Pollock

The interview with Holloway and Matt Dean is well worth a listen.  Basically, Holloway set Pollock up with a trial at a Premier League club but Pollock declined it because he believes we are the best club for his development.

Holloway has a mate in Scotland (presumably at Celtic/Rangers) who wants to discuss something with him.  Holloway presumes this is about our young players.

Hopefully when Holloway talks to the parents of Boyd and Grist, he takes the Pollock family with him!

If true, that's brilliant on Pollocks side, refreshing to see a youngster not blinded by the lights.

is there a link, thanks

Well the interview on the official site was done in the ponny.

BUT

They still managed to get the back ground noise from cheapside  on making hard to hear what was being said.

It was.not because Ollie had a mask on for some reason.

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Well the interview on the official site was done in the ponny.

BUT

They still managed to get the back ground noise from cheapside  on making hard to hear what was being said.

It was.not because Ollie had a mask on for some reason.

Haha - maybe they had the wind noise dubbed in to make it feel familiar to town fans!

Yes very impressive decision by pollock - declining to visit the  premier league club altogether. Perhaps he thought as soon as he visited the sight of all the facilities, the big name players and, of course, the fat wedge on offer would be impossible to resist.
He's used to being in the first team squad as a central defender whilst still a teenager, which is exceptional. If he goes to the prem it's years of meaningless u23 football at empty grounds to look forward to. After playing in the first team for a while maybe he just doesn't want to give that up?

To be honest we all know he’s capable of playing higher but I t’s worth remembering that his dad played at the highest levels and will no doubt have a big influence on Matty’s decisions.

Another season or two playing regular first team football at his age will only increase his worth and potential. If I remember correctly Ryan Bennett had played a lot of games before leaving.

I hadn't realised that he was Jamie Pollocks son. Jamie was apparently voted in an internet poll by QPR fans as the most influential man in the last 2000years ( Jesus coming second ) when he scored a spectacular own goal to save QPR from relegation.

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is there a link, thanks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08w161r

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I hadn't realised that he was Jamie Pollocks son. Jamie was apparently voted in an internet poll by QPR fans as the most influential man in the last 2000years ( Jesus coming second ) when he scored a spectacular own goal to save QPR from relegation.

Oh yeah, I can remember that one. It's a classic OG!

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I’d like to see the club seize Mattie’s wish to remain here by offering him a new 3 year contract to prove it.

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Oh yeah, I can remember that one. It's a classic OG!

Alan Pouton: Hold my Brown Ale like

I always thought Matt y was a special young man.

He will play in the premier at a time of his choosing.

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I’d like to see the club seize Mattie’s wish to remain here by offering him a new 3 year contract to prove it.

With a decent pay rise ( if we can afford it )

If we can't there is always the chance he will go when is contract is up and we will lose a big transfer fee.

It is nice that the lad has made this decision, but there is part of me that would have liked to have got a nice fat fee and an agreement for him to be loaned back to us for the remainder of the season.

Dear Olly - Please see the above post from Posh Harry - you know it makes sense

Dear Ollie, Please don't listen to them two above.  Keep Mattie, let him grow with us and increase his stock and sell him for more in the future.

Let's think about this pragmatically.

Mattie needs just one good, healthy three-year contract with a Premier League club to set him up for life. That weekly wage will be much higher if he's got 100+ league games under his belt — by which time he'll still only be 19 or 20 if he continues at this rate.

If he goes to a Premier League club now, his wages won't be much more than he's on now. They'll be more, don't get me wrong, but not enough to set him up for life.

If he doesn't make it at that level, or fails to break through, he'll become just another of the hundreds of players who live year to year on League 1 and League 2 contracts, which might earn them a decent whack in the short term but not the millions you get in the Prem.

Naturally I'm biased, and I think we all know he has the potential to play higher. The longer he stays here, the more he shines, the likelier he'll be equipped to actually play in the Prem, which will earn him a better wage.

Move now and he'll end up playing U23 football for the next few years.

You no listen to Posh Harry

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Let's think about this pragmatically.

Mattie needs just one good, healthy three-year contract with a Premier League club to set him up for life. That weekly wage will be much higher if he's got 100+ league games under his belt — by which time he'll still only be 19 or 20 if he continues at this rate.

If he goes to a Premier League club now, his wages won't be much more than he's on now. They'll be more, don't get me wrong, but not enough to set him up for life.

If he doesn't make it at that level, or fails to break through, he'll become just another of the hundreds of players who live year to year on League 1 and League 2 contracts, which might earn them a decent whack in the short term but not the millions you get in the Prem.

Naturally I'm biased, and I think we all know he has the potential to play higher. The longer he stays here, the more he shines, the likelier he'll be equipped to actually play in the Prem, which will earn him a better wage.

Move now and he'll end up playing U23 football for the next few years.

He is also just one sh1t challenge away from ending his career every game he plays. Very loyal of him to not even consider a look, may well have his immediate playing career in mind and hoping to develop further and hopefully that pays off for him with a long and succesful career.
Wonder if he has any deeper loyalties , being born in Middlesborough, if it was Newcastle who was the club would he not consider it ?
  

I'm more interested to know why his dad being the major influencer decided GY over other clubs.

Mattie is like one of the GY boys, you can see how much passion he has for the club when we score and celebrated in front of the fans (last season).

As we already have more loans then can play each week if Pollock had been bought and loaned back is he under the same rules or would they be different with his circumstances.

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I'm more interested to know why his dad being the major influencer decided GY over other clubs.

Mattie is like one of the GY boys, you can see how much passion he has for the club when we score and celebrated in front of the fans (last season).

Possibly the same reason we’ve got Jock Curran (although Terry played for us)

I think the work Woods does needs a lot more recognition.

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Possibly the same reason we’ve got Jock Curran (although Terry played for us)

I think the work Woods does needs a lot more recognition.

Did he play for Sheff Utd as a Terry Curran is mentioned in "When Saturday Comes" film starring Sean Bean.

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Did he play for Sheff Utd as a Terry Curran is mentioned in "When Saturday Comes" film starring Sean Bean.

Sure that's wasn't Tony Currie??.

Quoted from RichMariner

Let's think about this pragmatically.

Mattie needs just one good, healthy three-year contract with a Premier League club to set him up for life. That weekly wage will be much higher if he's got 100+ league games under his belt — by which time he'll still only be 19 or 20 if he continues at this rate.

If he goes to a Premier League club now, his wages won't be much more than he's on now. They'll be more, don't get me wrong, but not enough to set him up for life.

If he doesn't make it at that level, or fails to break through, he'll become just another of the hundreds of players who live year to year on League 1 and League 2 contracts, which might earn them a decent whack in the short term but not the millions you get in the Prem.

Naturally I'm biased, and I think we all know he has the potential to play higher. The longer he stays here, the more he shines, the likelier he'll be equipped to actually play in the Prem, which will earn him a better wage.

Move now and he'll end up playing U23 football for the next few years.

‘’If he goes to a premier league club now his wages won’t be much more than he’s on now’.  Depends on the club but at least five times as a minimum.  We don’t have the cash to give him a big pay rise but we could give him a three year deal on what we can afford and agree that he gets 20% of any transfer fee minus agents fee.

Terry curran played for both Sheffield clubs i believe scoring a screamer against the other , not sure which way round tho

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Sure that's wasn't Tony Currie??.

ah haha yeah your right.

Yep sounds like a  plan GY. If he goes to a Prem League club he will probably be stuck in the U23's  & then out on loan to clubs like us to gain actual playing time experience.

Quoted from RichMariner

Let's think about this pragmatically.

Mattie needs just one good, healthy three-year contract with a Premier League club to set him up for life. That weekly wage will be much higher if he's got 100+ league games under his belt — by which time he'll still only be 19 or 20 if he continues at this rate.

If he goes to a Premier League club now, his wages won't be much more than he's on now. They'll be more, don't get me wrong, but not enough to set him up for life.

If he doesn't make it at that level, or fails to break through, he'll become just another of the hundreds of players who live year to year on League 1 and League 2 contracts, which might earn them a decent whack in the short term but not the millions you get in the Prem.

Naturally I'm biased, and I think we all know he has the potential to play higher. The longer he stays here, the more he shines, the likelier he'll be equipped to actually play in the Prem, which will earn him a better wage.

Move now and he'll end up playing U23 football for the next few years.

He turned 19 last month and according to the website transfermarkt has only played 34 games.  Bennett will have been about 19.5 when we loaned him go Peterborough having played about 120 games.

Jolley thrust Pollock into first team action at 17 and he played a blinder at Exeter. Fans were clamouring for him to play but he only really started playing regularly once Holloway got his hands on him.

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Sure that's wasn't Tony Currie??.

R Russ!

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Sure that's wasn't Tony Currie??.

Tony Currie on his day was a great player, I can’t recall wether it was him or Stan Bowles who had a mare when they came to BP in the early 80’s. Both got a “warm welcome”. 😉

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If he goes to a Premier League club now, his wages won't be much more than he's on now.

A couple of years ago I worked with a bloke who’s lad had (a few years earlier) played in the U23s for a (then) PL club and England U17s. He was a very highly rated young player and was on a multi year contract at his club on in excess of £5,000 per week. No player has earned anything like that at Town since the 2000s. Last I heard he was playing non-league in S Yorks after growing frustrated with professional football.

When I first saw this to be honest I was a bit p1ssed off as we could lose one of our best assets before we settle the squad and he’s ready.

Though on reflection manager/director tries to sell an asset to reinvest 100% of the net fee into improving the squad then that shows the tree benefit if having IH at the club.

As long as we get a good price, minimises agents fees  and the pipeline of replacements takes us forward then it’s better than where we’ve been surely?

I believe his dad is his agent.

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When I first saw this to be honest I was a bit p1ssed off as we could lose one of our best assets before we settle the squad and he’s ready.

Though on reflection manager/director tries to sell an asset to reinvest 100% of the net fee into improving the squad then that shows the tree benefit if having IH at the club.

As long as we get a good price, minimises agents fees  and the pipeline of replacements takes us forward then it’s better than where we’ve been surely?

The chances of that happening though are pretty slim with £1.6m* of Benign Debt and the current circumstances.

* 2019 accounts, so may be out of date - haven't seen 2020 accounts.

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The chances of that happening though are pretty slim with £1.6m* of Benign Debt and the current circumstances.

* 2019 accounts, so may be out of date - haven't seen 2020 accounts.

In accounting terms benign debt usually gets serviced out of distributable profit after a buffer has been imposed. In the current crisis I’d think the buffer would be pretty big before the directors could take any remuneration including loan repayments.

As much as it’s “fashionable“ to refer to this there is no evidence that player sales would service JF’s debt before reinvestment or in the worst case scenario club survival.

History could go on to prove IH may be lots of things but I’m 100% confident one of them won’t be an income generator for JF.

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A couple of years ago I worked with a bloke who’s lad had (a few years earlier) played in the U23s for a (then) PL club and England U17s. He was a very highly rated young player and was on a multi year contract at his club on in excess of £5,000 per week. No player has earned anything like that at Town since the 2000s. Last I heard he was playing non-league in S Yorks after growing frustrated with professional football.

Adam Drury was said to be on £10k pw. at man city, whilst I know of a West ham reserve who was on similar money, despite never playing for the first team and then moved to Bolton for much higher wages.

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Adam Drury was said to be on £10k pw. at man city, whilst I know of a West ham reserve who was on similar money, despite never playing for the first team and then moved to Bolton for much higher wages.

I think this lad was on something more like £8000 a week but wasn’t sure. This is going on ten years ago now. He’s never needed mortgage put it that way - although his dad is very upset that he gave it all up as he’s still having to pay one! Regardless playing kids football at the top is far more lucrative than playing week in week out in League Two and fair play to Mattie for grinding it out for us for that.

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In accounting terms benign debt usually gets serviced out of distributable profit after a buffer has been imposed. In the current crisis I’d think the buffer would be pretty big before the directors could take any remuneration including loan repayments.

As much as it’s “fashionable“ to refer to this there is no evidence that player sales would service JF’s debt before reinvestment or in the worst case scenario club survival.

History could go on to prove IH may be lots of things but I’m 100% confident one of them won’t be an income generator for JF.

Every season we’ve been back in the League (except maybe last - as I said haven’t seen the accounts) we paid money back to JF. Some out of profits and some out of the Bogle money. Director’s debts were reduced from player sales and operating revenue. There’s no other way that money could have been paid back unless Old Shutup has got a magic money tree like Rishi Sunak. I’d say that was evidence enough.

I’m not saying JF would take the money out this year because of the situation we find ourselves in. I said that new player purchases will be a down the list of priorities and behind keeping the club afloat and repaying JF.

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Every season we’ve been back in the League (except maybe last - as I said haven’t seen the accounts) we paid money back to JF. Some out of profits and some out of the Bogle money. Director’s debts were reduced from player sales and operating revenue. There’s no other way that money could have been paid back unless Old Shutup has got a magic money tree like Rishi Sunak. I’d say that was evidence enough.

I’m not saying JF would take the money out this year because of the situation we find ourselves in. I said that new player purchases will be a down the list of priorities and behind keeping the club afloat and repaying JF.

I see what your saying but though I have no reason to join his fan club
I don’t believe the order of priority is...

1 Sell best players

2 Keep club alive

3 Buy more better players

4 Pay off JF

Numbers 1 & 2 are for sure top of the agenda and maybe rather than signing the next big thing IH was just trying to make sure we stay alive beyond what was it Phil Day said March 2021?

Either way well done to Mattie and his family who are sensible enough to know he has a bit to do just to ensure his next move is the right one.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Every season we’ve been back in the League (except maybe last - as I said haven’t seen the accounts) we paid money back to JF. Some out of profits and some out of the Bogle money. Director’s debts were reduced from player sales and operating revenue. There’s no other way that money could have been paid back unless Old Shutup has got a magic money tree like Rishi Sunak. I’d say that was evidence enough.

I’m not saying JF would take the money out this year because of the situation we find ourselves in. I said that new player purchases will be a down the list of priorities and behind keeping the club afloat and repaying JF.

It was mentioned at a fan forum, that the repayment didn't come out of the Bogle transfer fee, but came out of the other income that was part of FFP and couldn't be spent on the playing squad.

Whether that money would have been better invested elsewhere than paying off loans is a different argument. Both need to happen.

It reads as though his dad is running an academy and his own career seemed to fizzle out quite early, also, he was at the top quite young. No surprise he wants his son to climb to success.

I hope Pollock goes on to better things and we make a chunk of cash from him; it's a good model to have for teams like us, and something we should have been doing for a long time, like Peterborough have been doing for a while now. They have just shifted on Ivan Toney for 10 million, and he's not the first they have made a lot of money on.

I think Woods is doing a great job, and hopefully we will get a reputation for developing young players to play higher up the pyramid.

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It was mentioned at a fan forum, that the repayment didn't come out of the Bogle transfer fee, but came out of the other income that was part of FFP and couldn't be spent on the playing squad.

Whether that money would have been better invested elsewhere than paying off loans is a different argument. Both need to happen.

FFP. Financial Fair Play?

Agree with your last comment.

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FFP. Financial Fair Play?

Agree with your last comment.

Yes, financial fair play. Or whatever it's actual name was.

I don't deny that some young kids are being paid a few grand a week but I really doubt the amounts that are being quoted on here. A kid on £8k a week 10 years ago?

I know the Prem is awash with cash but these clubs know they can pick up these kids for a pittance. Say Mattie is on £700 a week here — why would you chuck £8k a week at him? You'd probably get him to sign for far less per week, with the promise of a much bigger contract if he fights his way into the first team.

Give them a huge pay packet up front and no wonder they fall out of love with the game - they earn enough to pay off a mortgage before they've even played for the first team.

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I don't deny that some young kids are being paid a few grand a week but I really doubt the amounts that are being quoted on here. A kid on £8k a week 10 years ago?

I know the Prem is awash with cash but these clubs know they can pick up these kids for a pittance. Say Mattie is on £700 a week here — why would you chuck £8k a week at him? You'd probably get him to sign for far less per week, with the promise of a much bigger contract if he fights his way into the first team.

Give them a huge pay packet up front and no wonder they fall out of love with the game - they earn enough to pay off a mortgage before they've even played for the first team.

The figures i quoted for the West ham reserve are true.I also have a friend who signed for that obnoxious Scottish c*nt at Crawley and was on £5k a week in division 2

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Yes, financial fair play. Or whatever it's actual name was.

FFP is about limiting expenditure isn’t? Why would we be getting extra money under the scheme?

I seem to recall Slade saying he enquired about a Premier League reserve player but his wages were astronomical.

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FFP is about limiting expenditure isn’t? Why would we be getting extra money under the scheme?

How I phrased it was maybe misleading. Only 55% of eligible income was allowed to be spent on the playing squad. That leaves 45% of eligible income to be spent on other things. Better to pay off the loans than pay tax on a profit.

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How I phrased it was maybe misleading. Only 55% of eligible income was allowed to be spent on the playing squad. That leaves 45% of eligible income to be spent on other things. Better to pay off the loans than pay tax on a profit.

Ah I get you now.

Mattie makes it into the EFL team of the week again 👏👏

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Mattie makes it into the EFL team of the week again 👏👏

I thought Waterfall has been our best player the last 2 games.

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Mattie makes it into the EFL team of the week again 👏👏

Wot, no Macca? Should have made it for the entertainment value alone