by a huge majority.

Quoted from ginnywings

Think it's more than that isn't it? According to a recent thread on here?

Honestly if a fan group were to raise anything like 1.4m I think it would be totally untenable for him to not accept that as the purchase price. There's just no way he could justify not accepting being played off, its effectively a total rejection by his customer base.

These larger numbers being banded out imply that every shareholder will want to sell, which is imho far from the case. The trust and all the small shareholders are unlikely to do anything that would negatively impact a fan consortium buy out.

Quoted from barralad

I didn't think I'd have to remind you that those shares were "foolishly gifted" to JF by the result of a democratic vote of the then members and by a huge majority.

Presumably, the Trust board members recommended that course of action? I think foolishly gifted is about right.

Quoted from barralad

I didn't think I'd have to remind you that those shares were "foolishly gifted" to JF by the result of a democratic vote of the then members and by a huge majority.

Considering Fenty's threat to sell Liam Hearn unless he got what he wanted, there was only one way the vote was going to go.

Quoted from Dan

Tories in charge = austerity.

1945 to the early 1950's -  Labour in charge with austerity and rationing !

Quoted from rancido

1945 to the early 1950's -  Labour in charge with austerity and rationing !

Yeah, pesky World War.

Quoted from ginnywings

Think it's more than that isn't it? According to a recent thread on here?

Bloody hell, is it? I think he's taken £400k out over the last couple of years. I'm talking about the loan debt to him. There's his shares as well which are considerable of course.

What is success for us?

Well the line that used to be rolled out was that we weren't Stockport County. Regrouped and currently going well in the Conference with four games in hand and also in the third round of the FA Cup with a home tie against West Ham. They're not mentioned as a yardstick nowadays so Bury will have to do..

According to Philip Day last year, our rightful place, that is average club performance wise, is top half League One. They were his exact words. So even our chairman must admit that our JF led football club has been way off expected average performance at any time under JF's stewardship and every single season way below Philip Day's expectations for where our club should be..

Quoted from ginnywings

Yeah, pesky World War.

Maybe but they maintained austerity for at least five years and rationing wasn't phased out until 1954 when the Conservatives were back in power.

Quoted from Bigdog

What is success for us?

Well the line that used to be rolled out was that we weren't Stockport County. Regrouped and currently going well in the Conference with four games in hand and also in the third round of the FA Cup with a home tie against West Ham. They're not mentioned as a yardstick nowadays so Bury will have to do..

According to Philip Day last year, our rightful place, that is average club performance wise, is top half League One. They were his exact words. So even our chairman must admit that our JF led football club has been way off expected average performance at any time under JF's stewardship and every single season way below Philip Day's expectations for where our club should be..

The fact that Phil Day uses terms like “rightful place” just illustrated what a bell chopper he is.

We’re now in our rightful place, a place that’s been “achieved” by a a board who has consistently repelled anyone who has shown an interest in the betterment of GTFC and failed to add talent and finance to their inner cabal they have the temerity to call a board.  

Quoted from HertsGTFC

The fact that Phil Day uses terms like “rightful place” just illustrated what a bell chopper he is.

We’re now in our rightful place, a place that’s been “achieved” by a a board who has consistently repelled anyone who has shown an interest in the betterment of GTFC and failed to add talent and finance to their inner cabal they have the temerity to call a board.  

When Jolley was appointed, old Groundhog said we would be in the Championship in 5 years. Mind you, at that point, he wasn’t sycophant in chief.

When Fenty said his loans were benign we thought he did not want his money back but if someone came in to buy the club he said he would not put out club in danger if he took his loans back.

Well to be honest he has not put the club in danger but think what Ollie could do with that 400,000.

He could get a real spine to our side that we are sadly missing.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

When Jolley was appointed, old Groundhog said we would be in the Championship in 5 years. Mind you, at that point, he wasn’t sycophant in chief.

The fact that at the time he said that he must have known we where a million miles off having the unity, infrastructure, ambition, investment potential  and financial plan to achieve what was in essence a throwaway line.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

When Jolley was appointed, old Groundhog said we would be in the Championship in 5 years. Mind you, at that point, he wasn’t sycophant in chief.

The fact that at the time he said that he must have known we where a million miles off having the unity, infrastructure, ambition, investment potential  and financial plan to achieve what was in essence a throwaway line.

Quoted from rancido

1945 to the early 1950's -  Labour in charge with austerity and rationing !

Thats saw the introduction of N.H.S. Education Act and Welfare State some austerity.

Q. What is success for us?


A. I would have to say that success, at least in my eyes, is the club remaining a major player in the ongoing war against tampon pyrotechnic concealment


J S Fenty - Tough on tampons. Tough on the causes of tampons

Aside from winning promotion in 2016, I’d say the biggest success for us is the ability to deconstruct a flag until it no longer poses a threat to ones safety...

Quoted from ginnywings

Why has this narrative become acceptable among fans?

How can it be that Newport top the league and have been consistently above us since their scrape with relegation? Progressing in cup competitions and reaching play off positions.

Have they got more fans than us? No.

Have they got more money than us? Yes probably because they are capable of getting to round 3 of the FA Cup and extending their season to the play offs.

Are they better run than us? Definitely.

They also have a striker that scored 37 goals for us in a season and was then allowed to waltz out the door for buttons. They also took Matt from us, a striker who has scored 1 in 3 since he departed. Vernam and Clarke also gone because you know, they wanted to be paid what they were worth. Hess and Davis would also walk into this side right now.

Carlisle are in the play off places. They are out on a limb geographically like us and have about the same average attendance as we do. Not a very wealthy area either and I didn't see their fans "donating" north of £100,000 to the club pre season.

Are these two examples in imminent danger of collapse, or are they just getting on with winning football matches?

Can you see a theme here?

I couldn’t agree more but this season is hopefully just a one off where to me, GTFC still existing in May 2021 was more important than anything else. A successful season would be a bonus.

Quoted from grimsby pete

When Fenty said his loans were benign we thought he did not want his money back but if someone came in to buy the club he said he would not put out club in danger if he took his loans back.

Well to be honest he has not put the club in danger but think what Ollie could do with that 400,000.

He could get a real spine to our side that we are sadly missing.

He meant he’d lend it back when we’re in the excrement .
Well signing most the team  two weeks after The season started
On postmen contracts has already proved to put us in the excrement .
Now any money he loans us back will he spent on sacking players and maybe managers and signing the dregs of the next transfer window

Quoted from fishboyUTM

I believe it is around £1.4m. Can't be arsed to check last seasons account but it's in that region. So £300 each based on 4000 contributing.

300 x 4000 = 1.2 so we’re 200k short but another £50 each will do it.

Right that’s the loans paid off. How much each to buy players/pay wages/build the new ground?

£0 to buy players and pay wages which is the same as the current  board investment.

Seriously though if a fan consortium took over I think it would be with a view to bringing in more outside investment to fund a stadium. Investors are out there just look at Wrexham.

Even if I had the money to pay JF off I'd seriously think twice about giving him it, why does he feel he is entitled to his money back after all these years of failure and dining out on the fact that he has been head of our beloved club? The fans have been the heart of this club a lot longer than he has been around and have dug deep into their pockets numerous times but don't expect anything back! I dont dislike JF but the day he signed this club up to his loans instead of just funding a club out of his pocket he lost all respect from me. Walk away now Fenty and let us start a fresh chapter!

3 months ago, the vast majority were in agreement that survival both financially and in the EFL were the targets for this year. We are just about on track to do both, it's not pretty and we're not playing well, but there are positives to some of our performances.

I think we can have some optimism that as long as we stay out of a dog fight, the experience gained by our young players will stand us in good stead for the next few years. Crewe were fantastic last season after a couple of poor seasons with their young players, but as they matured, so did the performances.

Quoted from Henryscat

300 x 4000 = 1.2 so we’re 200k short but another £50 each will do it.

Right that’s the loans paid off. How much each to buy players/pay wages/build the new ground?

I see this has been red crossed a couple of times.

I’d like to point out I’m for the idea but parting with £350 of my hard earned is just the start, and you have to find 3,999 more people willing to part.

Even with the current input from the board of zero each we have to remember that Fenty still has shares, Day still has shares, Jacob Marley still has shares etc - what price are those divided by 4,000??

Also if we continue with zero input will we not just still be stagnant and defeating the object?? My question regarding further investment from each of the 4,000 is perfectly valid.

So let’s say we get 4,000 and we’re all willing to part with a grand - that’s 4m which is probably more of a realistic figure. What then?? We search for outside investment?? What does each of our £1,000 get us other than change at the top??