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Good luck to Jolley wherever the future takes him but I'll be amazed if he got the job given the pedigree of some of the other candidates.


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Quoted from promotion plaice

Good luck to Jolley wherever the future takes him but I'll be amazed if he got the job given the pedigree of some of the other candidates.


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Dont think he will get a league managers job full stop, assistant somewhere or non league managerial at best i would expect.


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i read online somewhere that Barrows boss has taken the job so i doubt we will be seeing MJ at BP for Bolton.


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I also read that Bolton want the Barrow boss but, Barrow are supposedly asking for £250k in compensation. Well I wouldn’t have thought Bolton have got that sort of money given their recent financial history. Saying that I wish Jolley all the best, everybody needs a job of some sort to pay the bills.
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I wish him no harm but I think yet another career swap might be a good idea for Jolley. If he was highly regarded in the game as a football manager he would have had a job by now.


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That effing filled rant will follow him around.
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Quoted from arryarryarry
That effing filled rant will follow him around.


It will 'arry but plenty of managers over the years have done worse and still picked up jobs. There has to be more than just a rant stopping Jolley from getting one, don't you reckon?



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It will 'arry but plenty of managers over the years have done worse and still picked up jobs. There has to be more than just a rant stopping Jolley from getting one, don't you reckon?



I agree, but it will be a gift for the club's supporters forum
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June 25, 2020, 4:26pm

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Quoted from Gaffer58
I also read that Bolton want the Barrow boss but, Barrow are supposedly asking for £250k in compensation. Well I wouldn’t have thought Bolton have got that sort of money given their recent financial history. Saying that I wish Jolley all the best, everybody needs a job of some sort to pay the bills.


I think they want it up front as well, which I suppose is understandable.
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Some views about MJ from a Bolton forum :-

" Jolley is a clever bloke, and very Moneyball - Cambridge MA in economics, coaching badges up the wazoo. Didn't exactly scorch the heather at Grimsby but few do, and the circumstances of his exit were peculiar rather than particularly worrying."

"I've got a sneaky suspicion Michael Jolley ticks a lot of the FV-highlighted boxes; I just hope we don't find ourselves a month into the season with poor results sparking complaints about a couple of wet-eared kids (he and Phoenix) at the helm."

"Left his first job because he fell out with the board. Left his second after launching a huge expletive filled rant at the local media - not very promising for a man to come and manage Bolton Wanderers....in fact it screams problems to me in these circumstances!"

"Yeah, neither of those things worries me. He left a small Swedish club over "the direction of the club" - which usually means money. Then he had a pop at a radio reporter who in a rather weaselly move leaked it. Various quotes are here and there's plenty who'd say that shows passion; in a Fergie or Big Sam it'd be heralded as protective genius.
I'm not saying he's the answer, but those things don't worry me. The fact the rant (or "impassioned defence") came after a seven-game winless win is more worrying."

"Having read the quotes it screams 'Keith Hill' to me. Just don't want someone who becomes confrontational over criticism, perceived or otherwise. Hill was starting fights before anyone had really raised an eyebrow in his direction. Bolton is a tough place to manage - I want someone who gets it, is tough and no nonsense, but also has a touch of class about them in difficult circumstances - Parky and Rioch both displayed said characteristics."
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This all seems so long ago now.

I can't honestly see him at a league club. A spell in the conference perhaps.
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Seems a lifetime ago, doesn't it?  

If he ends up at Bolton it will show just how good of a talker he is.  I don't mean that disparagingly; he talks very well, but it won't be his managerial record that lands him another job in the EFL.  
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Wish him well wherever he ends up, on the couple of occasions I spoke to him he seemed polite and knowledgeable. It didn't end well for him here at Town but it never does, does it?
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I wish him all the best and all the luck in the world, but wonder if the best move for him would be a basket case like macclesfield  ,morecambe or scunny😜🤣 or a big, failed non league club like Wrexham stockport ,poolies, or york where he could re establish himself
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I hope they appoint him just for a laugh. Ultra negative in his approach and a bit of a male masturbator.

Not all bad as we ground some results out to stay safe but in the main the football was dreadful.
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Hope he gets the job or something else in the pro game. Only way we will find out if it was him or us.


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Quoted from GrimRob
Hope he gets the job or something else in the pro game. Only way we will find out if it was him or us.


If what was him or us?
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I want him back managing somewhere would be interested to see how he gets on


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Quoted from hheh2
I want him back managing somewhere would be interested to see how he gets on


I agree, would be interesting to see how he got on and as someone said earlier was it him or us (could ask that of a lot of our recent managers)
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Some club in chaos with no money will recruit him......again!


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Anyone can set up a team to defend with eleven behind the ball. He was a fraud and was very unpopular with the staff around the club. A bit of a male masturbator by all accounts. As long as he isn't at Town, he can do what he likes.
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Quoted from fishboyUTM
Anyone can set up a team to defend with eleven behind the ball. He was a fraud and was very unpopular with the staff around the club. A bit of a male masturbator by all accounts. As long as he isn't at Town, he can do what he likes.


I was told that by a member of the staff.
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Anyone can set up a team to defend with eleven behind the ball. He was a fraud and was very unpopular with the staff around the club. A bit of a male masturbator by all accounts. As long as he isn't at Town, he can do what he likes.



I thought that worked really well (with 10 behind the ball) at Crystal Palace so I was surprised we didn't employ similar tactics against Chelsea, we would still have got hammered but could have kept the score down to 6.
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When he was still manager I remember the club's official twitter account tweeted a happy birthday message to his wife and I was disappointed that nobody replied "Happy 16th Birthday".
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Let’s face it. At the time of his appointment who else would have taken us on? He appeared, rightly or wrongly as a very credible appointment.
As it turned out, I guess it didn’t work out for either party and we both went our separate ways.
We now have Ollie and I’m very pleased about that. And, ignoring Covid, things look good.
As for Jolley, I bear him no ill. I wish him all the best, wherever he goes.
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He was appointed after 4 points from possible 45
in the last 10 games after his appointment, we got 15 from a possible 30.
This run kept us up, with one of the worst teams we've ever had.

It didn't go great after, but he did a great job in them last 10 games
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Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God
He was appointed after 4 points from possible 45
in the last 10 games after his appointment, we got 15 from a possible 30.
This run kept us up, with one of the worst teams we've ever had.

It didn't go great after, but he did a great job in them last 10 games


Albeit with a bit of help from Mitch Rose’s penalties!
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Was never a fan, some saw him as a messiah of sorts for keeping us up, but in truth we were very very lucky, few very dodgy pens that saved us.
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Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God
He was appointed after 4 points from possible 45
in the last 10 games after his appointment, we got 15 from a possible 30.
This run kept us up, with one of the worst teams we've ever had.

It didn't go great after, but he did a great job in them last 10 games


While he was new and saying all the right things and let someone else’s  team carry on with luck and Rose’s penalties - he was OK. A few points at the right time turned him into the Messiah.

Things went downhill for him when he had actually signed a team and it was “the MJ way or on your way”.



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Luck or not, dodgy penalties or not....he kept us up.  

As pointed out above, it was with one of the worst Town teams I've ever seen as well.  We ended the season with a front three of the much maligned Cardwell down the middle, the even more maligned JJ Hooper on the left and a ridiculously out of position Harry Clifton down the right.

In that spell he managed to shore up our leaky defence with Nathan Clarke looking like a rock in comparison to the previous 7 months he was here.  He got the best out of his players in that spell, none more so than Mitch Rose.

Yeah it all went sour afterwards and we were absolutely turgid to watch for periods.  9 months ago his style of football made me not want to go to games anymore.  But when he got us playing, we were decent to watch.  After the Palace game I really felt he was building something a bit special here but, as he often did, he seemed intent on putting the leash back on when we looked ready to go.

Heard a lot that he was arrogant and a bit of helmet to staff at the club which, in any walk of life, is a very poor trait.  But ultimately he still stopped us falling back into the Conference. We've got a manager giving us the style of football now that we've craved for a long time, but without Jolley keeping us up that might not have happened at all.

For the record I think I've got about as much chance of getting the Bolton job as him, unless he's basically offering to do it for free.
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Quoted from Boris Johnson
Was never a fan, some saw him as a messiah of sorts for keeping us up, but in truth we were very very lucky, few very dodgy pens that saved us.


The one at Swindon was one of the dodgiest I've ever seen, but the ones v Chesterfield and Barnet were spot on (pun unintentional).


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He did really well to keep us up in the first season. That side was worse than the side that went down. We were awful.But he got us organised and we were effective. After that he brought in a few decent players, after a bad start we did ok the following season, but not great (Kind of a C+ season). But it was clear we had more investment before the start of this season and we should have done better.

He's bright, he clearly alienated too many people and needs to tone it down but I suspect he will do well at his next job.
And let's face it he's been better than anyone we've had since Buckley apart from Hurst, Slade mk1 and his successor.
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I think the best job for him might be somewhere like boston, stockport or york ,a biggish club with potential who are in a bit of trouble
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Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God
He was appointed after 4 points from possible 45
in the last 10 games after his appointment, we got 15 from a possible 30.
This run kept us up, with one of the worst teams we've ever had.

It didn't go great after, but he did a great job in them last 10 games


Honestly, I think the removal of Slade and his hoofball down the channels to nobody was enough almost on it's own.

I've heard Jolley was arrogant and deeply unpopular on and off the pitch, they players didn't know what he wanted them to do and he commanded no respect from the players at all due to his non footballing background, and his lack of clarity in what he wanted them to do. He was ultra negative, so at least it appears he knew how to set them up to sit on their own 18 yard line and defend for their lives. I stand by what I wrote earlier, he was a fraud. Remember the winless runs, the goalless runs? He had the players man for man marking WITH the ball! That's why we couldn't score goals and had no options.

Anyway, he's gone now and we have a proper manager in charge. Let's just hope we have some football to look forward to soon as Ian Holloway will do great things at this club.
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He was ultra defensive. At some point you have to score to win. Even when we were a goal down at home in the last few minutes he refused to leave at least one up when defending a corner. Criminal.
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Let’s face it. At the time of his appointment who else would have taken us on? He appeared, rightly or wrongly as a very credible appointment.
As it turned out, I guess it didn’t work out for either party and we both went our separate ways.
We now have Ollie and I’m very pleased about that. And, ignoring Covid, things look good.
As for Jolley, I bear him no ill. I wish him all the best, wherever he goes.


IIRC it was mooted by many posters on here that MJ would be a good appointment for the club, a fair while before he was officially linked with us.

A bit like the Mike Newell appointment really, that most fans were happy at the time but it later turned a bit sour.


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Quoted from mimma
He was ultra defensive. At some point you have to score to win. Even when we were a goal down at home in the last few minutes he refused to leave at least one up when defending a corner. Criminal.


I don't care what these FA coaching badge managers say. If you have one man up front from a corner, they must have at least two men back. Also, if you win the ball, you have a target to hit and play off to start your own attack. No man up front and any clearance is going to come straight back at you. Anyone can see that surely. Slade argued he had the stats to back up not leaving a man up front. I'd say in the 'first phase' i'e, the immediate corner he may well be correct, but what about when the ball comes straight back at you? Anyway, I digress but Slade and Jolley were both clowns.
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Honestly, I think the removal of Slade and his hoofball down the channels to nobody was enough almost on it's own.

I've heard Jolley was arrogant and deeply unpopular on and off the pitch, they players didn't know what he wanted them to do and he commanded no respect from the players at all due to his non footballing background, and his lack of clarity in what he wanted them to do. He was ultra negative, so at least it appears he knew how to set them up to sit on their own 18 yard line and defend for their lives. I stand by what I wrote earlier, he was a fraud. Remember the winless runs, the goalless runs? He had the players man for man marking WITH the ball! That's why we couldn't score goals and had no options.

Anyway, he's gone now and we have a proper manager in charge. Let's just hope we have some football to look forward to soon as Ian Holloway will do great things at this club.


Never said he was a good guy, simply stated he did a very good job for the rest of the season when he was promoted.
Something that is being brushed a side because of the sour ending maybe
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Never said he was a good guy, simply stated he did a very good job for the rest of the season when he was promoted.
Something that is being brushed a side because of the sour ending maybe


Like I say, I'm not even sure he did that. All that we needed to improve what wasn't a terrible squad was to remove Slade. Anyway, water under the bridge now. We have Ian Holloway who is a proper football manager with something about him and a proven track record. Can't wait for next season, whenever it may be as we'll be flying!
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Obviously I have no idea what he was like to players and other staff but me and a few others spent a night with him just before this season started and he was very approachable, more than happy to talk to us about specific decisions he made during specific games, and he came across as a very decent guy.
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I think his tactics suit a team at the bottom end, where survival is celebrated.

I know managers set the tactics but once they cross the white line, surely some responsibility transfers to the players also? The aim of football is to make the opposition ask questions of you so leaving 1 or 2 players up for set pieces makes them worry. You might concede more but I wonder how many more chances you create over a season from it?
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I thought he tried to get 4division players playing like a top European side and they could not take it in what they were supposed to do.

I went to Stevenage and not having seen us play for a while I was really disappointed we were worse than when he first took over.

I think he is more suited as a coach at prem club where the manager tells him what to do.


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Honestly, I think the removal of Slade and his hoofball down the channels to nobody was enough almost on it's own.

I've heard Jolley was arrogant and deeply unpopular on and off the pitch, they players didn't know what he wanted them to do and he commanded no respect from the players at all due to his non footballing background, and his lack of clarity in what he wanted them to do. He was ultra negative, so at least it appears he knew how to set them up to sit on their own 18 yard line and defend for their lives. I stand by what I wrote earlier, he was a fraud. Remember the winless runs, the goalless runs? He had the players man for man marking WITH the ball! That's why we couldn't score goals and had no options.

Anyway, he's gone now and we have a proper manager in charge. Let's just hope we have some football to look forward to soon as Ian Holloway will do great things at this club.


Well removing slade in itself made no difference we were still terrible when he first went, before jolley arrived. Have to say that jolley did make a dramatic difference when he first came. Dropped Berrett pretty soon which meant we were no longer playing with 10 effectively like we had been with Berrett in the side. Got cardwell working well defensively up front (couldn't make him a striker tho). Spotted Mitch rose ability at throw ins and penalties within a few weeks which slade hadn't done all season. Removing slade was most certainly not enough in itself. I agree with others that side was truly abysmal but he made them hard to beat.

Agree that it went downhill fast when it was his own side, very negative (man marking when WE have the ball ffs), overpaid badly on wages for the likes of green and ogbu, and massivly over emphasised the opposition  and based everything around them. No wonder we never got going. Also many sttong rumours he was v unpopular. Most importantly could not hack the pressure of expectation when it was his own team hence the bomb that exploded and he was sacked  after that rant.

Hunting around on social media after defeats to block people who made  negative comments - bizarre behaviour for a manager and I doubt if the pressure cooker of efl management is really in his best interests to be honest.

Maybe conference North or south might be better for him with less pressure. So overall started well and had promise, we owe him for keeping us up, after that mediocre to poor.
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Absolutely criminal that it took 41 games for Mitch Rose to take a throw in. It wasn't a hidden talent either as he used to take them at some of his previous clubs.
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Absolutely criminal that it took 41 games for Mitch Rose to take a throw in. It wasn't a hidden talent either as he used to take them at some of his previous clubs.


Mitch Rose will never be remembered as one of the Town greats, but fast forward the following video to 1:20, watch the next 25 seconds and tell me he didn’t play a huge role in our history.

[youtube]WIB_QE9fewg[/youtube]


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Nice bloke I’m told by people within the club but for all of his qualifications he didn’t offer anything different to all the journeymen managers weve employed over the years.
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Mitch Rose will never be remembered as one of the Town greats, but fast forward the following video to 1:20, watch the next 25 seconds and tell me he didn’t play a huge role in our history.

[youtube]WIB_QE9fewg[/youtube]


Since he left I've often felt we lack someone like him in the middle, a bit of an 'orrible illegitimate.  Technically very average, but every team needs someone who will do the dirty work.  Whatever you say about Rose as a player, he had balls of steel too.
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Absolutely criminal that it took 41 games for Mitch Rose to take a throw in. It wasn't a hidden talent either as he used to take them at some of his previous clubs.


The previous manager was a bald Rinus Michels, he was hardly likely to go for such a route one approach.


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I think the best job for him might be somewhere like boston, stockport or york ,a biggish club with potential who are in a bit of trouble


Boston were flying; they deserve the play offs. Great run club with a great stadium - why jeopardise that with such an appointment.

Maybe a drop to a bottom clinger in national league premier who have no real alternaive ?
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Since he left I've often felt we lack someone like him in the middle, a bit of an 'orrible illegitimate.  Technically very average, but every team needs someone who will do the dirty work.  Whatever you say about Rose as a player, he had balls of steel too.


I’d argue that Hess has been better in the defensive midfield roll than Rose ever was!
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I’d argue that Hess has been better in the defensive midfield roll than Rose ever was!


He was, but there was none of this wonderful kind of shithousery

https://twitter.com/officialgtfc/status/1067549177616445440?s=19


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Since he left I've often felt we lack someone like him in the middle, a bit of an 'orrible illegitimate.  Technically very average, but every team needs someone who will do the dirty work.  Whatever you say about Rose as a player, he had balls of steel too.


I thought his biggest assets were his throw ins and penalties. As a midfielder I thought he spent too much time passing backwards.
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I've seen him a few times for Notts County since he left and he still seems to have a clanger in him every game from messing about in areas where he really should know better.

Decent footballer but his concentration lets him down. That said, Hanson would have a field day from his throw ins. When a team has a player that effective from a throw in, defenders hesitate when clearing the ball.
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Rose, a little said about him the better in my opinion. Balls of steal or just doing his job? Didn’t rate the guy at all but each to their own I guess.

As for Jolley, he kept up arguably the worst town side we’ve seen, including those fuckwits that took us down. For that he deserves praise and recognition, but that’s where it ends for me I’m afraid.

It’s become apparent since he left that his arrogance and attitude was a problem, I believe he had much higher opinions of himself than he should have and at times the football was as woeful as under Slade/Woods.

Will get another job? Who knows, probably but I’d imagine Bolton have higher expectations that a no mark like Jolley.


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Whenever I watched Rose I always felt that there was a player in there but we only saw flashes of it, the rest of the time he was average at best.

I'm always frustrated by players like that, I instinctively want them to come good and play for us for years.


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Rose was an alright player in bang average if not poor teams under both Town managers he played for.

Seems to have done well at Notts County arguably he may have found his level.


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At the start of his last season, I thought he was one of our best players and looked really good until he got injured, then he came back making the calamitous mistakes he was prone to and never picked up form again. Probably not helped by the decision to have the entire midfield sit deep for 90 minutes
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I thought he had good technique, but not quite as good as he thought he had and poor concentration, hence the giving the ball away in a dangerous area clangers he would drop every game. As someone else mentioned absolute balls of steel for penalties though, best pen taker I've seen for town. When he put the ball on the spot you knew it was in every time, which was a nice change!
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