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How England’s top four divisions look based on all-time average attendance since 1889 has been revealed... A decent barometer of historical club size? A decent guideline to show how teams are currently under or overperforming in the present day? Do home attendances (budget) equal success, trophies and league position over a long period of time as only seven clubs in the top two divisions for attendance are currently playing in the third or fourth tiers?
Teams ranked by all-time average attendance below…
PREMIER LEAGUE
Manchester United – 40,360 Liverpool – 34,763 Arsenal – 34,701 Tottenham – 34,101 Newcastle – 32,757 Chelsea – 32,473 Everton – 31,738 Man City – 30,394 Aston Villa – 28,594 Sunderland – 25,811 West Ham – 25,786 Leeds – 25,768 Sheffield Wednesday – 21,402 Wolves – 20,731 Birmingham – 20,094 Middlesbrough – 19,780 Leicester – 19,486 West Brom – 19,430 Sheffield United – 19,150 Derby County – 18,410
CHAMPIONSHIP
Nottingham Forest – 18,311 Southampton – 18,271 Norwich – 17,886 Ipswich – 17,878 Coventry – 17,222 Bolton – 17,110 Stoke – 17,029 Portsmouth – 16,985 Crystal Palace – 16,215 Blackburn – 16,094 Fulham – 16,065 Charlton – 15,377 Cardiff – 15,374 Burnley – 14,295 Huddersfield – 13,465 Bristol City – 13,440 QPR – 13,396 Preston – 13,347 Brighton – 12,191 Millwall – 12,191 Plymouth – 12,103 Hull – 11,972 Watford – 11,385 Blackpool – 10,941
LEAGUE ONE
Swansea – 10,854 Bradford – 10,590 Reading – 10,550 Luton – 10,514 Bristol Rovers – 9,693 Brentford – 9,470 Barnsley – 9,254 Swindon – 9,213 Oldham – 8,871 MK Dons – 8,218 Wigan – 8,157 Leyton Orient – 8,155 Grimsby – 7,742 Rotherham – 7,412 Bury – 7,319 Bournemouth – 7,278 Oxford – 7,249 Port Vale – 7,195 Doncaster – 7,168 AFC Wimbledon – 6,936 Southend – 6,849 Northampton – 6,667 Tranmere – 6,434 Carlisle – 6,408
LEAGUE TWO
Gillingham – 6,341 Peterborough – 6,240 Walsall – 6,110 Lincoln – 5,899 Mansfield – 5,532 Newport – 5,382 Shrewsbury – 5,337 Exeter – 5,239 Wycombe – 4,984 Scunthorpe – 4,923 Colchester – 4,615 Crewe – 4,576 Accrington – 4,189 Cambridge – 4,154 Rochdale – 3,716 Cheltenham – 3,611 Burton – 3,510 Fleetwood – 3,154 Salford – 3,102 Stevenage – 3,039 Crawley – 2,789 Forest Green – 2,736 Macclesfield – 2,294 Morecambe – 2,059
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Genuine question, I'm easily confused How are each clubs league they are in worked out ?
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Genuine question, I'm easily confused How are each clubs league they are in worked out ?
It's just the 'top 20 largest average' making up the prem and then the next 24 making up the championship etc!
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It's just the 'top 20 largest average' making up the prem and then the next 24 making up the championship etc!
Cheers...what a numpty, I can see it now I need to start going to bed earlier than 2 in the morning
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I remember looking at this table years ago and we sat something like 24th in the all time rankings.
Nearly two decades in league 2 and non league have taken their toll which is a shame, but hopefully we can look forward to a better future once we restart.
Mind you thinking about it, the table I saw could have been based on average league positions, not attendances.
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I assume Salford's all time average attendance is this season (ie the whole thing is PL/FL only?)
Obviously then, there would be a number of other clubs with higher averages not on this list.
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Does time spent in the conference count, or is it just football league attendances?
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Does time spent in the conference count, or is it just football league attendances?
As son of cod said, it’s just football league otherwise Salford would be bottom
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I am interested in seeing the data behind this.
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I’m quite shocked at where we are in that list compared to Scunny and Lincoln, the way some of their supporters go on I thought they were massive clubs!!
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Pretty much exactly where I’d say GTFC were as a club
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Just posted this on 100%Imps forum, along with the comment, "maybe you are not as big as you think you are". LOL
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MK Dons in the list makes it pointless. If it's since 1889 they would have had zero attendance for over 100 years. Needs weighting.
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MK Dons in the list makes it pointless. If it's since 1889 they would have had zero attendance for over 100 years. Needs weighting.
If you did that, where would you draw the line? A lot of clubs have been elected in recent years. Scunny only entered in 1950. As a matter of interest, does the Accrington Stanley and Wimbledon averages include their early years, or just the years since they were reformed?
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Someone obviously ran out of things to watch on pornhub
Is that even possible? I thought you stopped watching because you were too sore to continue....
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We would have a higher long-term average without the adverse impact of:
WW2/Hitler, ITV Digital collapse, fall into Non-League, bad management, having an old decrepit ground, insufficient number and toilets that are too small, geographically based in the wilderness, having a catchment area blocked by the North Sea and the Humber, and last but not least - freezing your gonads off in a bitter North Sea wind. (Even the sun only shines on the away fans in the Osmond).
I suppose that we can’t have everything! 😆😉
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You forgot the days in the old Second Division in the 1980s, when we would regularly finish in the top half and yet still attract crowds of less than 5,000. Nothing is ever as black and white as it seems.
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It’s got to be an average of only each club’s time in the League/PL otherwise FGR would be under 1000.
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You forgot the days in the old Second Division in the 1980s, when we would regularly finish in the top half and yet still attract crowds of less than 5,000. Nothing is ever as black and white as it seems.
I know it is different times but these are the facts, it makes looking at anything over a 10,000 capacity new stadium seem very hopeful indeed, pretending we are bigger than we are or building a stadium to fit a couple of games a season will not help anyone, we are better off building a smaller stadium with better facilities. We are football town but unfortunately also a low wage area, spare money for football is a luxury for many. This is unlikely to change for a while when you look at the coming recession.
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PS AFC Wimbledon have obviously been credited with Wimbledon FC’s attendances because the capacity at Kingsmeadow has never been above above 5500 in their FL time there. Seems fair enough though. 😊
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I know it is different times but these are the facts, it makes looking at anything over a 10,000 capacity new stadium seem very hopeful indeed, pretending we are bigger than we are or building a stadium to fit a couple of games a season will not help anyone, we are better off building a smaller stadium with better facilities. We are football town but unfortunately also a low wage area, spare money for football is a luxury for many. This is unlikely to change for a while when you look at the coming recession.
I don’t think it’s anything to do with lack of money in the area, just most people cannot be bothered or just aren’t interested enough to go. If Ollie can continue with exciting football, people will come back, especially if we can get a quality stadium. Although I doubt we will ever get one unfortunately.
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I know it is different times but these are the facts, it makes looking at anything over a 10,000 capacity new stadium seem very hopeful indeed, pretending we are bigger than we are or building a stadium to fit a couple of games a season will not help anyone, we are better off building a smaller stadium with better facilities. We are football town but unfortunately also a low wage area, spare money for football is a luxury for many. This is unlikely to change for a while when you look at the coming recession.
Totally agree. In the championship we got barely any more than our league 2 gates. We don't need any more than 10000 capacity, maybe with possibility of extending to 12000 in the future. Anything bigger would detract hugely from atmosphere and be counter productive, as well as being an unnecessary millstone in terms of cost to build and maintain. Anyway unlikely to be a problem now, any chance of a new stadium has gone I'd have thought.
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Got to disagree about 80's Town crowds . Football attendances were at an all time low in the 80's across all clubs. Premiership games average was lower than 20 ,000 and League 2 around 2,500. I'm not saying build a monstrosity like Darlo but you need to be able to profit from 4000 away fans revenue if we were to go up to League1 and ever the championship again. 14000 if done in the style of Rotherhams New York would give that.Plus if on the docks, the larger home end could be positioned to look out over the marina and whatever else gets built in the future.
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I can never understand all this. 5,000 in the old championship days but we can take 4,000 to an away game in the fourth tier. How does that work???
For what it's worth, 14,000 capacity with say 3,000 away capacity leaves us with 11,000 home fans,which seems about right to me. Assuming we can get promoted then the away end could be well populated when playing bigger teams, and filled if we play the likes of Lincoln Doncaster Barnsley etc. If we play teams with a lower following and we need extra capacity for us, open up more of the away end. Remember, Bournemouth only looked at what were getting when the redeveloped their ground, look how that turned out.
We are in a unique position in that we do not have any big clubs nearby, to watch top flight games we have to travel. There isn't any other sporting things to watch other than Town. If the facilities are right it is my belief that we could get bigger attendances when playing well.
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