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Sandford1981
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I was only just discussing this last week with the wife, Would these people in your opinion be classed as having mental health issues? My wife thinks yes I disagree.


I don’t think my opinion, judgment or labels are important, who am I to judge?

Every person suffers mental ill health differently and has their own unique set of circumstances.

However someone gets there I just believe wholeheartedly that support should be readily available for those that require it.

I know I may come across as ‘woolly’ but perhaps naively, I’d like anyone suffering to have access to treatment before they get to the stage, in which suicide is an option.


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There is always a reason but sometimes people will just have had enough of life, hard to contemplate but there will be some who have got so bored with it all suicide is the best way out.
Then we have people who decide to end it through shame usually religious but not always, a broken heart, terminal illness, etc, many reasons but definitely not mental health related in my opinion.

I think the words ‘mental health’ needs to be redefined as it’s to close to ‘mental illness’ we band the word mental health around to easily these days, someone locked up in Broadmoor because he believes he’s the Devil and wants to kill all mankind, will obviously be suffering from a form of mental health/illness. But then someone who goes off sick with depression because he’s gambled all his wages will also be classed as suffering mental health the meaning is getting watered down the longer it carry’s on.
We have reached a point where everybody knows somebody who is suffering mental health these days, this wasn’t normal 20 years ago.


It was their 20 years and longer ago. The problem in those days was that the carpet huge, bigger than a cricket ground, and their were many brushes. With reference to your gambler man I think I would describe him as down rather than depressed, my reason being he's looking for his next winner,

Their is definitely different types of mental illness from the extremes of schizophrenia to mild depression which may be overcome with time. The problem is how people come to terms with their illness, how much(in terms of input) the doctors want to give and how much we can help our fellow human beings.


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Yes it can be disputed. Mental illness can be just that - illness with no apparent cause. In fact I would argue that the actual illnesses are only peripherally the result of society. More often they are about personal tragedy, bereavement, depression about a personal issue, hereditary or congenital. I am not saying your other issues don’t count, they do. But catch all causes and solutions do not help in analysing the individual paranoia or schizophrenia or just the depression we all get now and again. There are many types of mental illness from that short lived depression  to lifelong epilepsy. Some can be cured but some just have to be lived with like such physical conditions as diabetes.



I am sorry to hear about your great grandfather. Hopefully the problems he had would be treated differently today. I can whole heartedly agree with your above comments and what you say probably applies to more people than we suspect.

You go to the doctors and a friend/someone you know. How are you, I'm alright how are you? O I'm alright. Bloody liars, neither are alright or they wouldn't be at the doctors!

Our reluctance to admit our health problems seems to be inbred in the majority of us. As for me I suffer from something called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Chronic Pain Syndrome/Fibromyalgia depending upon crossing T's and dotting's. I self diagnosed after 2 years of various symptoms which my GP at that time didn't recognise.

I was looking at this pain thing called fibromyalgia on the internet and saw I had 38 of the 40 symptoms. A consultant told me the Good News, it's not going to kill you. The bad news, we can't cure it as we don't know what causes it and pain killers wont help. The pain clinic consultant told me he thought my nerve ends were shot and offered me drugs which, although would numb the pain, would not give me any quality of life. I forgot about the drugs.

I know about pain, depression, tension, stress and anxiety. High and lows some sleep, no sleep no motivation, no energy; as I said about 38 in total not all at the same time. Pain, anxiety and motivation are the worst, which usually double up on me most days coupled with old age which doesn't help.

If I walked passed you in the street you wouldn't know. Basically I cannot be cured and medication is of little help so you may wonder how the hell do I manage. Firstly I never want sympathy but understanding, I do what I can when I can. Being optimistic and positive about my life ( you might have guessed ) enjoy the good days and when the bad days are here then I look forward to the good days coming. In the bad days do anything make a cup of tea, slice of toast so you can look back at achieving something that day. Laughing, joking and the banter on The Fishy board help, even if I'm the but of somebody's post. My glass is always half full, but not my empty wine glass!

Decades ago I was told about life being put into 3 box's;

The Doing Box, If you are able do want you can and solve your problem;

The Asking Box, Do what you can but if you need help to solve a problem don't be afraid to ask; and lastly the most important box which has pulled me out of many a depression.

The Sod All Box, in other words it doesn't matter what the problem is, and you can't fix, and the people you ask for help can't fix then theirs only one solution. Forget it because all the worrying in the world is not going to change it.

And finally my ultimatum pick me up that if the above fails this doesn't. I am not going to die with what I have but if you had terminal cancer and told you have, say, 15 days to live. Today is day 17, thankfully I don't have to cope with that type of situation. In other word their is always someone worse than you, and it's true.

I also have, which I know some will disagree with, is my belief in Jesus Christ and an eternal life. I have had that belief for decades, prior to this illness, and without it, at a very dark point in my life, would probably have been another statistic.

I sincerely hope that this testament helps anybody that reads it, their relations, friends or neighbours, even my red cross people on The Fishy cope with todays pressures of mental illness.

PS

My normal defence mechanism is to box things up with nails, super glue and clamps because people do not want to understand. I have opened my box in the hope that I may save one life.


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If I walked passed you in the street you wouldn't know. Basically I cannot be cured and medication is of little help so you may wonder how the hell do I manage. Firstly I never want sympathy but understanding, I do what I can when I can. Being optimistic and positive about my life ( you might have guessed ) enjoy the good days and when the bad days are here then I look forward to the good days coming. In the bad days do anything make a cup of tea, slice of toast so you can look back at achieving something that day. Laughing, joking and the banter on The Fishy board help, even if I'm the but of somebody's post. My glass is always half full, but not my empty wine glass!



One day at a time as the song goes!

I actually think we already live in a society that does much for people with mental issues. Some of it we get wrong but a lot we get right. For example children do not run along behind maimed soldiers calling names. They don’t break bottles behind shell shock victims to make them scream. Both were not uncommon in the 1920s. So we have changed our public attitudes to a considerable degree.

At the same time Mental health provision in the C20th gets a bad press sometimes unfairly. Those big hospitals so forbidding colour our opinions but they were once state of the art and so was much of the treatment. Stanley Royd and Storthes Hall in Yorkshire had therapeutic treatments for PTSD sufferers that were developed in late Victorian times.

Of course sedative drugs were used extensively to keep patients calm and ECT used overmuch. But this is where C21st treatment falls down regardless of whatever kindnesses are offered by other individuals. How do we know if the drug cocktails and chemical coshes used today are any more long term effective than those from years past?. Look at how children are being routinely diagnosed with attention deficit disorder simply as a convenient way of dealing with bad behaviour.  I think we might find that many of the teenagers and 20+ with mental health issues started on the road through this and exacerbated by their own drug use. When they mature they will never have the mental wherewithal to do your self-help routine DB.



“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
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It was their 20 years and longer ago. The problem in those days was that the carpet huge, bigger than a cricket ground, and their were many brushes. With reference to your gambler man I think I would describe him as down rather than depressed, my reason being he's looking for his next winner,

Their is definitely different types of mental illness from the extremes of schizophrenia to mild depression which may be overcome with time. The problem is how people come to terms with their illness, how much(in terms of input) the doctors want to give and how much we can help our fellow human beings.


I think you missed my point slightly, 20 years ago people at my place of work would take sick days off with a bad back, these days it’s now depression.
I don’t want to play down what must be a harrowing experience for many people, especially to those who have posted their personal problems on here, Which was very moving and opened my eyes to how widespread mental health can reach.

But we now live in a society where school kids are diagnosed with mental health disorders in bigger numbers, reports vary but I’ve seen statistics as low as 1 in 6....This is crazy! And my worry is as more and more children are being diagnosed for nothing more than the worries of childhood, then the kids that are really suffering will miss out on the treatment they desperately need.
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But we now live in a society where school kids are diagnosed with mental health disorders in bigger numbers, reports vary but I’ve seen statistics as low as 1 in 6....This is crazy! And my worry is as more and more children are being diagnosed for nothing more than the worries of childhood, then the kids that are really suffering will miss out on the treatment they desperately need.


Per the British Journal of Psychiatry, 1 in 7 of young adults have ‘hurt themselves on purpose in an attempt to end their life’ by the age of 17.

Assuming those surveyed were being truthful, they are staggering figures.

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I think you missed my point slightly, 20 years ago people at my place of work would take sick days off with a bad back, these days it’s now depression.
I don’t want to play down what must be a harrowing experience for many people, especially to those who have posted their personal problems on here, Which was very moving and opened my eyes to how widespread mental health can reach.

But we now live in a society where school kids are diagnosed with mental health disorders in bigger numbers, reports vary but I’ve seen statistics as low as 1 in 6....This is crazy! And my worry is as more and more children are being diagnosed for nothing more than the worries of childhood, then the kids that are really suffering will miss out on the treatment they desperately need.


Thank you for explaining and I now see what you mean. From what you say and your descriptions I tend to think that none of these type of cases, generally speaking, are mental illness but of stretching of symptoms to make out mental illness. On the pitch we call it coning the ref..

Perhaps a lot of this goes down to an old saying of spare the rod and spoil the child. Children today know their rights and play up to them, for no reason at all but to be little bug gers. I think this applies to parents but hit a child, slap on the legs, it's assault child brutality assaulted by cruel parents and woe betide a teacher doing it. When I was at school a class mate cheeked a teacher who then went to slap him, my class mate ducked and the returning backhander didn't miss.

We are now well and truly into a nanny state where anything goes to get someone their own way. Disability and mental illness has become, to some, a means of getting what they want regardless of the true illness if any that they suffer from.

The problem of people pretending to be mentally ill could be greater than those who are ill; consequently taking vital resources from those who really need it




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Per the British Journal of Psychiatry, 1 in 7 of young adults have ‘hurt themselves on purpose in an attempt to end their life’ by the age of 17.

Assuming those surveyed were being truthful, they are staggering figures.



Extremely sad yet entirely believable statistics. Having worked with young people for the last 11 years the evidence of self harm is increasingly prevalent.


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Extremely sad yet entirely believable statistics. Having worked with young people for the last 11 years the evidence of self harm is increasingly prevalent.


You do have wonder what is the cause. Peer pressure, great expectations of them from relative, couldn't cope with the world outside school, any suggestions on this?


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Children should never have to feel the need to hurt themselves, 1 in 100 would be terrible, what a copulated up world we live in.
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