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Not for me. Hated his dour tactics and pointless substitutions on 70 mins. The only time it seemed to work was with the aforementioned Marcus Marshall, and he should have been on sooner, as we were making no headway whatsoever until he came on.
I'm amazed really that with all the experience Town fans have of the fact that changing managers doesn't cure anything, they still start calling for change if we aren't tearing up the league after a dozen games. The one thing the Hurst appointment showed us was that stability has more chance of paying off than constantly changing personnel.
Ollie is trying to change the ethos around the place with developing young players and a way of playing right through the age groups. He's made a massive commitment, personally and financially to our club, yet the usual suspects are calling for his head already. I don't think he's going anywhere, and neither should he.
Have some patience, and if we are still floundering at the wrong end of the table come Feb, then yeah, have a chunter then.
That's one argument and when we stuck with Woods look where that got us, non league and the loss of millions of pounds. Certainly we shouldn't look to get rid at the moment but sticking with someone when it clearly isn't working with what he is trying to do is another disaster waiting to happen. My opinion is he is trying to play to a style that may well work in the Premiership or Championship with good quality players but isn't working here at the moment because I don't think the players are good enough. If performaces and results don't improve soon he is going to have to look at his style of play and try something different. Going back to Neil Woods I and many others said at the time he clearly couldn't do the job even before he was given the job full time but the board ignored his failings and as I said it ended in disaster. |
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| November 18, 2020, 5:06pm |
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No way. He's long gone and part of the past. I really don't get this obsession with players and managers who have left by their own choice.
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| November 18, 2020, 5:13pm |
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That's one argument and when we stuck with Woods look where that got us, non league and the loss of millions of pounds.
Certainly we shouldn't look to get rid at the moment but sticking with someone when it clearly isn't working with what he is trying to do is another disaster waiting to happen.
My opinion is he is trying to play to a style that may well work in the Premiership or Championship with good quality players but isn't working here at the moment because I don't think the players are good enough.
If performaces and results don't improve soon he is going to have to look at his style of play and try something different.
Going back to Neil Woods I and many others said at the time he clearly couldn't do the job even before he was given the job full time but the board ignored his failings and as I said it ended in disaster.
I think they are talented enough but not good enough! They are not battle hardened troops are they? They are not used to the cut and kick of L2, they are used to playing tidy little passing games at their previous or current clubs. I think we would all like to see a nice passing game but more that that we would like to see a nice winning game. How Ollie resolves this conundrum I do not know but shovelling in more and more untried young players and odd loanees who are miles from match fitness does not seem to be working. He should let several players go and try for just a couple of replacements who are good enough to make immediate impact. |
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| Mariner_501 |
| November 18, 2020, 6:16pm |
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Was shocked about a third of people would have him back.
Did an average job with us. Took us up eventually then gave us a below average league 2 team, which to be fair is what we have now.
Performed a minor miracle at at Shrewsbury.
Still no for me.
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| November 19, 2020, 3:00am |
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Too defensive tactically; mind-numbingly dull as an interviewee; let a 37-goals-the-previous-season striker walk away from the club; Parslow sub...so no for me.
Results-wise he was ok, but he's like a meal in a restaurant which is ok...you hope there's better on the menu.
We'd all swap any of our strikers* for Podge Amond right here and now wouldn't we?
* using the term somewhat loosely...
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| Ashby mariner |
| November 19, 2020, 6:07am |
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For me over the last 10 or 15 years I've always thought Holloway and Warnock where the best 2 managers about. I never ever thought that one of them would get the Town job. I think it's crying shame that we went all out to get Ian Holloway and then covid struck. We may never see what Ian could of done for us in a normal world. Has the affects financially may be about for a good while after we get a vaccine and things get to a near normal life again.
Going back to PH has u said on the worst manager thread no o e since Buckley has brought such a great team spo and togherness. Also attracted such a high quality of player. Having Omar, Podge, Toto, Tait ect in league 2 would be brilliant but to get them here while we where non league was great. I want Ian to be successful, but if he isn't I'd be 100% behind getting Paul back.
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| November 19, 2020, 6:13am |
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Uninspiring interviews and often defensive? I’d take that at the minute.
All football fans seems to be obsessed with going back to someone who was a success, the bigger issue has to be why he was allowed to leave or felt he needed to in the first place. Contracts for the likes of Podge were an issue again, something was probably out of PH’s hands in some aspects.
Either way, it won’t happen and we’re stuck with Holloway so at least we get larger than life interviews and chaotic at times football. Will it come good? I hope so along with the rest, I just fear that Covid will be forever the excuse now...
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| November 19, 2020, 9:29am |
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In terms of rapport with the Fans, Hurst was a disgrace, deserved everything he got.
The flip of that is that he consistently built a dressing rapport that couldn't be matched. It's no secret that the team spirit was our best asset. He has to take credit for that. Summer upon summer it was a rebuild effectively, yet we were always a united front. That's got to be down to the consistency of a spine. McKeown, Pearson and Disley. Fair enough Disley was already ending his Indian summer and Pearson was deemed not good enough (which I disagree with) but Bignot and Slade both had attempts at removing all 3 from the scene. Ultimately Slade succeeded with 2 of them. I don't think we've ever really recovered from that, it ripped the heart out a little bit. Buckley didn't have a great rapport with the fans either. It was a love-hate relationship at times. I guess the thing is you can be spiky with the fans but you have to back it up with results. Football fans have long memories. |
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| arryarryarry |
| November 19, 2020, 1:09pm |
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The flip of that is that he consistently built a dressing rapport that couldn't be matched. It's no secret that the team spirit was our best asset. He has to take credit for that. Summer upon summer it was a rebuild effectively, yet we were always a united front.
That's got to be down to the consistency of a spine. McKeown, Pearson and Disley. Fair enough Disley was already ending his Indian summer and Pearson was deemed not good enough (which I disagree with) but Bignot and Slade both had attempts at removing all 3 from the scene. Ultimately Slade succeeded with 2 of them. I don't think we've ever really recovered from that, it ripped the heart out a little bit.
Buckley didn't have a great rapport with the fans either. It was a love-hate relationship at times. I guess the thing is you can be spiky with the fans but you have to back it up with results. Football fans have long memories.
I don't think in that context he was any different to most managers, I thought he fell out with a few players. |
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