Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Non Football › Mental Health
Moderators: Moderator
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 20 Guests

Mental Health

  This thread currently has 21,193 views. Print
35 Pages Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 ... Next All Recommend Thread
ginnywings
March 20, 2021, 10:26pm

Recovering Alcoholic
Posts: 28,141
Posts Per Day: 5.04
Reputation: 73.79%
Rep Score: +88 / -32
Approval: +56,098
Gold Stars: 548
Quoted from Sandford1981


I’ve heard it said or implied that true contentment occurs when our thoughts, feelings and behaviours align to at least a minimum degree.
From an early age we are embowed by outside influence and have conditions of worth imprinted on us mainly by parenting, institutions and society.
It’s very easy to create a negative self image based upon what we hear, see and read which is bad news (pun intended) in today’s climate.

We live in an age in which news is 24 hours and we spend large amounts of our time connected in some way, shape or form. With the birth of (anti) social media, it gave a voice to millions of people who perhaps shouldn’t have a platform. The advent of the internet and phones has removed the barrier that speaking face to face protected. Anything, everything and a lot of the time hateful things are espoused by racist Dave down the road or gossip mongering Karen up the street, bigoted  Tommy in Reading or angry and bitter sally from south Shields on some inane talk show. Multiple kp that across every person and country across the globe and it’s all encompassing.

Opinions have replaced facts and popularity has overtaken good moral standing.
We’re so busy being depressed about our pasts and anxious about our futures that we’re forgetting the here and now. We’re being force fed consumerism to the point we cannot be fulfilled unless we have the latest mobile, car or swanky pad. The system is set up that way because a satisfied and contented person isn’t buying and consuming.

Our instant, constant and relentless 24/7/365 lifestyles are not conducive to widespread good health and hence why mental health problems are so pervasive. It’s a sad state of affairs.

It’s a bit of a ramble granted but I feel better! 😂


Don't dwell in the past, don't dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment- Buddha.

This is what I try to do. I made a conscious decision to stop watching the news, reading newspapers and getting too het up about politics and things I could not control. They call it mindfulness nowadays, but I reached that conclusion by myself some years ago. I've also never got into twitter and facebook, or any other type of social media. I only visit a couple of forums on a regular basis, with this being one.

Hardly anyone nowadays just sits and takes in their surroundings. The sea, the wind, the birdsong, whatever. People have forgotten how to be silent and thoughtful.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 80 - 340
DB
March 21, 2021, 1:10am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 18,739
Posts Per Day: 15.50
Reputation: 57.79%
Rep Score: +13 / -13
Approval: +3,975
Gold Stars: 386
Quoted from promotion plaice
My panic attacks and anxiety stemmed from my childhood.

My mother has suffered with mental illness on and off for most of her life although it's calming down now she is in her eighties.

She was sectioned many times when I was a child and beyond which scarred my dad and I pretty bad.

At one point my late father wouldn't go anywhere without his bike so he could rush back home if panic set in bless him.

Our GP's at the time didn't understand mental heath and told us basically to man up and get on with it, which wasn't what we needed so we moved to a specialist that helped my dad and I immensely.

I could write a book about it, she drove our Austin Allegro onto the middle of Hewitt's Circus roundabout one time and disappeared into the night.




Thank you for sharing this. I know for a fact in the late 60's early 70's mental health was treat as a 'joke' by most people including doctors. People with mental health problems in those days were treat by many as stupid and had the micky taken.

I recall a young man at that time, mid 30's say, was looking at a wall map of aircraft routes around the world in a transport office. The man looked quite bright but had been placed in a post room due to his mental health. Someone questioned him to take the micky, long story short, he was challenged to say how long it would take to travel from Heathrow to Vancouver.

After discussing the aircraft and route he borrowed a calculator. When his time was check he was 1 minute out! Turned out he ex air traffic controller who due to the nature of the job over did it.

It's slightly better today as most GP's are aware of mental heath issues, that said the resources are infantile compared to medical heath.


You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 81 - 340
DB
March 21, 2021, 1:19am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 18,739
Posts Per Day: 15.50
Reputation: 57.79%
Rep Score: +13 / -13
Approval: +3,975
Gold Stars: 386
Quoted from ginnywings


Don't dwell in the past, don't dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment- Buddha.

This is what I try to do. I made a conscious decision to stop watching the news, reading newspapers and getting too het up about politics and things I could not control. They call it mindfulness nowadays, but I reached that conclusion by myself some years ago. I've also never got into twitter and facebook, or any other type of social media. I only visit a couple of forums on a regular basis, with this being one.

Hardly anyone nowadays just sits and takes in their surroundings. The sea, the wind, the birdsong, whatever. People have forgotten how to be silent and thoughtful.


You make an excellent points here. Too much expectations by many on triviality over which most have little or no control and benefit. This leads to stress, anxiety and tension causing mental health issues. What did people do before the mobile phone? They certainly had more time to consider in detail their thoughts, contemplate their surrounding more and take time out.


You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 82 - 340
DB
March 21, 2021, 1:28am
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 18,739
Posts Per Day: 15.50
Reputation: 57.79%
Rep Score: +13 / -13
Approval: +3,975
Gold Stars: 386
Quoted from Sandford1981


I’ve heard it said or implied that true contentment occurs when our thoughts, feelings and behaviours align to at least a minimum degree.
From an early age we are embowed by outside influence and have conditions of worth imprinted on us mainly by parenting, institutions and society.
It’s very easy to create a negative self image based upon what we hear, see and read which is bad news (pun intended) in today’s climate.

We live in an age in which news is 24 hours and we spend large amounts of our time connected in some way, shape or form. With the birth of (anti) social media, it gave a voice to millions of people who perhaps shouldn’t have a platform. The advent of the internet and phones has removed the barrier that speaking face to face protected. Anything, everything and a lot of the time hateful things are espoused by racist Dave down the road or gossip mongering Karen up the street, bigoted  Tommy in Reading or angry and bitter sally from south Shields on some inane talk show. Multiple kp that across every person and country across the globe and it’s all encompassing.

Opinions have replaced facts and popularity has overtaken good moral standing.
We’re so busy being depressed about our pasts and anxious about our futures that we’re forgetting the here and now. We’re being force fed consumerism to the point we cannot be fulfilled unless we have the latest mobile, car or swanky pad. The system is set up that way because a satisfied and contented person isn’t buying and consuming.

Our instant, constant and relentless 24/7/365 lifestyles are not conducive to widespread good health and hence why mental health problems are so pervasive. It’s a sad state of affairs.

It’s a bit of a ramble granted but I feel better! 😂


Nothing wrong with a good ramble, help to clear the mind. I do think you hit the nail on the head about moral standings.

Their are none any more in todays life to, I would say, over 99.5% of the population and is all about me/self. What's in it for me, how can I benefit etc. No morals or thoughts for others and it has nearly destroyed the society I grew up in as a child.

This unfortunately also adds to the pressures of mental health and will not change.


You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 83 - 340
KingstonMariner
March 21, 2021, 8:36am
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.08
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
Quoted from DB


Nothing wrong with a good ramble, help to clear the mind. I do think you hit the nail on the head about moral standings.

Their are none any more in todays life to, I would say, over 99.5% of the population and is all about me/self. What's in it for me, how can I benefit etc. No morals or thoughts for others and it has nearly destroyed the society I grew up in as a child.

This unfortunately also adds to the pressures of mental health and will not change.


Gotta question why society has become more individualistic DB. The market was placed at the centre of life. This has led economic and political thinking for over 40 years. People keep voting for the party who promote individualism.

When people do show care for other people they’re branded ‘snowflakes’ and generally trashed. Terms like ‘the offence industry’ are used. People striving to bring about greater fairness in society are attacked verbally in the media, social media and sometimes physically. Sometimes you hear stuff like ‘I had it tough growing up in the’ 50s/60s/70s or whenever. ‘I had to work hard’. As if to say other people’s experience doesn’t count or that because one person didn’t have it easy other people should be treated unfairly.

Ironically it’s the often same people who say let the migrants crossing the Channel drown - people who have probably had it far tougher than the old bloke giving it the ‘I had it hard in my day’ routine.


Through the door there came familiar laughter,
I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 84 - 340
Sandford1981
March 21, 2021, 9:18am
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,375
Posts Per Day: 0.99
Reputation: 90.8%
Rep Score: +11 / 0
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +2,085
Gold Stars: 59
Quoted from KingstonMariner


When people do show care for other people they’re branded ‘snowflakes’ and generally trashed. Terms like ‘the offence industry’ are used. People striving to bring about greater fairness in society are attacked verbally in the media, social media and sometimes physically. Sometimes you hear stuff like ‘I had it tough growing up in the’ 50s/60s/70s or whenever. ‘I had to work hard’. As if to say other people’s experience doesn’t count or that because one person didn’t have it easy other people should be treated unfairly.


Sadly, this is absolutely spot on. I think a lot of people lack the self awareness to see beyond their own frame of reference.


“I know writers who use subtext and they’re all cowards.” –Garth Marenghi
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 85 - 340
DB
March 21, 2021, 3:30pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 18,739
Posts Per Day: 15.50
Reputation: 57.79%
Rep Score: +13 / -13
Approval: +3,975
Gold Stars: 386
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Gotta question why society has become more individualistic DB. The market was placed at the centre of life. This has led economic and political thinking for over 40 years. People keep voting for the party who promote individualism.

When people do show care for other people they’re branded ‘snowflakes’ and generally trashed. Terms like ‘the offence industry’ are used. People striving to bring about greater fairness in society are attacked verbally in the media, social media and sometimes physically. Sometimes you hear stuff like ‘I had it tough growing up in the’ 50s/60s/70s or whenever. ‘I had to work hard’. As if to say other people’s experience doesn’t count or that because one person didn’t have it easy other people should be treated unfairly.

Ironically it’s the often same people who say let the migrants crossing the Channel drown - people who have probably had it far tougher than the old bloke giving it the ‘I had it hard in my day’ routine.


I was brought up in the early 50's after the troubles of WW2. People had suffered together, friends relations and know people had died in the war. The general atmosphere was that of helping each other because it was a part of life after the war years.

We had won the war and everybody wanted something better after all those years of hardship. A new dawn that has gradually evolved into present day life. If it's new the theory is it's better but alas as the saying goes you don't know what you've got till it's gone!  I know from my experience when told how a change was going to make things better, and I questioned it pointing out it would be worse, being told I was negative even though I had facts to prove my case.

I know I'm generalising but the few individuals over the years have been held up as role models and the reason behind their success ignored, because they made things better!, but better for who?

i.e. The man who, allegedly, borrowed his friends untaxed uninsured car without the permission of his friend to move his stock around London. Very illegal, criminal anti social and extremely selfish dangerous and could inflict damage to the public. The name I was given was RICHARD BRANSON.  Says it all really.


You can please some of the forumites some of the time but not all the forumites all of the time
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 86 - 340
TheRonRaffertyFanClub
March 21, 2021, 3:48pm
Special Brew Drinker
Posts: 7,638
Posts Per Day: 1.34
Reputation: 79.65%
Rep Score: +43 / -11
Location: Norfolk
Approval: +8,658
Gold Stars: 23
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Gotta question why society has become more individualistic DB. The market was placed at the centre of life. This has led economic and political thinking for over 40 years. People keep voting for the party who promote individualism.

When people do show care for other people they’re branded ‘snowflakes’ and generally trashed. Terms like ‘the offence industry’ are used. People striving to bring about greater fairness in society are attacked verbally in the media, social media and sometimes physically. Sometimes you hear stuff like ‘I had it tough growing up in the’ 50s/60s/70s or whenever. ‘I had to work hard’. As if to say other people’s experience doesn’t count or that because one person didn’t have it easy other people should be treated unfairly.

Ironically it’s the often same people who say let the migrants crossing the Channel drown - people who have probably had it far tougher than the old bloke giving it the ‘I had it hard in my day’ routine.



This surely cannot be true. Even allowing for the voting bit, we have had a state led caring system (how good is irrelevant here) since 1948. We could just as easily argue that this has made people blasé about individual caring and pass the job from individuals to professionals and then moan it is not good enough or underfunded or whatever.

I simply detest being told when and where and how to care. That responsibility is mine alone not some woke twerp like Prince Harry or William or some footballer or media personality, or mass movement on Twitter. I have spent my whole life caring, professionally and personally and the latter is how it should be but I don’t expect or demand caring in return. What people want to give is up to them. When an issue arises I make a decision, do I care enough about neglect of children, cruelty to tigers, BLM, mental health, ex-service personnel........ to make a sacrifice? Am I able to help my poorly relative or neighbour in some way? If I think it’s worthwhile and I can then fine, if not then that issue misses out.

This covid isolation is an example. Round here we have done what we can for each other and looked out for each other but nobody has been pestering other people to do things and it has worked fine.





“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 87 - 340
KingstonMariner
March 21, 2021, 4:40pm
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.08
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218



This surely cannot be true. Even allowing for the voting bit, we have had a state led caring system (how good is irrelevant here) since 1948. We could just as easily argue that this has made people blasé about individual caring and pass the job from individuals to professionals and then moan it is not good enough or underfunded or whatever.

I simply detest being told when and where and how to care. That responsibility is mine alone not some woke twerp like Prince Harry or William or some footballer or media personality, or mass movement on Twitter. I have spent my whole life caring, professionally and personally and the latter is how it should be but I don’t expect or demand caring in return. What people want to give is up to them. When an issue arises I make a decision, do I care enough about neglect of children, cruelty to tigers, BLM, mental health, ex-service personnel........ to make a sacrifice? Am I able to help my poorly relative or neighbour in some way? If I think it’s worthwhile and I can then fine, if not then that issue misses out.

This covid isolation is an example. Round here we have done what we can for each other and looked out for each other but nobody has been pestering other people to do things and it has worked fine.





Who said anything about pestering? I don’t give two hoots about what any royals or slebs say. There’s plenty of ordinary people who support causes promoting fairness because they think it’s the right thing to do. But they’re overlooked or dismissed as woke, snowflakes and seen as mere dupes to celebrities and royals.

The only reason we continue to have the NHS is it would be political suicide to do away with it. I can’t see how it has made people less caring having this safety net. Everything else has been run down or sold off in the last 40 years.

Generally society is less caring than it was. We had food banks even before Covid. We never used to have any. The only homeless people 40 years ago were tramps. In one of the richest countries in the world. If that ain’t a sign of a society that cares less than it used to, God knows what is. I’m alright jack.


Through the door there came familiar laughter,
I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 88 - 340
smokey111
March 21, 2021, 5:53pm
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,462
Posts Per Day: 0.27
Reputation: 89.2%
Rep Score: +8 / 0
Approval: +3,355
Gold Stars: 46
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Who said anything about pestering? I don’t give two hoots about what any royals or slebs say. There’s plenty of ordinary people who support causes promoting fairness because they think it’s the right thing to do. But they’re overlooked or dismissed as woke, snowflakes and seen as mere dupes to celebrities and royals.

The only reason we continue to have the NHS is it would be political suicide to do away with it. I can’t see how it has made people less caring having this safety net. Everything else has been run down or sold off in the last 40 years.

Generally society is less caring than it was. We had food banks even before Covid. We never used to have any. The only homeless people 40 years ago were tramps. In one of the richest countries in the world. If that ain’t a sign of a society that cares less than it used to, God knows what is. I’m alright jack.


Interesting to read that once again Finland has been acknowledged as the happiest and most content nation. Not sure what they are doing, or what lessons there are to be learnt?

A tweet from the Finnish embassy in America stated-

"Our #happiness stems from a balanced everyday life, supported by good governance, trust, wellbeing and equality. The pandemic has not changed this long-lasting foundation."

Sounds a cliche, but work life balance was one of the key indicators in many of the top 10.

Politics alert.....I think the Thatcher government encouraged selfishness and made it a virtue to be last out the office or work 70+ hours. The dismantling of unions has led to a fearful, uncertain and often unprotected workforce. How can this not increase anxiety and depression?

Just my two penneth.


"The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.” Bill Shankly
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 89 - 340
35 Pages Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 ... Next All Recommend Thread
Print

Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Non Football › Mental Health

Thread Rating

There have been 3 votes for this thread.
 

Back to top of page

This is not an official forum of Grimsby Town Football Club, the opinions expressed are those of the individual authors. If you see an offensive post then click "Report" on the relevant post. Posts will be deleted at the discretion of the moderators whose decision is final. Posts should abide by the Forum Rules. IP addresses of contributors together with dates and times of access are stored. The opinions and viewpoints expressed by contributors to The Fishy are their own and not necessarily those of The Fishy. The Fishy makes no claims that information dispersed through this forum is accurate or reliable. Also The Fishy cannot be held liable for any statements made by contributors of The Fishy.