Hi all. I hope you don't mind me invading the forum. I run a podcast called Why Always Us where we speak to fans of a different club each week about all the biggest injustices that have ever happened to their team - on or off the field.
This weekend we're recording with two Grimsby Town supporters and so I wanted to ask you to list your top 3 worst in this thread, so I can ask our guests about any that they don't happen to bring up.
We're looking for terrible referee decisions, off field debacles and anything else where you think the football gods have it in for you or 'that could only happen to Grimsby' For example, our QPR fans mentioned a dodgy goal in a game that didn't even involve them that ended up getting them relegated, Everton had the outbreak of 2 world wars that broke up their championship winning teams. As a Spurs fan I'll never forget the disallowed goal at old trafford that was about 5 yards over the line.
If you're interested i will post the link to the episode in this thread once it's recorded. Thanks!
Hi all. I hope you don't mind me invading the forum. I run a podcast called Why Always Us where we speak to fans of a different club each week about all the biggest injustices that have ever happened to their team - on or off the field.
This weekend we're recording with two Grimsby Town supporters and so I wanted to ask you to list your top 3 worst in this thread, so I can ask our guests about any that they don't happen to bring up.
We're looking for terrible referee decisions, off field debacles and anything else where you think the football gods have it in for you or 'that could only happen to Grimsby' For example, our QPR fans mentioned a dodgy goal in a game that didn't even involve them that ended up getting them relegated, Everton had the outbreak of 2 world wars that broke up their championship winning teams. As a Spurs fan I'll never forget the disallowed goal at old trafford that was about 5 yards over the line.
If you're interested i will post the link to the episode in this thread once it's recorded. Thanks!
Before our time but World War Two for breaking up our best ever side which finished 5th in England's Premier league of the time and appeared in two FA Cup semi finals, the second of which is famous for the biggest crowd ever seen at Old Trafford a record which stands to this day.
Ross Joyce not sending off Will puddy for handling a goalbound effort outside of his box early on in the 2015 play off final because he didnt want to ruin the game
I think my worst injustice was when we played Bristol Rovers in the Conference play off final in May 2015, when after being 1-0 up after 2 minutes, the Mariners continued to press and Rovers goalkeeper Puddy blatantly handled Ollie Palmer's shot outside the area and was only given a yellow card.
I can't find reference to it, but I seem to recall that the ref said he didn't want to ruin the game at such an early stage.
Bristol then went on to equalise and won on penalties, meaning we were back in the Conference the next season.
Ross Joyce not sending off Will puddy for handling a goalbound effort outside of his box early on in the 2015 play off final because he didnt want to ruin the game
You posted this when I was typing mine, so great minds think alike.
In my time watching the Scott Neilsen sending off in the play off Semi-Final and the Puddy handball are the two big ones. We deserved to get relegated in 2010 as we were dreadful. The biggest injustice we probably had as a club was the 1939 FA Cup Semi Final. We battered Wolves for the first 20 minutes and then their striker committed GBH on our goalkeeper who spent 10 days in hospital afterwards. We had 10 men versus their 11 and no proper goalkeeper. Unsuprisingly we lost 5-0. Had that not have happened we could have probably beaten Wolves and we would have been favorites in the final against a Porstmouth side who finished below us in the league that season.
Another one what sticks out for me is when Steve Livingstone was knocked unconscious in that 2.1 defeat at home to Derby county, he ended up with a fractured skull, it was horrible to see that.
Injustice yeah the gateshead game. Ive never felt so slow driving home after a game. Felt robbed. Think Challinor not getting a red and continuing to play football and now manage whilst a very gifted Martin Pringle never played again has to be up there too
At home to Bolton promotion 3 pointer, Sean Cunnington clean through on goal legged up from behind in the penalty area. linesman did his job and waved his flag for 2 or 3 mins for a really blatant penalty and the ref totally ignored him and despite protests from players refused to go and speak to him, Wonder if it was Ross Joyces dad or something. Think its on Youtube somewhere. Another cracker salford away this year, scored from a direct free kick ref gave it, everyone headed back for the restart then after an ear battering from Salford manager, a couple of mins later the 4th official overuled the ref as we had a player on the end of the wall, first time Ive ever known a 4th official make decisions on the pitch based on a manager complaining to them
Adolf Hitler is the biggest ever villain for invading Austria and Poland when we were on the way to becoming an established top flight team (including reaching 2 FA Cup Semi-Finals).
We were relegated the first season after the war and have never been back again.
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Being told were signing a ‘hairs on the back of your neck standing up’ type player.
Challinor, Nielsen red card, playoff final 2015, Mike Newell, Bignot, Bra gate...
Then there’s just been some horrific moments, relegation out the league, THAT fans forum, supporters smuggling smoke bombs as tampons, Ivano, Mike Newell, Braintree away, Dagenham away, Livvo nearly getting killed, Nick Colgan, Proudlock penalty...
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Just scanned through. Did anyone mention the ITV Digital collapse?
We were the club most affected.
The Braintree thrashing.
Getting relegated by 0.006 of a goal and 0.75 of a goal.
Not the worst example, not substantiated either, but probably a sad indictment of how the authorities view Grimsby Town:
I think it was in a cup competition (pre WW2 or during the war). A game or replay could not be played. The tie was awarded to the other team “as they would probably have won anyway”!
Sadly, there are a lot of examples to pick from.......😫
One that sticks in my mind is Coventry's "goal" at Blundell Park a couple of seasons ago. Still to this day don't know how the ref allowed it to stand. Don't think he's reffed a league game since.
Ross Joyce not sending off Will puddy for handling a goalbound effort outside of his box early on in the 2015 play off final because he didnt want to ruin the game
Another one what sticks out for me is when Ian Livingstone was knocked unconscious in that 2.1 defeat at home to Derby county, he ended up with a fractured skull, it was horrible to see that.
Sticks out that much that you forgot his name!!
It was Steve livingstone. A true footballing warrior. Maybe he had a twin brother called Ian 🙂
Our total turnover in 2001/02 was £6.35m of which £3.83m was from television revenue. So 60% of our turnover was from ITV digital and that was lost overnight.
The following season our turnover dropped to £3.84m of which £1.13m came from television revenue.
We had the highest % of turnover coming from television revenue in 2001/02 and therefore lost the most as a percentage of turnover. Our turnover dropped 40% from the ITV digital season to the following season when Sky bought back the rights for a pittance.
We went from a club making a £1.4m profit to one that had to cut its budget by 25% and just managed to break even.
Add to that the transfer market in the FL collapsed so previously saleable assets we had like Danny Coyne and Phil Jevons suddenly became worthless as no one had any money to spend.
Town suffered disproportionately due to their (small) size compared to other bigger clubs. We were more at risk in absorbing the financial impact of the ITV Digital crash.
The Bristol non sending off incident has to be my biggest injustice given the circumstance/ occassion
Chasetown my absolute lowpoint, watching the players warm up on a bit of grass behind a burger van pre game before going on to lose, just all round embarrassing times
All the Fentyisms and antics over the last 10yrs or so, especially the fans forum debacle for sheer cringeworthiness
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The 1-1 draw with Northampton in 2006 was a low for me. That late equaliser which denied us automatic promotion was gut wrenching. Then to lose to Cheltenham in the play-offs. Oh the injustice! It took me months to get over it. The whole 2006 World Cup was runied for me, I could never really get into it because of that game and that goal weeks before.
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The 1-1 draw with Northampton in 2006 was a low for me. That late equaliser which denied us automatic promotion was gut wrenching. Then to lose to Cheltenham in the play-offs. Oh the injustice! It took me months to get over it. The whole 2006 World Cup was runied for me, I could never really get into it because of that game and that goal weeks before.
Leyton Orient got a late winner at Oxford, so the Northampton equaliser was irrelevent. We wouldn't have won promotion if we had beaten Northampton.
For me it has to be this result 18 December 1979 Grimsby Town 0–2 Wolverhampton Wanderers Hibbitt Goal (pen.)' Richards Goal Baseball Ground, Derby Attendance: 16,475
Not a pen yard or so outside the box Robbed I was convinced we had our name the cup
The result at Burton which ended in Defeat which resulted in Non League football very sad day for the club . The ref at Wembley 2015 shocking not to send of the Bristol Rovers keeper
For me it has to be this result 18 December 1979 Grimsby Town 0–2 Wolverhampton Wanderers Hibbitt Goal (pen.)' Richards Goal Baseball Ground, Derby Attendance: 16,475
Not a pen yard or so outside the box Robbed I was convinced we had our name the cup
The result at Burton which ended in Defeat which resulted in Non League football very sad day for the club . The ref at Wembley 2015 shocking not to send of the Bristol Rovers keeper
Was not allowed to go to the 2nd replay at the baseball ground, had to go to a Xmas party at Courtaulds. Kept asking for score updates, gutted when I found the the final score, not even a pressie from Santa, could cheer me up, cannot remember what it was.
At home to Bolton promotion 3 pointer, Sean Cunnington clean through on goal legged up from behind in the penalty area. linesman did his job and waved his flag for 2 or 3 mins for a really blatant penalty and the ref totally ignored him and despite protests from players refused to go and speak to him, Wonder if it was Ross Joyces dad or something. Think its on Youtube somewhere. Another cracker salford away this year, scored from a direct free kick ref gave it, everyone headed back for the restart then after an ear battering from Salford manager, a couple of mins later the 4th official overuled the ref as we had a player on the end of the wall, first time Ive ever known a 4th official make decisions on the pitch based on a manager complaining to them
That Bolton game error was appalling. Partial redress was made when we beat them to the last automatic promotion spot by beating Exeter on the final day. Not sure whether they won the play-offs either...
The aim of argument or discussion should not be victory but progress.
Off field The Bonetti Incident, and George Kerr resigningn half way through the 79-80 Championship winning season
The Rovers Keeper and Cunnington incidents, as mentioned
Funny never had an issue with Neilsen being sent off
According to the brilliant "Champions" book which I finally got my hands on during the week Kerr definitely did NOT resign half way through the 79/80 promotion season.
The aim of argument or discussion should not be victory but progress.
That Bolton game error was appalling. Partial redress was made when we beat them to the last automatic promotion spot by beating Exeter on the final day. Not sure whether they won the play-offs either...
I remember the Bolton decision as one of the worst I've ever seen although it was outside the box as far as I recall. The linesman waved for the foul the ref said play on but the linesman continued to wave as it was so utterlybblatant a foul, the ref pointer at him specifically and waved play on again. Didn't effect the outcome of the season though.
Bristol rovers non sending off was perhaps the most unjust decision
What’s going on there? Town fans in the Osmond, Hull in the Pontoon.
I was only two years old at the time so a little before my time. It looks weird.
There was a couple of seasons where they swapped the home and away ends round. I can remember watching us lose to Arsenal in the FA Cup in early '86 from The Osmond.
I think the swap lasted a couple of seasons before they reverted to the norm because of the outcry from the majority of fans.
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That Bolton game error was appalling. Partial redress was made when we beat them to the last automatic promotion spot by beating Exeter on the final day. Not sure whether they won the play-offs either...
They didn't. They got to the final but lost to Tranmere at Wembley who had finished 5th.
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Our total turnover in 2001/02 was £6.35m of which £3.83m was from television revenue. So 60% of our turnover was from ITV digital and that was lost overnight.
The following season our turnover dropped to £3.84m of which £1.13m came from television revenue.
We had the highest % of turnover coming from television revenue in 2001/02 and therefore lost the most as a percentage of turnover. Our turnover dropped 40% from the ITV digital season to the following season when Sky bought back the rights for a pittance.
We went from a club making a £1.4m profit to one that had to cut its budget by 25% and just managed to break even.
Add to that the transfer market in the FL collapsed so previously saleable assets we had like Danny Coyne and Phil Jevons suddenly became worthless as no one had any money to spend.
We are possibly going to be one of the worst affected by coronavirus too, given that our income is one of the most reliant on matchday income
According to the brilliant "Champions" book which I finally got my hands on during the week Kerr definitely did NOT resign half way through the 79/80 promotion season.
No it was the first week of February 1980, see the opening paragraphs on the Colchester United match 08.02.1980
I can think of a few (and most seem to be someone not being sent off...)
I'll start with
1903 Cheesed off with having to cross the Pennines once a season, Everton, Bury and Blackburn conspire in the infamous 'Lancashire Ring' scandal, fixing matches to ensure Town's relegation from the top flight. A Blackburn official is banned from football for life but the relegation is allowed to stand.
Danny Higinbotham only get a yellow card for the challenge on Livvo.
Dave Challinor not being sent off for ending Pringle's career.
Joyce not sending off the Brizzle keeper in the 2015 Play off final.
The Coventry goal that shouldn't have been allowed to stand think it was 2017.
Simeon Jackson not being sent off when he hospitalised Hess.
John Hartson blatantly punching the ball into the net at Selhurst Park when playing for Wimbledon and then laughing at us when we appealed for handball.
In 2002 or 2003. I remember Stuart Campbell was playing for us and Richard Smith scored from a corner (when does that ever happen)
As far as injustices go, I can see no further than Ross Joyce.
The Northampton equaliser, the late winner for Orient, Slade not turning up for his new contract signing and the no show against Cheltenham underlines the most sickening and depressing What if period for me.
Ross Joyce 100%.. Marc North missing a pen at home to Aldershot when we needed to win and ended up drawing 1-1, that sent us down 1988 another low point that.
Does anyone have a youtube link to the Bristol Rovers handball incident? I was in the stadium and remember it was clear cut, but I've never seen a video of it. Couldnt find one on youtube.
Does anyone have a youtube link to the Bristol Rovers handball incident? I was in the stadium and remember it was clear cut, but I've never seen a video of it. Couldnt find one on youtube.
Its strange because the following day or might have been same evening the highlights didn't show it at all. Its almaost as if the EFL/FA told tv companies to edit it out due to not wanting people to see the pure incompetence of the ref.
Ross Joyce was promoted to the EFL after that. Then in 16/17 he was ref away against Accrington Stanley, apparently he got so much stick from Town supporters, players and management he ask not to referee us again, and he has not.
If the football is bad you can always watch the gulls.
Does anyone have a youtube link to the Bristol Rovers handball incident? I was in the stadium and remember it was clear cut, but I've never seen a video of it. Couldnt find one on youtube.
If you can bare to watch it. The final replay reinforces just how criminal a decision it was.
I can't bear to watch it. Give us a clue timewise when it occurs please mate
It’s about four seconds in - the whole video is centred on the handball.
If we hadn’t got out of that infernal division, there’s no way I’d be able to watch it either. I don’t think I’ve ever been emotionally affected by the result of a football match quite like I was that game. It genuinely took me weeks to get over it.
Poojah - I too was totally wiped out by that result. I just thought "oh god, we need to start this whole process again next season". Usually I can get over results pretty quickly but this just festered for weeks.
However, I remember leaving the stadium and the sheer determination between the fans was incredible - you could feel that something was brewing that would carrying us through the next season.
Having said that, my bottom lip was wobbling a bit when that last Bristol penalty went in!
Hello again. Here's the links to the episode if people are interested. Didn't have time to talk about all the suggestions here but thanks very much for all the replies. And I agree that handball not being a red is a complete joke.
Feel free to weigh in with anything we missed over on our twitter @whyalwaysuspod
Also available on most other podcast platforms and Spotify. I'd be delighted to get some feedback if you want to leave a review on itunes or just post below.. I hope we managed to do Grimsby some justice and that you continue listening when we cover other clubs.
Leyton Orient got a late winner at Oxford, so the Northampton equaliser was irrelevent. We wouldn't have won promotion if we had beaten Northampton.
That boils down to one moment for me, Bank Holiday Monday at Leyton Orient. Last minute, Marc Goodfellow pretty much has an open goal and spanners it. Put's that away and we have the momentum and it might just have stunted Orient's challenge.
If we hadn't won 2 of the last 9, if Slades hadn't made a needless substitution just before Rickie Lambert scored from a corner, if the away form hadn't fallen off a cliff in the second half of the season, if you do x,y and z bob's your uncle etc etc.
Hello again. Here's the links to the episode if people are interested. Didn't have time to talk about all the suggestions here but thanks very much for all the replies. And I agree that handball not being a red is a complete joke.
Feel free to weigh in with anything we missed over on our twitter @whyalwaysuspod
Also available on most other podcast platforms and Spotify. I'd be delighted to get some feedback if you want to leave a review on itunes or just post below.. I hope we managed to do Grimsby some justice and that you continue listening when we cover other clubs.
Thanks
A good listen this. I enjoyed Lloyd Griffiths's comprehensive explanation of our major shareholder to a non-town fan.
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