Fans Returning/Cases Rising

Quoted from Mikey_345

Late April. I’m 29 and it’s the illest I’ve ever felt, was very worried at the time.

Was at times really difficult to just sit and breath normally without pain from coughing. Temperature and the fever was also Ridiculous.

Must admit I felt fatigued for weeks and weeks afterwards.

Regrettably had 3 family friends pass away from this. No underline health conditions and generally fit and well, which is why I have no time for this bullshit of “it’s just flu” from some people.

Covid facts. The average age of people in UK dying from Covid = 77. (Average world life expectancy = 74)

Only 2% of UK deaths are in people under 50. Most deaths were of people who had underlying health conditions.

So of the 40,000 or so deaths so far you personally know 3 fit and healthy people who died? I'm sorry for your loss(es) but you must be the unluckiest man in the UK. Or not quite telling the whole truth.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Anyone parroting the 'it's just like the flu' line hasn't got a clue what they're on about. Here's an article from today on the long term effects experienced by a number of individuals, including young people, infected by the virus - https://www.newstatesman.com/p.....vid-19-last-patients

Very left wing magazine which will try to pick stories that show the Government in a bad light. I apply the same rules when I am listening to Government statements as well - they have handled this appallingly and I don't believe half of what they say either.

Quoted from wuffing

Agreed. The flu is horrendous. In words it is like being attacked internally and it runs amok until your body eventually heats up to molten lava levels to kill the bloody thing!

That's how nature works. We have been fighting viruses for millions of years in this exact way. You do realise Covid doesn't want to kill us? It would then  also die. It wants us to feel ill, cough and sneeze and spread it around so it can survive.

Quoted from Cambridgefish

Very left wing magazine which will try to pick stories that show the Government in a bad light. I apply the same rules when I am listening to Government statements as well - they have handled this appallingly and I don't believe half of what they say either.

Have they? They're not doing much differently to most countries in the world. We were probably a bit slow to react early on, when nobody knew how bad the virus was, but since then we've done the same things that virtually every other country has done.

I can't think of anything that they could have done that people would praise them for. Lock down more and pro business people moan, lock down less and socialists moan. Whatever they do, more people will moan than be happy.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Saw those Swin, the legs anyway. Yes it’s true what you say but I’m just saying that the local situation is different to the National figures that seem to drive the government.  Incidentally, this is the first time the individual hospital stats have been published. I asked for these in April and the GT said they had asked already but the Trust refused to release them. Why would it take a FIA request to get some information like that I wonder, why did the Trust not want people to know that Scunthorpe had by far the most infections?

Why would they not want you to know the number of cases is so low? Because they want everyone to panic? Sweden has kept open throughout and they seem to have stabilised. Admittedly Swedish people are generally more intelligent and socially aware than the Brits!

Quoted from Cambridgefish

Why would they not want you to know the number of cases is so low? Because they want everyone to panic? Sweden has kept open throughout and they seem to have stabilised. Admittedly Swedish people are generally more intelligent and socially aware than the Brits!

I think it’s hard to draw on comparisons with Sweden, as I understand it, their population density is only 10 % of the UK and that must be a factor I guess?

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The problem is that the death rate is so low because most people behaved throughout spring and summer, which meant that the virus didn't spread as badly as feared.

The indications are that in winter the virus will be even more dangerous.  Yes, the death rate is low which is a positive.  I fully accept the argument between hospital admissions/deaths against the numbers of people testing positive for the virus. I'm actually becoming more and more favourable to a herd immunity argument which is something I never thought I'd hear myself saying.

But if the much talked about second wave comes back and is twice, three, four....times as hard as the first, our health infrastructure will not cope.  We don't have enough Doctors, Nurses, Porters, HCA's to cope.  We don't have the equipment or estate to cope either.  {quote}


The hospitals were busy in April and May and have been virtually empty since. The recent rise in positive tests has not led to a corresponding rise in hospital admissions. I thought the reason we were locking down was to save the NHS. But we have managed to create 1 million extra unemployed people and close down lots of businesses.

Quoted from Cambridgefish

Why would they not want you to know the number of cases is so low? Because they want everyone to panic? Sweden has kept open throughout and they seem to have stabilised. Admittedly Swedish people are generally more intelligent and socially aware than the Brits!

Sweden as a country has the benefit of being extremely sparsely populated. England has one of the highest densities of population in the world, double that of even Germany and three or four times greater than France.

Sweden average IQ, 99.. UK average IQ 100.. let's continue the theme of bashing everything that is British shall we? Although I have to agree on the Swedes being more socially aware..

Quoted from ska face

Just out of interest, how many people are you willing to have die so you can sit and watch GTFC for 90 mins once a week?

You do realise that in an 'average' year 10,000 people a week die in the UK?. So in the six months since lockdown 260,000 people would have normally died anyway

Quoted from ska face

So is that...what, one or more dead people so you can watch lower league football once a fortnight? Couldn’t quite make it out from your post. 500 more maybe? 1000 fathers and mothers?

It’s all well and good talking about low mortality rates, but the issue is the fact that those who require hospital treatment require fairly intensive treatment and resources - beds, ventilators, monitoring etc - which we don’t have the capacity for. This is why whole hospitals and entire wards had to be cleared of sick people, and other illnesses like cancer treatment were put on the back burner. “Protect The NHS” and all that - the measures in place are to stop the total collapse of the health service.

Interesting stat on road traffic accidents, though perhaps not relevant unless you can spread car crashes by coughing on people...

We also (with great fanfare and expense) built a 4000 bed hospital at the Excel centre   - it had zero patients and was then quietly closed.