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Cambridgefish
September 13, 2020, 11:30am
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Hospitals didn't get overrun because we went into lockdown. Heading into the flu season and opening up society completely is a disaster waiting to happen for the NHS. If things are pushed too far, we'll end up with another 3 months not able to leave the house.


Sweden didn't go into lockdown and their hospitals weren't overrun.

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We also (with great fanfare and expense) built a 4000 bed hospital at the Excel centre   - it had zero patients and was then quietly closed.




Don't worry It will be busy soon when all the twits who are ignoring advice infect those who are older and with lower immunity


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Sweden didn't go into lockdown and their hospitals weren't overrun.



Probably because their health service wasn't as underfunded and unprepared as ours



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September 13, 2020, 11:35am
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We'll have a vaccine by early next year. Everything I hear about the Oxford one suggests it'll do the job once they've finished the Phase 3 trials (and my source for this is my brother who is actually working on it and listed as one of the authors here - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31604-4/fulltext)


Let's hope so. We've been trying to get a vaccine for hepatitis C for 10 years without success so who knows for sure.

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September 13, 2020, 11:39am
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If you've got a 50,000 person strong vaccine trial running over several months it's not that unlikely one of your volunteers will end up in hospital for some unexplained reason during it. For safety and public confidence it makes complete sense to investigate the circumstances fully before resuming the trial, but it's not exactly a sign the vaccine is unsafe when you've got 49.99k others who've so far taken it without issue.


If you've got 66,000,000 people in a country and 0.06% of them die of a new virus, it does however make sense to spend £350 billion pounds and create 1 million unemployed and fill the papers every day with horror stories?

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September 13, 2020, 11:50am
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Where did I say I expect a vaccine? Given the short time antibodies seem to be present, it does seem like a vaccine might be difficult, since you might have to have multiple doses every year.

It is a different situation though, hep C hasn't devastated the world in the same way as Covid. There has never been such an effort to produce a vaccine, and progress is likely to be better because it is needed more.


Apologies for misquoting. I've read a few messages along the lines of 'We ought to stay locked up until there's a vaccine'. I'm just worried the vaccine won't be quite so simple.

Happy to accept you didn't say that and I apologise again.

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September 13, 2020, 12:00pm
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Have they? They're not doing much differently to most countries in the world. We were probably a bit slow to react early on, when nobody knew how bad the virus was, but since then we've done the same things that virtually every other country has done.

I can't think of anything that they could have done that people would praise them for. Lock down more and pro business people moan, lock down less and socialists moan. Whatever they do, more people will moan than be happy.


I certainly don't blame the Government for reacting the way they did when we saw what was happening in Italy at the start of this. I can't say I'm very impressed with the Track and Trace system or the phone app they tried to introduce. My IT mate told me it would never work as Apple and Google have their software working the way they want. For some reason we believed Serco government contractors had better IT staff than Apple and Google. Bizarre.
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Have they? They're not doing much differently to most countries in the world. We were probably a bit slow to react early on, when nobody knew how bad the virus was, but since then we've done the same things that virtually every other country has done.

I can't think of anything that they could have done that people would praise them for. Lock down more and pro business people moan, lock down less and socialists moan. Whatever they do, more people will moan than be happy.


Start here:

https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1583521197/s-new/



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September 13, 2020, 12:11pm
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Probably because their health service wasn't as underfunded and unprepared as ours



Possibly so. I know  few people who work in the NHS and I always say that we spend £130 billion a year and employ 1.5 million people (the largest employers in Europe)

How much money and how many staff will make them happy?

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Head of Test and Trace and the new health authority, also ex Talk Talk, on The Jockey Club board and a big mate of Hancock. Also married to some Tory MP who wants to privatise the NHS.


Dido Harding has experience of running a mass communications and technology company. That is ideal experience......oh hang on a minute, that company was TalkTalk and they got a record fine for a massive data breach.

You could not make it up could you.  


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