Mental Health

Well done Chris!
I’l just say I’m lucky to get out and about with my job and if there is anyone vulnerable feeling isolated and in need of any urgent essentials then let me know (PM me) i will do my best to drop off (Grimsby area).

Odd topic to Red Cross but I guess that contributes as much to mental health as anything these days.

Kindness doesn’t cost anything, helping people doesn’t cost anything. Whatever cultural, ethnic, religious or political background or persuasion, fundamentally, being kind and caring goes a long way.

As with many things, recognising you need help and support is the first step. For therapy to work, on average you’ll need three goes at it but it’s worth sticking out. It’s hard, upsetting, traumatic and tiring but it’s worthwhile. It doesn’t happen overnight but it does work.

There’s always folk out there and sometimes the anonymity helps, take this board, whilst a few of us know who each other is, many don’t and we have pseudonyms, that can help the person requiring the support; just saying whatever they need to say is a start or can even go along way to helping long term.

Quoted from aldi_01

Odd topic to Red Cross but I guess that contributes as much to mental health as anything these days.

Kindness doesn’t cost anything, helping people doesn’t cost anything. Whatever cultural, ethnic, religious or political background or persuasion, fundamentally, being kind and caring goes a long way.

As with many things, recognising you need help and support is the first step. For therapy to work, on average you’ll need three goes at it but it’s worth sticking out. It’s hard, upsetting, traumatic and tiring but it’s worthwhile. It doesn’t happen overnight but it does work.

There’s always folk out there and sometimes the anonymity helps, take this board, whilst a few of us know who each other is, many don’t and we have pseudonyms, that can help the person requiring the support; just saying whatever they need to say is a start or can even go along way to helping long term.

This. Well said my friend.

Quoted from Sandford1981

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56406648

Still brings back memories. I use to love watching football focus .I remember watching Gary Speed on the Saturday morning on football focus and in the evening he hung himself. Heard it next day and was stunned. To take your life when you had a wife and children is beyond me. Only thing I can assume is from reading  reports of why he died  was it may not of been fully intentional eg changed his mind when he was gasping for his last breaths. Whatever was the truth for why he done it he was in a terribly dark place.

For me just a huge shame someone didnt get to him in time and moved him to want to live before he attempted to and sadly died from hanging.

Mental health is the sad side of the NHS, not that it is the fault of the NHS. The NHS can only do what their masters, red or blue, want/let them do.
The first problem of mental health is that no body wants to think, never mind admit they have a problem. Man up as the saying goes. So in not admitting to oneself the situation you will not go to a GP.

Where in lies the next problem. Because of the delay in attending surgery treatment starts later than it should. Treatment should be direct at the cause it is not, treatment is more than likely aimed to help people cope. The cause be it low self esteem caused by money, life expectation crisis, family problems or what ever is rarely tackled.

GP's refer to consultants who are few in number. I don't know the exact numbers involved but to put it in some context just look at the number of staff employed in the vast DPOW hospital for non mental patients and the number at the tiny Harrison House building on Peaks Lane. I often compare somebody who 'looks' normal but with health issues, to somebody in a wheelchair, on crutches, wing up or in a cast. Neither groups are well but one group are deemed by society to healthy because their problems are not seen.

If people are extremely lucky, once diagnosed with a mental health issue, they may get help through the social care system which to my knowledge have specialist sub groups. I know of a case where a patient was allocated help in this section. For arguments sake their were about 10 subsections and team 1 went. They couldn't help but was sure team 2 could, however they reassured the patient that they definitely needed help. This went on until team 10 arrived who repeated the same story advising team 1 would give the best help!

If have only scratched a small surface of the problems which our politicians want to ignore and why do they ignore it. Mainly because it is not and never will be an election issue. Why will it never be an election issue is very simple, nobody wants to admit to the stigma of a mental health problem.

This brings us nice back to the beginning of the circle. The cost to the nation must be in the billions but is never measured, apart from medication, as it doesn't exist until somebody famous commits suicide. The poor dear couldn't cope is a reason given, whereas the real reason is society in general has turned it's on the the range of mental health issues.

Quoted from DB

This brings us nice back to the beginning of the circle. The cost to the nation must be in the billions but is never measured, apart from medication, as it doesn't exist until somebody famous commits suicide. The poor dear couldn't cope is a reason given, whereas the real reason is society in general has turned it's on the the range of mental health issues.

Interesting story I heard  last year DB. Tyson Furys Uncle Peter gave a Christmas card to his next door neighbour who was old. Following this a friendship formed and he now checks on her once every three weeks with a phone call. This kindness improved her life greatly as she was very lonely. To often even where I live people go to work come back and some have little time for elderly neighbours not returning Christmas cards etc. I remember reading research as well in care homes. Old people who had little social contact and not much of a life eg just sat in front of a television all day died out on average a lot sooner than those who had social contacts and had a life .

Quoted from DB

Mental health is the sad side of the NHS, not that it is the fault of the NHS. The NHS can only do what their masters, red or blue, want/let them do.
The first problem of mental health is that no body wants to think, never mind admit they have a problem. Man up as the saying goes. So in not admitting to oneself the situation you will not go to a GP.

Where in lies the next problem. Because of the delay in attending surgery treatment starts later than it should. Treatment should be direct at the cause it is not, treatment is more than likely aimed to help people cope. The cause be it low self esteem caused by money, life expectation crisis, family problems or what ever is rarely tackled.

GP's refer to consultants who are few in number. I don't know the exact numbers involved but to put it in some context just look at the number of staff employed in the vast DPOW hospital for non mental patients and the number at the tiny Harrison House building on Peaks Lane. I often compare somebody who 'looks' normal but with health issues, to somebody in a wheelchair, on crutches, wing up or in a cast. Neither groups are well but one group are deemed by society to healthy because their problems are not seen.

If people are extremely lucky, once diagnosed with a mental health issue, they may get help through the social care system which to my knowledge have specialist sub groups. I know of a case where a patient was allocated help in this section. For arguments sake their were about 10 subsections and team 1 went. They couldn't help but was sure team 2 could, however they reassured the patient that they definitely needed help. This went on until team 10 arrived who repeated the same story advising team 1 would give the best help!

If have only scratched a small surface of the problems which our politicians want to ignore and why do they ignore it. Mainly because it is not and never will be an election issue. Why will it never be an election issue is very simple, nobody wants to admit to the stigma of a mental health problem.

This brings us nice back to the beginning of the circle. The cost to the nation must be in the billions but is never measured, apart from medication, as it doesn't exist until somebody famous commits suicide. The poor dear couldn't cope is a reason given, whereas the real reason is society in general has turned it's on the the range of mental health issues.

There is simply not the provision for help which is due to year on year of cuts to funding and services. It’s a very sad state of affairs. My better half works for Navigo at Harrison house and they are extremely busy and I bet the facility could be five times bigger and still be so, which is frightening really.

The issue of mental health disorders and how best to tackle them is a complex issue that we are getting badly wrong unfortunately.

We’ve undoubtedly made progress regarding the stigmatisation of mental health particularly in males but we have some distance to go too. Phrases like the ones you mention trip off the tongue so easily and are imbedded in our culture and our subconscious. It’s harmful and it’s that simple to me, though it’s relatively early so I will not get on my soapbox.

Quoted from Sandford1981

There is simply not the provision for help which is due to year on year of cuts to funding and services. It’s a very sad state of affairs. My better half works for Navigo at Harrison house and they are extremely busy and I bet the facility could be five times bigger and still be so, which is frightening really.

The issue of mental health disorders and how best to tackle them is a complex issue that we are getting badly wrong unfortunately.

We’ve undoubtedly made progress regarding the stigmatisation of mental health particularly in males but we have some distance to go too. Phrases like the ones you mention trip off the tongue so easily and are imbedded in our culture and our subconscious. It’s harmful and it’s that simple to me, though it’s relatively early so I will not get on my soapbox.

You never know who reads this site so get on your soapbox, whatever you say may make a difference and be a life saver to someone, now or in the future.

Quoted from Rick12

Still brings back memories. I use to love watching football focus .I remember watching Gary Speed on the Saturday morning on football focus and in the evening he hung himself. Heard it next day and was stunned. To take your life when you had a wife and children is beyond me. Only thing I can assume is from reading  reports of why he died  was it may not of been fully intentional eg changed his mind when he was gasping for his last breaths. Whatever was the truth for why he done it he was in a terribly dark place.

For me just a huge shame someone didnt get to him in time and moved him to want to live before he attempted to and sadly died from hanging.

I can tell by experience Rick that when you go to that dark place and decide to end it all nothing else is on your mind.

You can have a loving family and friends but the only thing on your mind is to end it. I can not explain why just wanting to die is all that goes on in your mind.

I watched that football focus and there was no sign of any depression with Gary Speed in fact he looked happy and Shearer said they were talking about going fishing the next week. Then on the evening he had gone the curtain must have come down very quick for him to do that as usually it's a build up of things before nothing else is on your mind and you think it's the only thing to do.

Once you have tried to end it and failed you recognise the trigger points and if you have a loving family and friends you can reach out for help.

Sadly that is not enough for some and they still go through with it.

The mind is a very powerful thing and sometimes we have no control of it.