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pontoonlew
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Set to be announced this afternoon that crowds up to 4,000 (which will depend on capacity etc) can return after lockdown.

The caveat will be that this will only apply to low risk areas but in the midst of what seems to be one bout of bad news after another, this finally seems to be the start of what we’ve all been waiting for, the return of fans to football grounds.
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about time too


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Balls in our court now. Hands, face, space. Is it more important to go see your family or go watch Town? Etc etc
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Wont be happening here but its good news
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What is it like in Grimsby now is the virus still on the rise .?

Four games before Christmas could be what the players need a bit of vocal support.


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Quoted from grimsby pete
What is it like in Grimsby now is the virus still on the rise .?

Four games before Christmas could be what the players need a bit of vocal support.


Case numbers reducing Pete but zero chance of us being in the low risk bracket.
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Well I'm near Selby and that was Tier 1 before, but can't see hardly anywhere across the UK being Tier 1 in December  
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Three tiers.

One.    Up to 4,000

Two .  Up to 2,000

Three.  None allowed

Come on get into Tier two !!!!!!!!


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Quoted from grimsby pete
Three tiers.

One.    Up to 4,000

Two .  Up to 2,000

Three.  None allowed

Come on get into Tier two !!!!!!!!


Did we sell less than 2,000 season tickets, or will there be a lottery for seats should we be in tier 2?

Can't remember how many we sold.
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Wonder how many low risk places there are? maybe a small town in Cornwall.

Either way, light at the end of the tunnel and all that.


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Also, will it affect any bail out by the Prem, which I notice still hasn't materialised?
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I wonder what the conditions of the capacity are. 4,000 people in Blundell Park is considerably less distanced than 4,000 at Valley Parade.
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Quoted from ginnywings


Did we sell less than 2,000 season tickets, or will there be a lottery for seats should we be in tier 2?

Can't remember how many we sold.


Just over 1400.
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I wonder what the conditions of the capacity are. 4,000 people in Blundell Park is considerably less distanced than 4,000 at Valley Parade.


Doesn't make sense really does it....

Barrow have a capacity just over 4,000. If they were to find themselves in Tier One, unlikely I know, they could reach nearly 100% capacity.  Whereas Bolton, again if in Tier 1, would only be allowed 14% of their capacity.
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NE Lincs currently has c500 cases per 100,000 of population so not far from what Liverpool was before lockdown so I wouldn't get too excited. It's also "up to" certain numbers. Maybe 10 or 20% of overall capacity, I'd be amazed if more than 1800 were allowed into Blundell Park before New Year and probably less than that.
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Announcement of Tiers on Thursday.  Likelihood that most will be in the higher areas.

Tiers will be determined on numbers per population who have tested positive for Covid but also current strains on NHS in that area.

Potential for movement down (and up) the tiers.
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Only half heard it but sounds like wholescale community testing (like what they've had in Liverpool) for all Tier 3 areas (which is what we're likely to fall into).
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Might not see crowds at BP, but we may see a few away games?
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Quoted from ivanosandwich
Might not see crowds at BP, but we may see a few away games?


If you’re tier 3 you dont leave area without good reason So no chance
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Can't see away fans happening just yet.  Although stranger things have happened.
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Quoted from Hagrid


If you’re tier 3 you dont leave area without good reason So no chance


Oh yeah, forgot about that.
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Quoted from diehardmariner
Announcement of Tiers on Thursday.  Likelihood that most will be in the higher areas.

Tiers will be determined on numbers per population who have tested positive for Covid but also current strains on NHS in that area.

Potential for movement down (and up) the tiers.


They said there was potential for movement up and down last time but continued to keep the north in lockdown regardless. Places such as Kirklees have been in restrictions since March now.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that.


The good thing is though we have fans all over the place so those fans not in a top tier county living away would hopefully be able to go and cheer the team on, let’s hope so anyway.


Grimsby and proud!
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Bad news this....possibly being able to watch them under perform live  


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Stick it on the list of things that might happen next year.


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We are going in to Tier 3 . No chance of any fans for some time . Hospital admissions still not going down   .
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The first chant has to be: "What's it like to see a crowd?"


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The first chant has to be: "What's it like to see a crowd?"


Is that all you take away?


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As per usual with this government, it’s another badly thought through policy. Some clubs will benefit from being in Tiers 1 & 2 with home fans backing them, sadly we won’t.
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Doesn't make sense really does it....

Barrow have a capacity just over 4,000. If they were to find themselves in Tier One, unlikely I know, they could reach nearly 100% capacity.  Whereas Bolton, again if in Tier 1, would only be allowed 14% of their capacity.


I think it will state they will have to be social distance between each fan  , Blundell Park would be less than 2,500 so no idea how many a club like Barrow could get in.
There looks to be a office block at one end of the ground.


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It is actually bad news for the club isnt it ?  At the moment they have the money from ST sales in the bank and have very little matchday costs to eat into it......if they are able to open the ground they wont get any additional income from sales as it will only be the season ticket holders allowed in but they will have to man every stand, turnstyles, etc etc and unless the stewards are working for free then its only going to cost us money rather than generate it.





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Quoted from moosey_club
It is actually bad news for the club isnt it ?  At the moment they have the money from ST sales in the bank and have very little matchday costs to eat into it......if they are able to open the ground they wont get any additional income from sales as it will only be the season ticket holders allowed in but they will have to man every stand, turnstyles, etc etc and unless the stewards are working for free then its only going to cost us money rather than generate it.





If we have sold 1400 ST's, then there will be scope for a few hundred match day ticket sales.
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Quoted from moosey_club
It is actually bad news for the club isnt it ?  At the moment they have the money from ST sales in the bank and have very little matchday costs to eat into it......if they are able to open the ground they wont get any additional income from sales as it will only be the season ticket holders allowed in but they will have to man every stand, turnstyles, etc etc and unless the stewards are working for free then its only going to cost us money rather than generate it.





Yes, even if we were in the lowest tier the club would have the Main stand condemned so we couldn't play.

Saving money comes first. Fans come last.
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Even in tier 2, where will Scunny find all those extra fans?
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If we have sold 1400 ST's, then there will be scope for a few hundred match day ticket sales.


I think thats only a slim possibility, probably more effort than its worth for the club in reality, ticket office open , printing tickets, turning the office lights on, printer ink, staff drinking cups of tea and eating biscuits on their break...all adds up you know.


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I think thats only a slim possibility, probably more effort than its worth for the club in reality, ticket office open , printing tickets, turning the office lights on, printer ink, staff drinking cups of tea and eating biscuits on their break...all adds up you know.


Pay at the gate like we used to do.

Cut out the middle man/ woman  


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If we have sold 1400 ST's, then there will be scope for a few hundred match day ticket sales.


Plus the fact the rest can still watch it on iFollow.
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Can't see away fans happening just yet.  Although stranger things have happened.


I wonder if I can get a ticket at Colchester Don't know how many STs they have sold and away fans enclosure won't be open of course but there must be a possibility




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As per usual with this government, it’s another badly thought through policy. Some clubs will benefit from being in Tiers 1 & 2 with home fans backing them, sadly we won’t.


Sorry - since we're in a public health emergency for at least another three months, how is it badly thought through to minimise infections by limiting crowds. Presumably you thought that allowing the Cheltenham Festival to take place and for 3,000 Real Madrid fans into Liverpool earlier this year was a great idea?
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Sorry - since we're in a public health emergency for at least another three months, how is it badly thought through to minimise infections by limiting crowds. Presumably you thought that allowing the Cheltenham Festival to take place and for 3,000 Real Madrid fans into Liverpool earlier this year was a great idea?



It would definitely have been a bad idea to let 3,000 Real fans attend a Liverpool vs Atlético match
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I think it’s 4000 or 50%  whichever the least in Tier 1, but 2000 max whatever in Tier 2, none in Tier 3 (as already mentioned)
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If Grimsby in Tier 2 (minimum) so perhaps 2000 allowed, will all games still be on iFollow? (What was the cut off criteria?)
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All league games were shown on iFollow pre Covid. I suspect the audience size was far smaller and focused on us overseas supporters, so wouldn’t expect that service to change.

Coming to think about it, I think the only improvement on iFollow since Covid is replays. We previously had to rewind !!
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If and when we get back in tier 2 and are allowed 2000 fans in the ground, the 1400 STH might not take up the chance to visit the ground if a) they don't feel it is safe enough and b) they can still watch the match on iFollow in the warmth of their house.

There may be upward of a thousand spaces available for each home game, but will GTFC still take the 1400 as being expected to turn up?
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Wonder what crowd restrictions there will be on Dido Harding's horse racing, bet it won't be so draconian for them.
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Quoted from Masirah Mariner
All league games were shown on iFollow pre Covid. I suspect the audience size was far smaller and focused on us overseas supporters, so wouldn’t expect that service to change.

Coming to think about it, I think the only improvement on iFollow since Covid is replays. We previously had to rewind !!


It was only available to overseas viewers before Covid, except for the odd midweek game.


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Ooh tier this, tier that, 4000 here, 2000 there.
They take everything away from us in all aspects of life then sit back and sneer at us fighting over every little scrap they deign to throw back at us.
I don't understand what's going on in this world but it's nothing to do with our wellbeing.
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November 24, 2020, 7:37am

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Grimsby & Cleethorpes both have Tory MPs so you can guarantee NE Lincs will be in a lower tier than they probably should be.
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If there was ever a case of cure being worse than the disease this is it  


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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I heard the Colchester United owner on the radio this morning saying that their first match after lockdown will be home to Grimsby and he didn't know whether and how many fans would be allowed in. Covid rates in Colchester are quite low at 75 per 100,000 of the population so that may be a possible start.

Mind you now many people turn up at Colchester at the best of times
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November 24, 2020, 10:21am
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Will there be a draw for ST holders? The losers have to go and see the game live?


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November 24, 2020, 10:43am

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Quoted from Welwynmariner
I heard the Colchester United owner on the radio this morning saying that their first match after lockdown will be home to Grimsby and he didn't know whether and how many fans would be allowed in. Covid rates in Colchester are quite low at 75 per 100,000 of the population so that may be a possible start.

Mind you now many people turn up at Colchester at the best of times


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November 24, 2020, 10:56am
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Quoted from Theimperialcoroner


Everyone becomes friends with Pete and Ipswin all of a sudden


At the moment if I were to get a ticket I wouldn't pass it on to friends - enemies maybe but not friends

I think anyone would have to be there on the day as like many clubs they won't know how many ST holders are going to turn up. Anyone trying can use my postcode if asked if the Suffolk tier rating is OK. Essex based exiles should be alright I would have thought. Suffolk and London exiles will depend ont hat fat twit Boris's tier announcement on Thursday.



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November 24, 2020, 11:06am

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Quoted from GollyGTFC
Grimsby & Cleethorpes both have Tory MPs so you can guarantee NE Lincs will be in a lower tier than they probably should be.


Not sure this will be the case. We went into Tier 2 as a region because they look at stuff like transport links and how many people would move between the two places regularly. We have a direct bus route to Hull and there are hundreds if not thousands who cross the bridge every day into and out if Lincs for work. Lincolnshire being entirely blue won’t save that with the rates.
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Tier decision tomorrow to find out what tier we’re in from Weds but it is reviewed on the 16th. So likely to be tier 3 tomorrow but could drop to tier 2 just in time for Scunny at home with a huge 2000 fans in. Big effort everyone!
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It’ll be interesting to see what ridiculous and draconian measures they attempt to impose on people when they open stadiums...

The contradictions are becoming all the more obvious now.

At least Saturdays will go back to normal...it’s much more fun walking back in the cold, chuntering about how excrement we were rather than just turning the laptop off...


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November 26, 2020, 6:49am

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Quoted from aldi_01
It’ll be interesting to see what ridiculous and draconian measures they attempt to impose on people when they open stadiums...

The contradictions are becoming all the more obvious now.

At least Saturdays will go back to normal...it’s much more fun walking back in the cold, chuntering about how excrement we were rather than just turning the laptop off...


Summed this year up in three sentences.
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November 26, 2020, 6:49am

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I heard a news report on Radio X a few days ago that said every EFL club has agreed that any match planned for this coming Tuesday that is due to take place in a tier 1 or 2 area will be put back 24 hours to the Wednesday to allow fans in.

Let’s see which tier Cleethorpes is in and whether GTFC are actually ready to allow fans in on Wednesday if allowed.
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November 26, 2020, 8:46am
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I heard a news report on Radio X a few days ago that said every EFL club has agreed that any match planned for this coming Tuesday that is due to take place in a tier 1 or 2 area will be put back 24 hours to the Wednesday to allow fans in.

Let’s see which tier Cleethorpes is in and whether GTFC are actually ready to allow fans in on Wednesday if allowed.


Highly unlikely with hospital full which, as I understand, is a major criterion.
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November 26, 2020, 10:21am
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Highly unlikely with hospital full which, as I understand, is a major criterion.


Numbers on a steady decline, albeit over a short period.  Number of cases in the area dropping quite a bit too.

Although we still have one of the higher rates of infection in the country, things appear to heading in the right way (purely in terms of numbers).  

Any areas that are put into Tier 3 will have the rapid community testing in place.  I can't imagine there's the resource to do that in too many places, so this and with how the numbers are going I wouldn't at all be surprised to see North East Lincolnshire in Tier 2.
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November 26, 2020, 10:28am
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Been told your not aloud to sing or shout. not going help the atmosphere at all is it
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Been told your not aloud to sing or shout. not going help the atmosphere at all is it


Clap, I’ll bring my noisy gloves. Believe me, you will hear them. 😎👏
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November 26, 2020, 10:45am

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I heard the Colchester United owner on the radio this morning saying that their first match after lockdown will be home to Grimsby and he didn't know whether and how many fans would be allowed in. Covid rates in Colchester are quite low at 75 per 100,000 of the population so that may be a possible start.

Mind you now many people turn up at Colchester at the best of times


More than 2,000 but less than 4,000

I will not be going don't know about Swin.


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November 26, 2020, 11:00am

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I think we'll be in tier 3. We are currently having more deaths in our local hospitals than at any time during lockdown 1, and we are one of the highest infection rates in the country. The government have also said the tiers will be stricter than before lockdown.
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November 26, 2020, 11:12am
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More than 2,000 but less than 4,000

I will not be going don't know about Swin.


Wouldn't go if it was free at the moment Pete a) it ain't safe IMO and b) a win a Crawley changes nowt about our current team set up



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November 26, 2020, 11:22am
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Announced, NE Lincs in Tier 3.
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November 26, 2020, 11:27am

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Announced, NE Lincs in Tier 3.


I'll put my scarf and bobble hat back in the drawer then.
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November 26, 2020, 11:29am

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The 'look up tool' on the government website has crashed. Typical!
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November 26, 2020, 11:31am

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Knew it was coming. But absolutely gutted
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November 26, 2020, 11:32am
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Yeah, I think I just timed it lucky with when I went on the site.

Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds also in Tier 3.  The rapid-testing is going to be interesting!
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Quoted from Hagrid
Knew it was coming. But absolutely gutted


Taking missing a few Town games out the picture, this might be better for the area.  

It means we'll get rapid testing which has had a huge impact in Liverpool.  It should also mean there's increased financial support.

From an incredibly selfish point of view I was hoping we would be back in Tier 2 and could watch the games against Exeter (if moved), Newport and Mansfield in person.  But I'll happily take this area getting the extra support and then going into the Xmas period (where everything is going to be relaxed regardless) and watching the Scunny and Bradford games back to back.
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November 26, 2020, 11:38am

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Yeah, I think I just timed it lucky with when I went on the site.

Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds also in Tier 3.  The rapid-testing is going to be interesting!


Hull asked for rapid testing kits and were given 10,000, despite having the highest rate in the country, and a population of 250,000. Pathetic really.

Will us being in tier 3 have us at a disadvantage again, as other sides will be able to get some fans in and make a bit more income?
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Dunno....

Hard to say without seeing who's in what Tier.  But with the relatively low numbers, I think it's 2,000 or 50% capacity, whichever is lower, for some clubs I wonder if it could make them financially worse off.   Matchday costs will increase but with very limited income.  Take a bigger brain than mine to work it out all out, including taking away the potential income from iFollow too.
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Hull asked for rapid testing kits and were given 10,000, despite having the highest rate in the country, and a population of 250,000. Pathetic really.


That's a real concern.  With some really big cities in Tier 3, can see us getting completely forgotten about when it comes to the testing.
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The sheer difference in the amount of places in the North in Tier 3 compared to the South is utterly scandalous
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Allocating areas to tiers is all well and good but hasn't Barmy Boris said it's OK to tear up all the tier rules for 5 days 'because it's Christmas' (pathetic) hug Grandma and sit next to a three times removed cousin at a crowded dining table and don't worry about the consequences until mid-January.


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November 26, 2020, 12:08pm
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Manchester have been royally screwed.  They have a lower R rate than London but are in a tier higher, presumably to spite Andy Burnham.  As for NE Lincs, it's a shame but probably necessary to give the local economy a chance at Christmas.  Hopefully we'll see crowds at BP in time for the new year.
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Quoted from Ipswin
Allocating areas to tiers is all well and good but hasn't Barmy Boris said it's OK to tear up all the tier rules for 5 days 'because it's Christmas' (pathetic) hug Grandma and sit next to a three times removed cousin at a crowded dining table and don't worry about the consequences until mid-January.


Yes absolutely pathetic idea,  Boris should have waited to see what happens in America 2 weeks after Thanksgiving, watch the cases spike over there,  the same will happen here mid Jan.  
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November 26, 2020, 12:14pm
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Manchester have been royally screwed.  They have a lower R rate than London but are in a tier higher, presumably to spite Andy Burnham.  As for NE Lincs, it's a shame but probably necessary to give the local economy a chance at Christmas.  Hopefully we'll see crowds at BP in time for the new year.



Will being in Tier 3 help the NE Lincs economy during the Christmas trading period? Won’t Christmas be over, save for the 5 days of Coronavirusmas, before Tier 3 regions get promoted to Tier 2
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Will being in Tier 3 help the NE Lincs economy during the Christmas trading period? Won’t Christmas be over, save for the 5 days of Coronavirusmas, before Tier 3 regions get promoted to Tier 2

No idea.  Tier 3 means smaller businesses can re-open, unless I'm mistaken.  If we're bumped up to tier 2 in mid-December, I would imagine that's preferable to being in tier 2 now but then having heavier restrictions reapplied during peak retail trading.  I could be wrong, but that's what I was getting at.
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Under the current rules, our next two away games (Colchester and Southend) will both have 2,000 fans there.
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Under the current rules, our next two away games (Colchester and Southend) will both have 2,000 fans there.


Nice. Even tho they will all be home fans, still think it will be a good thing for Holloway and our lads.
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Will we still be able to watch away games on iFollow if some spectators are allowed in?


If the football is bad you can always watch the gulls.
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For anyone interested, here is the list of new tiers.


Tier one:​ ​Isle of Wight; Cornwall; Isles of Scilly.

Tier two: ​Cumbria; Liverpool City Region; Warrington and Cheshire; York; North Yorkshire; Worcestershire; Herefordshire; Shropshire and Telford & Wrekin; Rutland; Northamptonshire; Suffolk; Hertfordshire; Cambridgeshire, including Peterborough; Norfolk; Essex, Thurrock and Southend on Sea; Bedfordshire and Milton Keynes; all 32 boroughs of London plus the City of London; East Sussex; West Sussex; Brighton and Hove; Surrey; Reading; Wokingham; Bracknell Forest; Windsor and Maidenhead; West Berkshire; Hampshire (except the Isle of Wight), Portsmouth and Southampton; Buckinghamshire; Oxfordshire; South Somerset, Somerset West and Taunton, Mendip and Sedgemoor; Bath and North East Somerset; Dorset; Bournemouth; Christchurch; Poole; Gloucestershire; Wiltshire and Swindon; Devon.

Tier three:​ Tees Valley Combined Authority: Hartlepool; Middlesbrough; Stockton-on-Tees; Redcar and Cleveland; Darlington; North East Combined Authority: Sunderland; South Tyneside; Gateshead; Newcastle upon Tyne; North Tyneside; County Durham; Northumberland; Greater Manchester; Lancashire; Blackpool; Blackburn with Darwen; The Humber; West Yorkshire; South Yorkshire; Birmingham and Black Country; Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent; Warwickshire, Coventry and Solihull; Derby and Derbyshire; Nottingham and Nottinghamshire; Leicester and Leicestershire; Lincolnshire; Slough (remainder of Berkshire is tier 2: High alert); Kent and Medway; Bristol; South Gloucestershire; North Somerset.
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Quoted from Grantham_Mariner
Will we still be able to watch away games on iFollow if some spectators are allowed in?


Yes, iFollow remains up until the point 50% capacity are allowed in.
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Premier League

Arsenal - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Rapid Vienna (3 Dec), Burnley (13 Dec), Southampton (16 Dec)

Aston Villa - Tier 3

Brighton & Hove Albion - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Southampton (7 Dec)

Burnley - Tier 3

Chelsea - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Leeds (5 Dec), Krasnodar (8 Dec)

Crystal Palace - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Tottenham (13 Dec)

Everton - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Chelsea (12 Dec)

Fulham - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Liverpool (13 Dec), Brighton (16 Dec)

Leeds United - Tier 3

Leicester City - Tier 3

Liverpool - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Wolves (6 Dec), Tottenham (16 Dec)

Manchester City - Tier 3

Manchester United - Tier 3

Newcastle United - Tier 3

Sheffield United - Tier 3

Southampton - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Sheffield Utd (13 Dec)

Tottenham Hotspur - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Arsenal (6 Dec), Royal Antwerp (10 Dec)

West Bromwich Albion - Tier 3

West Ham United - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Man Utd (5 Dec), Crystal Palace (16 Dec)

Wolverhampton Wanderers - Tier 3
Championship

AFC Bournemouth - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Huddersfield (12 Dec), Wycombe (15 Dec)

Barnsley - Tier 3

Birmingham City - Tier 3

Blackburn Rovers - Tier 3

Brentford - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Blackburn (5 Dec), Derby (9 Dec)

Bristol City - Tier 3

Cardiff City - spectators are not permitted at any sporting events in Wales

Coventry City - Tier 3

Derby County - Tier 3

Huddersfield Town - Tier 3

Luton Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Norwich (2 Dec), Preston (12 Dec)

Middlesbrough - Tier 3

Millwall - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Derby (5 Dec), QPR (8 Dec)

Norwich City - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Sheffield Wednesday (5 Dec), Nottingham Forest (9 Dec)

Nottingham Forest - Tier 3

Preston North End - Tier 3

Queens Park Rangers - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Reading (12 Dec), Stoke (15 Dec)

Reading - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Nottingham Forest (5 Dec), Birmingham (9 Dec), Norwich (16 Dec)

Rotherham United - Tier 3

Sheffield Wednesday - Tier 3

Stoke City - Tier 3

Swansea City - spectators are not permitted at any sporting events in Wales

Watford - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Cardiff (5 Dec), Rotherham (8 Dec), Brentford (15 Dec)

Wycombe Wanderers - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Stoke (2 Dec), Coventry (12 Dec)
League One

Accrington Stanley - Tier 3

AFC Wimbledon - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Bristol Rovers (5 Dec)

Blackpool - Tier 3

Bristol Rovers - Tier 3

Burton Albion - Tier 3

Charlton Athletic - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: MK Dons (2 Dec), Wimbledon (12 Dec), Bristol Rovers (15 Dec)

Crewe Alexandra - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Northampton (12 Dec), Plymouth (15 Dec)

Doncaster Rovers - Tier 3

Fleetwood Town - Tier 3

Gillingham - Tier 3

Hull City - Tier 3

Ipswich Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Portsmouth (12 Dec), Burton (15 Dec)

Lincoln City - Tier 3

Milton Keynes Dons - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Norwich City U21 (8 Dec), Burton (12 Dec), Peterborough (15 Dec)

Northampton Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Doncaster (5 Dec)

Oxford United - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Hull (5 Dec), Forest Green (8 Dec), Northampton (15 Dec)

Peterborough United - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Rochdale (12 Dec)

Plymouth Argyle - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Ipswich (5 Dec)

Portsmouth - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Peterborough (5 Dec), Fleetwood (15 Dec)

Rochdale - Tier 3

Shrewsbury Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Accrington Stanley (2 Dec), Charlton (5 Dec), Lincoln (8 Dec)

Sunderland - Tier 3

Swindon Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Fleetwood (12 Dec)

Wigan Athletic - Tier 3
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Barrow - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Salford City (5 Dec)

Bolton Wanderers - Tier 3

Bradford City - Tier 3

Cambridge United - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Mansfield (2 Dec), Oldham (5 Dec), Gillingham (8 Dec), Colchester (15 Dec)

Carlisle United - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Salford City (2 Dec), Stevenage (12 Dec), Mansfield (15 Dec)

Cheltenham Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Exeter (5 Dec), Portsmouth (8 Dec), Bolton (15 Dec)

Colchester United - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Grimsby (5 Dec)

Crawley Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Barrow (12 Dec), Bradford (15 Dec)

Exeter City - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Northampton (8 Dec), Tranmere (12 Dec), Harrogate (15 Dec)

Forest Green Rovers - Tier 2 , up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Cambridge (12 Dec)

Grimsby Town - Tier 3

Harrogate Town - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Forest Green (5 Dec)

Leyton Orient - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Bristol Rovers (8 Dec), Newport (12 Dec)

Mansfield Town - Tier 3

Morecambe - Tier 3

Newport County - spectators are not permitted at any sporting events in Wales

Oldham Athletic - Tier 3

Port Vale - Tier 3

Salford City - Tier 3

Scunthorpe United - Tier 3

Southend United - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Scunthorpe (12 Dec), Grimsby (15 Dec)

Stevenage - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Southend (5 Dec)

Tranmere Rovers - Tier 2, up to 2,000 fans allowed. Upcoming home fixtures: Walsall (5 Dec), Stevenage (15 Dec)

Walsall - Tier 3


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Under the current rules, our next two away games (Colchester and Southend) will both have 2,000 fans there.


For the first game with fans Colchester are limiting it to ST holders only up to a maximum of 1000 (I don't think they've sold that many yet) They also have some sort of 'not quite a ST scheme for 5, 10 or 15 matches so they may get the 1000 but that's the limit

Up to 2000 for the second and subsequent matches tho'



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In tomorrow’s Mirror, Marcelo Bielsa has stated fans for all clubs or no clubs. It’s a point I passionately agree with. No club should be benefiting from Covid to the detriment of others.
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It will be like watching Darlo at their White Elephant stadium in the Premier League.
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Yes absolutely pathetic idea,  Boris should have waited to see what happens in America 2 weeks after Thanksgiving, watch the cases spike over there,  the same will happen here mid Jan.  


Ahem...

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Do you think we could be back for the scunny and bradford games? Our cases continue to drop per 100000
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Quoted from MuddyWaters
In tomorrow’s Mirror, Marcelo Bielsa has stated fans for all clubs or no clubs. It’s a point I passionately agree with. No club should be benefiting from Covid to the detriment of others.


I totally agree with this OC.


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Do you think we could be back for the scunny and bradford games? Our cases continue to drop per 100000


Dropping very nicely at the minute. Continue the trend and helped by growing backbench dissent I can’t see why not.
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I think it's fair to think we'll be back in for the Scunny and Bradford games, indeed the Oldham and Cambridge games following.

However, with the pending relaxing (both rules and compliance) over Xmas, it's fair to say we'll see another spike in January.  Cambridge (16th Jan) and Stevenage (30th) are the home games in that month.  I'd be surprised if we're not back in some sort of lockdown by the time the next home game (Tranmere, 13th Feb) comes around.   What Tier that will be is anyone's guess...
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Dropping very nicely at the minute. Continue the trend and helped by growing backbench dissent I can’t see why not.


Depends on how the Govt review geographical Tiers in the review as both Lincoln and Boston are both still rising so if Greater Lincolnshire is maintained that could scupper things but if they go down to District Council levels to determine tiers things will be much rosier for a number of areas. Daughter is a nurse and she says the hospitals in Lincoln and Boston are both choc a bloc with COVID patients so not looking good for my Christmas Dinner in local village pub!!!!!
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Depends on how the Govt review geographical Tiers in the review as both Lincoln and Boston are both still rising so if Greater Lincolnshire is maintained that could scupper things but if they go down to District Council levels to determine tiers things will be much rosier for a number of areas. Daughter is a nurse and she says the hospitals in Lincoln and Boston are both choc a bloc with COVID patients so not looking good for my Christmas Dinner in local village pub!!!!!


Exactly why I put the bit about backbench dissent. The countywide restrictions aren’t popular with a large group of Tory MPs so maybe there will be a change on the policy before the review. We’ve had a huge drop off up here since they decided we’d be tier 3 - it’s dropping around 30% a day which will put us well into the 100s per 100k for the next review so I’m pretty hopeful I’ll be back at BP for the derby.
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For anyone interested, here is the list of new tiers.


Tier one:​ ​Isle of Wight; Cornwall; Isles of Scilly.

Tier two: ​Cumbria; Liverpool City Region; Warrington and Cheshire; York; North Yorkshire; Worcestershire; Herefordshire; Shropshire and Telford & Wrekin; Rutland; Northamptonshire; Suffolk; Hertfordshire; Cambridgeshire, including Peterborough; Norfolk; Essex, Thurrock and Southend on Sea; Bedfordshire and Milton Keynes; all 32 boroughs of London plus the City of London; East Sussex; West Sussex; Brighton and Hove; Surrey; Reading; Wokingham; Bracknell Forest; Windsor and Maidenhead; West Berkshire; Hampshire (except the Isle of Wight), Portsmouth and Southampton; Buckinghamshire; Oxfordshire; South Somerset, Somerset West and Taunton, Mendip and Sedgemoor; Bath and North East Somerset; Dorset; Bournemouth; Christchurch; Poole; Gloucestershire; Wiltshire and Swindon; Devon.

Tier three:​ Tees Valley Combined Authority: Hartlepool; Middlesbrough; Stockton-on-Tees; Redcar and Cleveland; Darlington; North East Combined Authority: Sunderland; South Tyneside; Gateshead; Newcastle upon Tyne; North Tyneside; County Durham; Northumberland; Greater Manchester; Lancashire; Blackpool; Blackburn with Darwen; The Humber; West Yorkshire; South Yorkshire; Birmingham and Black Country; Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent; Warwickshire, Coventry and Solihull; Derby and Derbyshire; Nottingham and Nottinghamshire; Leicester and Leicestershire; Lincolnshire; Slough (remainder of Berkshire is tier 2: High alert); Kent and Medway; Bristol; South Gloucestershire; North Somerset.


Err, can someone tell me where The Humber is, it certainly is NOT where I live!

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Cases Continuing to fall, i think it will depend on the whole area personally, Lincoln and Boston still high, ours below 200 per 100000
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The irony of our last game in front of  any of our support being against Scunny away and our first potentially being Scunny home.
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I won’t hold my breath on them allowing places to drop tiers before Xmas.

No chance it’ll be Scunny either, we’d have a days notice to get it organised.
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I don't get it?

Colchester allowed 2000 today, but say it's 1000 but are expecting around 800 ?

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Grimsby Town are the visitors on Saturday evening as the U's look to extend their unbeaten home record in the league in front of almost 1,000 U's fans.


https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/grimsby-preview/


I am sure if we were allowed 2000 fans, we would have 2000 at the game.


If the football is bad you can always watch the gulls.
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I don't get it?

Colchester allowed 2000 today, but say it's 1000 but are expecting around 800 ?



https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/grimsby-preview/


I am sure if we were allowed 2000 fans, we would have 2000 at the game.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sp.....t-1-000-stadium.html
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I won’t hold my breath on them allowing places to drop tiers before Xmas.

No chance it’ll be Scunny either, we’d have a days notice to get it organised.


It states the tiers will be reviewed BY the 16th so you'd like to think we'd have a little notice. They could for the first game simply allow it to be season ticket holders only
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It states the tiers will be reviewed BY the 16th so you'd like to think we'd have a little notice. They could for the first game simply allow it to be season ticket holders only


https://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/fans-back-to-football/
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Although the tiers are being reviewed mid December, newspapers report it is highly unlikely Lincolnshire will be lowered to tier 2.


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Colchester have decided to start off with 1000 to see how it all goes and priority is given to ST holders but they don't have 1000


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As much as we’re all desperate to get back to football, the suggestions of how to behave are flipping horrible.

Literally the exact opposite of why we watch live football...


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As much as we’re all desperate to get back to football, the suggestions of how to behave are flipping horrible.

Literally the exact opposite of why we watch live football...


You beat me to it. Spot on.
I watched the Arsenal game with them all separated and muzzled up, two thousand in a 60k stadium.
They keep banging on about football being nothing without the crowds but deride people who say football is nothing now.
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I don't get it?

Colchester allowed 2000 today, but say it's 1000 but are expecting around 800 ?



https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/grimsby-preview/


I am sure if we were allowed 2000 fans, we would have 2000 at the game.

Maybe that although people want their football back they don't want it under those sterile circumstances.
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I think the sterile conditions and the over the top approach to safety will ultimately put folk off.

Whilst I’m sure many will argue the need for the ‘rules’, it’s simply going to take away from the experience. Even though the football is often dire, the day is sometimes much more than that.

The thought of someone telling me when I can and can’t leave a stadium or when I should arrive and so forth seems extremely controlling.

I think there’s also a possibility of tempers boiling over too, those folk who just wanna plough on; those who are obsess with the virus and safety and the stewards, who let’s face it, have locked interpersonal skills in the games before this, can’t see that changing.


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I think the sterile conditions and the over the top approach to safety will ultimately put folk off.

Whilst I’m sure many will argue the need for the ‘rules’, it’s simply going to take away from the experience. Even though the football is often dire, the day is sometimes much more than that.

The thought of someone telling me when I can and can’t leave a stadium or when I should arrive and so forth seems extremely controlling.

I think there’s also a possibility of tempers boiling over too, those folk who just wanna plough on; those who are obsess with the virus and safety and the stewards, who let’s face it, have locked interpersonal skills in the games before this, can’t see that changing.


A fair assessment.
Some are desperate to get back in to a ground & others won't be bothered with experience on offer.





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I’m not sure the current administration will want us back until they can get more than sth’s in. They won’t make any more money on the gate and the costs will be more.
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I’m not sure the current administration will want us back until they can get more than sth’s in. They won’t make any more money on the gate and the costs will be more.


Looking at the unrest with the current regime on social media over the weekend, that could be the straw that breaks the camels back.  Personally I think the club will do everything they can to get fans back in.

Encouraging that the Trust are saying plans are already in action.

Regards the Tiers.  I'm really failing to see how we won't be moved into Tier 2.  All the numbers are heading in the right direction, the laws are going to be relaxed at Christmas (rightly or wrongly) and arguably most importantly, in this context, the Government are facing internal rebellion over the current restrictions.  Not at all convinced the review will be completely led by the science or numbers, but more Boris and his mob trying to save their skin.  They're already taking a battering over this and the pending failure to secure a Brexit deal in time will add even more pressure on them.
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The only place where crowds are allowed to return en masse, is anywhere that sells Christmas tat. Nottingham outdoor market for instance. What did they think would happen? Massive crowds gathered in London and all the big cities at the weekend, but controlled football matches- no sir, too dangerous.

We are now in tier 3 but there are more people about than ever. Meggies was rammed yesterday. It's ridiculous.
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Towns rammed too Ginny. I still have to work and work in town and im amazed at how busy it is. I dont get it
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Towns rammed too Ginny. I still have to work and work in town and im amazed at how busy it is. I dont get it


Did anyone see the scenes outside Harrods? Neither Ministers or media prepared to call out the selfish behaviour of the younger demographics. Very few masks, crowded together and refusing to move when asked. Why have we given 5 days freedom to the infantile, materialistic, dumbed down hordes to superspread the virus? I don't get the Hollywood white Xmas dependency at the best of times but Boris thought he had to give a mental health boost to the plebs I guess. Personal responsibility went down the toilet years ago to be replaced by entitlement run riot. The heroes working solidly to get us through this will barely get a break at all.  
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Did anyone see the scenes outside Harrods? Neither Ministers or media prepared to call out the selfish behaviour of the younger demographics. Very few masks, crowded together and refusing to move when asked. Why have we given 5 days freedom to the infantile, materialistic, dumbed down hordes to superspread the virus? I don't get the Hollywood white Xmas dependency at the best of times but Boris thought he had to give a mental health boost to the plebs I guess. Personal responsibility went down the toilet years ago to be replaced by entitlement run riot. The heroes working solidly to get us through this will barely get a break at all.  


I don't know what it's like in Grimsby, but I've been out and about near me a few times during the lockdown for work and the vast majority of the people out in shops were old people. Mostly in places like B&M, B&Q, garden centres and the other "essential" shops that sell non essential things. Buying Christmas tat and just having a day out the house.

It doesn't excuse what younger people are doing, but since the whole lockdown is because old people are at a high risk, it'd be nice if they'd show a bit of adherence to the rules and let those of us with minimal risk get back to our lives.
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I don't know what it's like in Grimsby, but I've been out and about near me a few times during the lockdown for work and the vast majority of the people out in shops were old people. Mostly in places like B&M, B&Q, garden centres and the other "essential" shops that sell non essential things. Buying Christmas tat and just having a day out the house.

It doesn't excuse what younger people are doing, but since the whole lockdown is because old people are at a high risk, it'd be nice if they'd show a bit of adherence to the rules and let those of us with minimal risk get back to our lives.


'A bit of adherence'? The rules in Tier 3 Sheffield allow me to lawfully visit all of the above. I go on 10 mile hikes over the Peak District with one other person and take garden rubbish to the tip. Tomorrow, my wife and I will celebrate her 70th birthday with a flask of coffee near Stanage Edge. If I was in Cleethorpes I might have a stroll on the beach.

I'm very happy to allow you to get on with your life but don't lecture us 70 plussers. We do wear masks, we don't attend raves and try to avoid hospitals. You appear not to understand the modes of transmission which have led to the spikes in both 'waves' so far. Crowded social contact in hospitality settings, indoor work areas, multi generation living, care homes, school busses on rural to urban routes, hospital wards and non symtomatic workers like yourself unable to access testing.

A great proportion of elderly are self isolating by choice or medical necessity. For every rascal nipping to the garden centre there will be 20 confined to their homes. Middle class retired couples like us have been fortunate to a degree and we have been guilty of a few sly meet ups with grand kids socially distanced with no hugs. There are very few saints in all this but very few of the miscreants have been over 60.
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Well said Croxton.    It will be interesting to see how these "younger" generations behave over the festive period

I always thought the restrictions were to protect the NHS, how wrong I was
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Jesus, talk about divide and conquer.

This isn't about age.  It's about a virus that is dangerous.  It saddens me when people are buying into these distraction techniques.  There's selfish people of all ages and generations, people who either don't care or are arrogant enough to think they won't be affected.  That's it.
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I don't know what it's like in Grimsby, but I've been out and about near me a few times during the lockdown for work and the vast majority of the people out in shops were old people. Mostly in places like B&M, B&Q, garden centres and the other "essential" shops that sell non essential things. Buying Christmas tat and just having a day out the house.

It doesn't excuse what younger people are doing, but since the whole lockdown is because old people are at a high risk, it'd be nice if they'd show a bit of adherence to the rules and let those of us with minimal risk get back to our lives.


We may not always agree but I echo your observations to be honest...


'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
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Said about the crowds in town, im now isolating awaiting results of a test having quite severe symptoms. Slightly worried must admit
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Said about the crowds in town, im now isolating awaiting results of a test having quite severe symptoms. Slightly worried must admit


Hope you're okay and can't believe some sad tw@,t red crossed that!!!
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Jesus, talk about divide and conquer.

This isn't about age.  It's about a virus that is dangerous.  It saddens me when people are buying into these distraction techniques.  There's selfish people of all ages and generations, people who either don't care or are arrogant enough to think they won't be affected.  That's it.


Well I haven't seen any pictures of lots of geriatrics falling out of pubs all drunk up hugging each other.

Also when walking about town it is usually older people who move to one side as opposed to many younger ones who don't seem to give a toss.
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How many geriatrics were going out for Freshers week?
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Said about the crowds in town, im now isolating awaiting results of a test having quite severe symptoms. Slightly worried must adm0it


Hope your ok
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Hope your ok


Thank you. Had a night of alternating between hot and cold and not sleeping and just vomited. Hoping of course its just a bug
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Thank you. Had a night of alternating between hot and cold and not sleeping and just vomited. Hoping of course its just a bug


Tune in to ifollow around 3pm, you'll soon get some sleep!..🤭🤭
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Positive result hopefully a town win can make this a better day
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