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Bigdog
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How England’s top four divisions look based on all-time average attendance since 1889 has been revealed... A decent barometer of historical club size? A decent guideline to show how teams are currently under or overperforming in the present day? Do home attendances (budget) equal success, trophies and league position over a long period of time as only seven clubs in the top two divisions for attendance are currently playing in the third or fourth tiers?

Teams ranked by all-time average attendance below…


PREMIER LEAGUE

Manchester United – 40,360
Liverpool – 34,763
Arsenal – 34,701
Tottenham – 34,101
Newcastle – 32,757
Chelsea – 32,473
Everton – 31,738
Man City – 30,394
Aston Villa – 28,594
Sunderland – 25,811
West Ham – 25,786
Leeds – 25,768
Sheffield Wednesday – 21,402
Wolves – 20,731
Birmingham – 20,094
Middlesbrough – 19,780
Leicester – 19,486
West Brom – 19,430
Sheffield United – 19,150
Derby County – 18,410

CHAMPIONSHIP

Nottingham Forest – 18,311
Southampton – 18,271
Norwich – 17,886
Ipswich – 17,878
Coventry – 17,222
Bolton – 17,110
Stoke – 17,029
Portsmouth – 16,985
Crystal Palace – 16,215
Blackburn – 16,094
Fulham – 16,065
Charlton – 15,377
Cardiff – 15,374
Burnley – 14,295
Huddersfield – 13,465
Bristol City – 13,440
QPR – 13,396
Preston – 13,347
Brighton – 12,191
Millwall – 12,191
Plymouth – 12,103
Hull – 11,972
Watford – 11,385
Blackpool – 10,941


LEAGUE ONE

Swansea – 10,854
Bradford – 10,590
Reading – 10,550
Luton – 10,514
Bristol Rovers – 9,693
Brentford – 9,470
Barnsley – 9,254
Swindon – 9,213
Oldham – 8,871
MK Dons – 8,218
Wigan – 8,157
Leyton Orient – 8,155
Grimsby – 7,742
Rotherham – 7,412
Bury – 7,319
Bournemouth – 7,278
Oxford – 7,249
Port Vale – 7,195
Doncaster – 7,168
AFC Wimbledon – 6,936
Southend – 6,849
Northampton – 6,667
Tranmere – 6,434
Carlisle – 6,408

LEAGUE TWO

Gillingham – 6,341
Peterborough – 6,240
Walsall – 6,110
Lincoln – 5,899
Mansfield – 5,532
Newport – 5,382
Shrewsbury – 5,337
Exeter – 5,239
Wycombe – 4,984
Scunthorpe – 4,923
Colchester – 4,615
Crewe – 4,576
Accrington – 4,189
Cambridge – 4,154
Rochdale – 3,716
Cheltenham – 3,611
Burton – 3,510
Fleetwood – 3,154
Salford – 3,102
Stevenage – 3,039
Crawley – 2,789
Forest Green – 2,736
Macclesfield – 2,294
Morecambe – 2,059
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Genuine question, I'm easily confused  

How are each clubs league they are in worked out ?


When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
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May 13, 2020, 11:29am

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Quoted from promotion plaice

Genuine question, I'm easily confused  

How are each clubs league they are in worked out ?


It's just the 'top 20 largest average' making up the prem and then the next 24 making up the championship etc!
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It's just the 'top 20 largest average' making up the prem and then the next 24 making up the championship etc!

Cheers...what a numpty, I can see it now  

I need to start going to bed earlier than 2 in the morning  


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I remember looking at this table years ago and we sat something like 24th in the all time rankings.

Nearly two decades in league 2 and non league have taken their toll which is a shame, but hopefully we can look forward to a better future once we restart.

Mind you thinking about it, the table I saw could have been based on average league positions, not attendances.
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Interesting
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I assume Salford's all time average attendance is this season (ie the whole thing is PL/FL only?)

Obviously then, there would be a number of other clubs with higher averages not on this list.


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Does time spent in the conference count, or is it just football league attendances?
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Quoted from mimma
Does time spent in the conference count, or is it just football league attendances?


As son of cod said, it’s just football league otherwise Salford would be bottom
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I am interested in seeing the data behind this.
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I’m quite shocked at where we are in that list compared to Scunny and Lincoln, the way some of their supporters go on I thought they were massive clubs!!
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Pretty much exactly where I’d say GTFC were as a club


Lower F5
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Just posted this on 100%Imps forum, along with the comment, "maybe you are not as big as you think you are". LOL

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MK Dons in the list makes it pointless. If it's since 1889 they would have had zero attendance for over 100 years. Needs weighting.
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MK Dons in the list makes it pointless. If it's since 1889 they would have had zero attendance for over 100 years. Needs weighting.


If you did that, where would you draw the line? A lot of clubs have been elected in recent years. Scunny only entered in 1950.

As a matter of interest, does the Accrington Stanley and Wimbledon averages include their early years, or just the years since they were reformed?
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Someone obviously ran out of things to watch on pornhub


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Someone obviously ran out of things to watch on pornhub


Is that even possible? I thought you stopped watching because you were too sore to continue....


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We would have a higher long-term average without the adverse impact of:

WW2/Hitler, ITV Digital collapse, fall into Non-League,  bad management, having an old decrepit ground, insufficient number and toilets that are too small, geographically based in the wilderness, having a catchment area blocked by the North Sea and the Humber, and last but not least -  freezing your gonads off in a bitter North Sea wind.  (Even the sun only shines on the away fans in the Osmond).

I suppose that we can’t have everything! 😆😉


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You forgot the days in the old Second Division in the 1980s, when we would regularly finish in the top half and yet still attract crowds of less than 5,000. Nothing is ever as black and white as it seems.


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It’s got to be an average of only each club’s time in the League/PL otherwise FGR would be under 1000.


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You forgot the days in the old Second Division in the 1980s, when we would regularly finish in the top half and yet still attract crowds of less than 5,000. Nothing is ever as black and white as it seems.


I know it is different times but these are the facts, it makes looking at anything over a 10,000 capacity new stadium seem very hopeful indeed, pretending we are bigger than we are or building a stadium to fit a couple of games a season will not help anyone, we are better off building a smaller stadium with better facilities. We are football town but unfortunately also a low wage area, spare money for football is a luxury for many. This is unlikely to change for a while when you look at the coming recession.
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PS AFC Wimbledon have obviously been credited with Wimbledon FC’s attendances because the capacity at Kingsmeadow has never been above above 5500 in their FL time there. Seems fair enough though. 😊


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I know it is different times but these are the facts, it makes looking at anything over a 10,000 capacity new stadium seem very hopeful indeed, pretending we are bigger than we are or building a stadium to fit a couple of games a season will not help anyone, we are better off building a smaller stadium with better facilities. We are football town but unfortunately also a low wage area, spare money for football is a luxury for many. This is unlikely to change for a while when you look at the coming recession.


I don’t think it’s anything to do with lack of money in the area, just most people cannot be bothered or just aren’t interested enough to go. If Ollie can continue with exciting football, people will come back, especially if we can get a quality stadium. Although I doubt we will ever get one unfortunately.
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I know it is different times but these are the facts, it makes looking at anything over a 10,000 capacity new stadium seem very hopeful indeed, pretending we are bigger than we are or building a stadium to fit a couple of games a season will not help anyone, we are better off building a smaller stadium with better facilities. We are football town but unfortunately also a low wage area, spare money for football is a luxury for many. This is unlikely to change for a while when you look at the coming recession.


Totally agree. In the championship we got barely any more than our league 2 gates. We don't need any more than 10000 capacity, maybe with possibility of extending to 12000 in the future. Anything bigger would detract hugely from atmosphere and be counter productive, as well as being an unnecessary millstone in terms of cost to build and maintain. Anyway unlikely to be a problem now, any chance of a new stadium has gone I'd have thought.

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Got to disagree about 80's Town crowds . Football attendances were at an all time low in the 80's across all clubs. Premiership games average was lower than 20 ,000 and League 2 around 2,500. I'm not saying build a monstrosity like Darlo but you need to be able to profit from 4000 away fans revenue if we were to go up to League1 and ever the championship again. 14000 if done in the style of Rotherhams New York would give that.Plus if on the docks, the larger home end could be positioned to look out over the marina and whatever else gets built in the future.
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I can never understand all this. 5,000 in the old championship days but we can take 4,000 to an away game in the fourth tier. How does that work???

For what it's worth, 14,000 capacity with say 3,000 away capacity leaves us with 11,000 home fans,which seems about right to me. Assuming we can get promoted then the away end could be well populated when playing bigger teams, and filled if we play the likes of Lincoln Doncaster Barnsley etc. If we play teams with a lower following and we need extra capacity for us, open up more of the away end. Remember, Bournemouth only looked at what were getting when the redeveloped their ground, look how that turned out.

We are in a unique position in that we do not have any big clubs nearby, to watch top flight games we have to travel. There isn't any other sporting things to watch other than Town. If the facilities are right it is my belief that we could get bigger attendances when playing well.
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