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Mental health has been a problem for decades and totally ignored by various parties. A prime example of this is main stream hospitals which have no or limit facilities for people with mental issues, as previously posted.

You may recall that their use to be St Johns Hospital, Bracebridge Heath, Lincoln for people with mental health problems. This site is now a housing estate, patients released years ago into public life with little if any help. No replacement hospital for the public has been built.

People with mental health problems desperately need help for most of the time in some way shape or form and get very little, if any. I don't like the term but 'Their on their own' with family help where possible.

It's no good looking back and bickering Tories/Labour did or didn't do this or that. We have many years where one or the other party dominated the nations government and both did absolutely nothing. They could but failed because neither cared sufficiently to do anything.

I would love to suggest a solution but I can't see a permanent one. We can only help those in need when ever we can.


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Mental health has been a problem for decades and totally ignored by various parties. A prime example of this is main stream hospitals which have no or limit facilities for people with mental issues, as previously posted.

You may recall that their use to be St Johns Hospital, Bracebridge Heath, Lincoln for people with mental health problems. This site is now a housing estate, patients released years ago into public life with little if any help. No replacement hospital for the public has been built.

People with mental health problems desperately need help for most of the time in some way shape or form and get very little, if any. I don't like the term but 'Their on their own' with family help where possible.

It's no good looking back and bickering Tories/Labour did or didn't do this or that. We have many years where one or the other party dominated the nations government and both did absolutely nothing. They could but failed because neither cared sufficiently to do anything.

I would love to suggest a solution but I can't see a permanent one. We can only help those in need when ever we can.


Surely it can't be disputed that mental health is closely linked with how society behaves and how individuals perceive their role within the framework. If you feel valued, useful and have a clear purpose your mental health undoubtedly improves. If you look at indigenous tribes there isn't even a word for depression.

Now I am not suggesting we return to a hunter gatherer lifestyle but it would he arrogant to think we can't learn lessons from other nations/tribes/historic lifestyles.

Quite clearly balance is key. I certainly don't envy the youth of today and the cut throat, 24/7 and selfish world they will have to navigate.

Look up the writings and research of Johann Hari and Stephen llardi. Very enlightening!


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What a thoughtful, honest and at times moving thread. All credit to those that have bared their souls to help others.


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. . Some take their lives not because they wanted to die necessarily but simply because they didn’t want to live like they were anymore. Again I find this incredibly touching.



I was only just discussing this last week with the wife, Would these people in your opinion be classed as having mental health issues? My wife thinks yes I disagree.
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I was only just discussing this last week with the wife, Would these people in your opinion be classed as having mental health issues? My wife thinks yes I disagree.


I think yes and a term 'logically illogical' comes to mind. If I can put it another way all the bricks fall into place but theirs's no cement to hold them together.  They are looking down a long road with no perceived light at the end of it, no exit strategy for their problem which has become unsurmountable to them. They may have spoken to somebody indirectly and told to man up!, or words to that effect and the person they spoke to didn't realise it was call for help.

Americans sometimes use the word situation, meaning their is a way round a situation. You don't know what it is but you'll find one. Sorry I laboured on a bit but I think your wife is right.


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There is always a reason but sometimes people will just have had enough of life, hard to contemplate but there will be some who have got so bored with it all suicide is the best way out.
Then we have people who decide to end it through shame usually religious but not always, a broken heart, terminal illness, etc, many reasons but definitely not mental health related in my opinion.

I think the words ‘mental health’ needs to be redefined as it’s to close to ‘mental illness’ we band the word mental health around to easily these days, someone locked up in Broadmoor because he believes he’s the Devil and wants to kill all mankind, will obviously be suffering from a form of mental health/illness. But then someone who goes off sick with depression because he’s gambled all his wages will also be classed as suffering mental health the meaning is getting watered down the longer it carry’s on.
We have reached a point where everybody knows somebody who is suffering mental health these days, this wasn’t normal 20 years ago.
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Mental health has been a problem for decades and totally ignored by various parties. A prime example of this is main stream hospitals which have no or limit facilities for people with mental issues, as previously posted.

You may recall that their use to be St Johns Hospital, Bracebridge Heath, Lincoln for people with mental health problems. This site is now a housing estate, patients released years ago into public life with little if any help. No replacement hospital for the public has been built.

People with mental health problems desperately need help for most of the time in some way shape or form and get very little, if any. I don't like the term but 'Their on their own' with family help where possible.

It's no good looking back and bickering Tories/Labour did or didn't do this or that. We have many years where one or the other party dominated the nations government and both did absolutely nothing. They could but failed because neither cared sufficiently to do anything.

I would love to suggest a solution but I can't see a permanent one. We can only help those in need when ever we can.


The Catholic Church made suicide a sin centuries ago and refused burial in consecrated ground, so clearly mental health has been a problem for some people for a lot longer than decades. But I agree about the bickering bit. My great great grandfather hung himself in the 1870s but the reason could hardly be down to Gladstone. He was ill. The family paid for a nurse with lunatic asylum experience but it didn’t stop him. Money and politics are not the simple answers.



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Surely it can't be disputed that mental health is closely linked with how society behaves and how individuals perceive their role within the framework. If you feel valued, useful and have a clear purpose your mental health undoubtedly improves. If you look at indigenous tribes there isn't even a word for depression.

Now I am not suggesting we return to a hunter gatherer lifestyle but it would he arrogant to think we can't learn lessons from other nations/tribes/historic lifestyles.

Quite clearly balance is key. I certainly don't envy the youth of today and the cut throat, 24/7 and selfish world they will have to navigate.

Look up the writings and research of Johann Hari and Stephen llardi. Very enlightening!


Yes it can be disputed. Mental illness can be just that - illness with no apparent cause. In fact I would argue that the actual illnesses are only peripherally the result of society. More often they are about personal tragedy, bereavement, depression about a personal issue, hereditary or congenital. I am not saying your other issues don’t count, they do. But catch all causes and solutions do not help in analysing the individual paranoia or schizophrenia or just the depression we all get now and again. There are many types of mental illness from that short lived depression  to lifelong epilepsy. Some can be cured but some just have to be lived with like such physical conditions as diabetes.



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My great great grandfather hung himself in the 1870s but the reason could hardly be down to Gladstone. He was ill. The family paid for a nurse with lunatic asylum experience but it didn’t stop him. Money and politics are not the simple answers.

Iam sorry to hear that Ron.

Its sad that in his day some vulnerable people couldn't cope and felt suicide was the only way out. What I would say is I think mental health asylums have improved from what they were. In times gone past it was atrocious what them places were like.


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Iam sorry to hear that Ron.

Its sad that in his day some vulnerable people couldn't cope and felt suicide was the only way out. What I would say is I think mental health asylums have improved from what they were. In times gone past it was atrocious what them places were like.



He was a Lincolnshire farmer and appears to have suffered dementia for some time.

My aunt on the other side of the family was a sister in a mental hospital until retirement in the mid-60s. It was like any other institution, it depended on the particular mix of people at a particular time. She would say the women were less manageable than the men but by the 50s medication had advanced a lot. The problem was that once discharged there was no compulsion on ex-patients to continue with medication or even to keep contact with the hospital. This is something we see over and over again today with attacks on innocents for no reason by ex-patients off their medication. Now, where is the answer? Even in the 50s there was a battle between lock ‘em up and care in the community, won by the latter. But the rights of the individual take priority once outside those hospital gates.



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