GTFC Crowdfunding

Quoted from moosey_club

Unfortunately i wont be contributing to this one......wouldn't want to have it thrown back in my face sometime in the future by the board.

Quoted from TuckerJenkins

I'd be happy to chip in if it was officially endorsed

Quoted from GrimExile

God I would never ever suggest at any time, never mind this current crisis, that anyone should donate. However I find your reasons for not doing so, because the board would throw it back in your face, quite amazing and if you genuinely think that very sad. Sorry. #UTM

Quoted from aldi_01

It’s a firm no...

Quoted from geir

Why wouldn`t anyone who is able to donate a few pounds be willing to help?
The club is in a good place regarding the manager and we saw a lot of improvement in the way we played before Covid-19 shut us down. Now we have a chance to help the club towards a proud future by donating what we can afford, and by that assure that we all have the best possible club in every way when things get started again.
I believe in the cause and I really hope we can unite and back this campaign.

For the love of Grimsby Town Football Club!

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

I don’t care what’s been thrown in my face previously! That’s a bit too precious for me . Gtfc will be here long after I’ve gone and also the man you’re on about moosey !!

Quoted from TuckerJenkins

I'd be happy to chip in if it was officially endorsed

Quoted from aldi_01

Of course the club will endorse free money...they did last time...

Quoted from LH

I’m going to buy shares instead - probably around what a season ticket would cost. I can’t see the next season being one we’ll be able to attend as spectators.

Quoted from GrimExile

God I would never ever suggest at any time, never mind this current crisis, that anyone should donate. However I find your reasons for not doing so, because the board would throw it back in your face, quite amazing and if you genuinely think that very sad. Sorry. #UTM

Quoted from moosey_club

As i am sure you are fully aware..... the view of the board following O.P....... "the worst thing that has happened to this club" or words very similar/ close to that effect.

So they arent getting another freebie donation off me until every last one of them has gone. I will pay for products, tickets, programmes, merchandise etc but the complete lack of respect and gratitude last time we did something just short of miraculous for the club won't be forgotten by me.

Quoted from GrimExile

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.

Quoted from aldi_01

I mean he’s not, but each to their own. Whether it bought Bogle or not, the club, the Lord Almighty himself poo pooed the money raised through OP and refused to acknowledge it was fan organised, off the cuff campaign that led to us purchasing a player who was part of a side that got us promotion. The club’s contempt for OP was there for all to see...

Quoted from GrimExile

Then why was John Fenty at the OP party at McMenemy’s thanking everyone then?

Quoted from realist

The happy clappers have resurfaced with Grimexile as their spokesman. Give yourself a good slapping and do some research into what was said at the time. Can’t believe anyone would contemplate doing this.

Quoted from GrimExile

I am just staggered that people will blame the board for everything. We have a club that Ian Holloway says is the best run club he has ever been involved with and if it’s good enough for him then it’s good enough for me. Yes question board decisions, but there are many people who are so anti the board and John Fenty in particular that they won’t admit that actually at our level we are very well run.

Quoted from thefish

So... are we buying Bogle again then?

Quoted from GrimExile

We have a club that Ian Holloway says is the best run club he has ever been involved with

Quoted from aldi_01

I mean he’s not, but each to their own. Whether it bought Bogle or not, the club, the Lord Almighty himself poo pooed the money raised through OP and refused to acknowledge it was fan organised, off the cuff campaign that led to us purchasing a player who was part of a side that got us promotion. The club’s contempt for OP was there for all to see...

Quoted from Kris2

I really think with crowdfunding you should be more clear on what the money will be used for and why. There are so many vague crowdfunders that vanish into a black hole and you never really know what good it did. At least in the past the idea of buying players and helping the team get promoted was there so you had some idea why you were donating.

This just feels like donate money and never see anything for it. It's about the same as those scam charity collectors on the streets of various countries in Europe that tourists freely hand over cash to with no idea what for .

For all we know this will do little more than pay the shareholders, of which the fans used to be until the few were talked into selling those shares to the majority shareholder and made a decision for the many without a vote.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I've said for years that for all that for all of Fenty's criticisms he has ran a tight ship, we don't haemorrhage money and right now their pragmatic approach is ensuring we ride this storm. Day was only saying on Friday night that we don't anticipate kicking a ball in anger until October!

Quoted from Kris2

I really think with crowdfunding you should be more clear on what the money will be used for and why. There are so many vague crowdfunders that vanish into a black hole and you never really know what good it did. At least in the past the idea of buying players and helping the team get promoted was there so you had some idea why you were donating.

This just feels like donate money and never see anything for it. It's about the same as those scam charity collectors on the streets of various countries in Europe that tourists freely hand over cash to with no idea what for .

For all we know this will do little more than pay the shareholders, of which the fans used to be until the few were talked into selling those shares to the majority shareholder and made a decision for the many without a vote.

Quoted from marinerjase

My own personal opinion is whilst I wholeheartedly admire and concur with the reasoning as to why this has been put in place - there’s some elements that I need more clarification on before contributing.  Everyone knows the Town support will help the club, renowned for it - but I feel there is a reluctance/apprehension/scepticism..whatever for some due to the last episode, which although the club did support - the hard work and appreciation of the few behind it was taken back by alleged comments by board members after. I’d like to see Bax’s thoughts in this in particular.

Of course that was then - this is now. Different reasons and urgency (I guess) as to the need and desire. Maybe the approach from those at the top has changed, their perspective and view/appreciation of the support now more understood because of current climate. Let’s hope so.

Quoted from Ipswin

Well in that case there's no need to pass the hat round then is there? After all if Saint Ian says it then it must be true

Quoted from GrimRob

It's natural that people want to help out in some way, you have seen that all around the country with people helping one another. I don't see any other way of helping the club through this time so am happy to contribute.

If your favourite restaurant closes you can always find a similar one. Even if your church closed you could go to another one, but it doesn't work like that with football.

Nobody is asking for huge sums and it's completely voluntary. Just put in what you wouldnt miss. If you don't want to that's fine too.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

I take it the club are not raising this money but purely a fan of Gtfc,do we know much about this guy

Quoted from Gaffer58

When you give to a charity of your choice I’m sure people do not expect it to be spent on one particular project, it goes into one pot and is used by the charity as they see fit.

Quoted from GrimExile

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.

Quoted from GrimExile

Then why was John Fenty at the OP party at McMenemy’s thanking everyone then?

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Quoted from GrimExile

And with that money we bought Bogle who’s 2 goals got us back in the football league. Sorry you’re talking rubbish.


Did we or did we not purchase Omar from op.Can somebody plz enlighten me plz.
Is it really worth putting money into the fundraiser ?
Is any of the board putting money into the fundraiser ?

All the best for the guy who’s started the fundraiser,personally I would prefer the mariners trust to run the crowdfunder BUT this guy got there first

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I would find it hard to donate with the present regime. If the club folds and if people want to resurrect it, it will be reborn.

I thought the whole arm-twisting situation when the Trust gave him those shares was wrong. I was happy to chip in with Op Promotion in the interest of letting bygones be bygones, trying to be positive about the future and look at what happened.

You make the decisions John. It’s your toy.

Quoted from aldi_01

They’ll be banishing you next for being negative and a doom merchant...ignoring that what you say is an opinion you’re entitled too, or often a fact...we all have to be happy clappers.

Interesting that yesterday I spoke with several town fans, some in a position of financial difficulty to some extent, a couple furloughed and some who’s economic situation hasn’t changed...(not) surprisingly, the ones who had donated were the ones who were currently in a economic/financial pressure state. Caught me by surprise to some extent.

What’s the phrase? Love is blind?

It’s just very odd that if someone criticised, raises questions or has a different view they’re a doom merchant. I was there that night Marley asked people ‘do you know who I am?’...when fans were told to shut up and the wheels literally came on and it was hard to watch. Far harder than seeing us lose 8-1 at Barnet or even Burton if I’m honest...many a fan lost their faith in the club, the board and things associated with them.

Few football fans stop going to watch their team, but many adapt different approaches. Some stop going to away games, others buy less in the club shop, some don’t really engage other than turning up at 14:58 on a Saturday and then leave...others continued as ever.

Nobody denies we love GTFC but sometimes it’s hard to like them.

Quoted from moosey_club

No.  It was stated at the fans forum Nov 2017, by the top table (Mr Marley i think)  that Omar had already been scouted and identified & budgeted for when the season budget was set and the O.P monies therefore werent needed for that and went elsewhere in the running costs.

Quoted from pen penfras

Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity
towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context

Quoted from TheCodfather1966

I sincerely hope the money raised does not all go to paying wages etc, there must be a lot of things on the list of equal importance.

UTM

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Yes, a new Jacuzzi and steam room at Castle Fenty

And drawing up plans for another new ground that'll never happen. They don't come cheap!

Quoted from Bigdog

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Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context[/quote]

The comments weren't taken out of context in the slightest. At the Fan's Forum a fan said the OP money had bought Boigle. Stephen Marley said that the money didn't buy Bogle as the club had bought him before they'd received the OP funds. On SM's part he may have been factually correct but his declaration was very mean spirited towards the huge effort and commitment by the fans to raise the money and a really poor piece of PR. The fans didn't buy Bogle because of the timing of funds coming in was a technicality and nothing more. Our fans have a history of getting together to provide funds for the club like Bonetti, Waters etc and it would have been amazing if the fans were told they'd bought Omar and built a stronger bond at the club, but sadly it didn't happen and it will be a reason why there isn't quite the groundswell of support for the current crowdfunding efforts. SM needlessly left bad sentiments and if he was more adept at PR, he'd have said of course OP bought Omar. A little white lie technically, but a win win all round..

Quoted from pen penfras

Does it really matter whether the money bought Omar, paid for Tomlinson to come in on loan or went towards paying the gas bill? It was a great scheme run by the fans, got national attention and ultimately we got promoted.

The problem came that because it was called "Operation Promotion" and fans had put their hands in their pocket to boost the budget, it created an expectancy that we would easily get promoted. After a promising start, we seemed to progressively worse over the season and a lot of hatred and negativity towards the club was fueled. I don't know what exact statements were made that are referred to, I've only seen what people write on here, but I'm sure they're not only comments made with regret, but also taken, at least partially, out of context

Quoted from pen penfras

I agree that it wasn't good PR to say that even if it's technically true. But that's not one of the statements I'm talking about. People are saying that directors said OP was the worst thing that ever happened to the cluband weren't on board with it, but the people actually involved with it said differently.

Quoted from aldi_01

As I’ve said, that ill fated night was a disaster and I genuinely don’t believe internally the club saw it that way. If they had they’d have taken it off YouTube and probably terminated the evening.

That night, aside from the odd person, the vast majority in that room lost a little bit of something they feel for the club. You could see it.

The sheer arrogance from the gentleman’s club was there for all to see. From Day telling us Extreme leisure would be building a new huge development and we’re the right people, to making some bold claim that an American wanted to buy us to Marley essentially mocking a fan because said Dan, who had been going to BP considerably longer than Marley, didn’t know who he was. Forgive me but of all the things to know about your club, unimportant board members aren’t usually one of them.

Then the comments about OP, then the open bullying of a bloke who did his job, then the mammary for tat arguing that followed...and the aftermath saw the club fall apart on the field too.

And again, I’d ask the question, who the intercourse is Marley, what does he bring to the table? What impact has he had in moving the club forward? What is his role? What’s his value to the club?

So yeh, whether the club meant to say OP wasn’t great, didn’t help, was the worst thing that happened and so on, it’s easy to see why people are reluctant to get behind crowd funders and the like.

You don’t dwell on the past but as mentioned, I won’t, and plenty others won’t be donating. I’ll buy my ST again and grab a shirt and possibly some other random excrement but that’s all.

Quoted from bax

I’ve tried to avoid commenting on this but just as a statement of fact, a director said this to me in the board room at BP and I was very much involved in OP. I don’t want history to be rewritten.

EDIT - just to add, arguing over what happened in the past is pretty much pointless and it doesn’t help the situation the club finds itself in. I won’t be donating to any crowdfunder or anything similar but I’ll be buying a new shirt and contributing in a more appropriate way and I do hope the club manages to get out of this in a positive manner.

Quoted from aldi_01

As I’ve said, that ill fated night was a disaster and I genuinely don’t believe internally the club saw it that way. If they had they’d have taken it off YouTube and probably terminated the evening.

That night, aside from the odd person, the vast majority in that room lost a little bit of something they feel for the club. You could see it.

The sheer arrogance from the gentleman’s club was there for all to see. From Day telling us Extreme leisure would be building a new huge development and we’re the right people, to making some bold claim that an American wanted to buy us to Marley essentially mocking a fan because said Dan, who had been going to BP considerably longer than Marley, didn’t know who he was. Forgive me but of all the things to know about your club, unimportant board members aren’t usually one of them.

Then the comments about OP, then the open bullying of a bloke who did his job, then the mammary for tat arguing that followed...and the aftermath saw the club fall apart on the field too.

And again, I’d ask the question, who the intercourse is Marley, what does he bring to the table? What impact has he had in moving the club forward? What is his role? What’s his value to the club?

So yeh, whether the club meant to say OP wasn’t great, didn’t help, was the worst thing that happened and so on, it’s easy to see why people are reluctant to get behind crowd funders and the like.

You don’t dwell on the past but as mentioned, I won’t, and plenty others won’t be donating. I’ll buy my ST again and grab a shirt and possibly some other random excrement but that’s all.

Quoted from aldi_01

As I’ve said, that ill fated night was a disaster and I genuinely don’t believe internally the club saw it that way. If they had they’d have taken it off YouTube and probably terminated the evening.

That night, aside from the odd person, the vast majority in that room lost a little bit of something they feel for the club. You could see it.

The sheer arrogance from the gentleman’s club was there for all to see. From Day telling us Extreme leisure would be building a new huge development and we’re the right people, to making some bold claim that an American wanted to buy us to Marley essentially mocking a fan because said Dan, who had been going to BP considerably longer than Marley, didn’t know who he was. Forgive me but of all the things to know about your club, unimportant board members aren’t usually one of them.

Then the comments about OP, then the open bullying of a bloke who did his job, then the mammary for tat arguing that followed...and the aftermath saw the club fall apart on the field too.

And again, I’d ask the question, who the intercourse is Marley, what does he bring to the table? What impact has he had in moving the club forward? What is his role? What’s his value to the club?

So yeh, whether the club meant to say OP wasn’t great, didn’t help, was the worst thing that happened and so on, it’s easy to see why people are reluctant to get behind crowd funders and the like.

You don’t dwell on the past but as mentioned, I won’t, and plenty others won’t be donating. I’ll buy my ST again and grab a shirt and possibly some other random excrement but that’s all.

Quoted from toontown

Well marley saves us an accountants bill each year I suppose is the main only thing he offers, presumably.

Quoted from mimma

Why can't people on here let it go FFS.

If I want to donate then I will do, if you don't want to then don't. I am not going to let other people's opinions get in the way of what I see is fit and proper thing to do.

Why bring all this nonsense into it? It's become another board / Fenty bashing exercise like every other thread on here.

Quoted from mimma

Why can't people on here let it go FFS.

If I want to donate then I will do, if you don't want to then don't. I am not going to let other people's opinions get in the way of what I see is fit and proper thing to do.

Why bring all this nonsense into it? It's become another board / Fenty bashing exercise like every other thread on here.

Quoted from mimma

Why can't people on here let it go FFS.

If I want to donate then I will do, if you don't want to then don't. I am not going to let other people's opinions get in the way of what I see is fit and proper thing to do.

Why bring all this nonsense into it? It's become another board / Fenty bashing exercise like every other thread on here.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I can understand your view points but to suggest people are posting nonsense is cobblers, it is in the public domain what the board said about a previous donation so stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Trust said that people put money into op to buy Omar Bogle
Shut up says we didn’t

So one of them our lying,I believe in Shutups statement ,if this is correct where’s the op money gone if we didn’t pay for Omar and who did.Wheres the money gone then.Ive bought one 100 share this time but it still haunts us OPERATION PROMOTION.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Trust said that people put money into op to buy Omar Bogle
Shut up says we didn’t

So one of them our lying,I believe in Shutups statement ,if this is correct where’s the op money gone if we didn’t pay for Omar and who did.Wheres the money gone then.Ive bought one 100 share this time but it still haunts us OPERATION PROMOTION.