Coronavirus

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Should be interesting viewing:

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I don't watch comedies

With the pubs re-opening  tomorrow and football on TV can we expect another rise in cases? One of the main reasons the government gave for allowing crowds to go to stadiums back in March was because it was much more likely that watching games in pubs and clubs would lead more COVID infections than watching them live.  Opening bars and clubs in America has proved a disaster and a lot of states have been forced to close them again.
Can we trust the U.K. Public to act sensibly with a few beers down them? I hope they do but I fear the worst

You could sense the nervousness from the scientist's.
As it was stated local lockdowns are the way forward from now on.
Rancid Wetherspoon's breakfast at 06.00 anyone?

The blame will lie purely with the scientists among many people as we’d been repeatedly told we’re “following the science”. Highly qualified people thrown under a bus so that Spoons can open. Don’t get me started on that girl private Johnson’s non answer about his father bending the rules about travel. Rules that Johnson Jr is overseeing being written.

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I have no faith in the great British public. This is not unconscious prejudice but based on my personal experience of simple attempts to negotiate the great outdoors since the restrictions started to be lifted.
However that chart conjures up some amazing conclusions about risk. It is also true that bars in Texas had no protective measures in place.

Quoted from codcheeky

With the pubs re-opening  tomorrow and football on TV can we expect another rise in cases? One of the main reasons the government gave for allowing crowds to go to stadiums back in March was because it was much more likely that watching games in pubs and clubs would lead more COVID infections than watching them live.  Opening bars and clubs in America has proved a disaster and a lot of states have been forced to close them again.
Can we trust the U.K. Public to act sensibly with a few beers down them? I hope they do but I fear the worst

The vast majority of the sensible law abiding public will stick to the new rules.  The media will of course focus on the few that do not.

There will inevitably be a rise in cases of coronavirus and that would be the case whenever and however we began lifting restrictions, unless you want the UK to be in permanent lockdown which is impractical and unenforceable.

Until a vaccine is found the onus is on individuals to accept the risk of going out anywhere- including football when it restarts.

I tend to agree with a lot of your posts Lew but to open the pubs at this moment in time is bizarre to say the least and a Saturday of all times, The amount of people I’ve seen not following guidelines here in Louth and in Skegness were I work has amazed me, as if people in drink are going to abide by the rules and conditions put in place, what about the poor bar staff, the emergency services etc, I think opening of pubs this early is asking for trouble.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

The vast majority of the sensible law abiding public will stick to the new rules.  The media will of course focus on the few that do not.

There will inevitably be a rise in cases of coronavirus and that would be the case whenever and however we began lifting restrictions, unless you want the UK to be in permanent lockdown which is impractical and unenforceable.

Until a vaccine is found the onus is on individuals to accept the risk of going out anywhere- including football when it restarts.

I can actually agree with some of this but my experience is that in general people are unable to look at the wider picture. It is well known that younger people are less likely to become seriously ill from the virus. This factor alone changes some people's behaviour. I am forced to use public transport to get to places such as the hospital (now fully open again) for important post cancer appointments. Everyone who uses it knows that it is "compulsory" to wear face coverings on buses. People may also know that it is impossible legally to enforce that rule to the point where drivers cannot refuse to let non-conforming customers on. It is of course unfair to say this involves all young people but we have IMO developed this view best exampled by some younger people of "No-one is telling me what to do". I have witnessed two examples of this just this week both involving abuse of bus passengers for daring to ask the question.
Whilst there is this attitude older and more vulnerable people continue to be at risk to the point where they are prisoners in their own environment and for whom lifting of restrictions means bu**er all.
Unfortunately it is now akin to trying to put the genie back in the bottle. In hindsight we should have imposed far stricter lockdown  (in line with those in Greece, Italy and Spain to name a few). The populist slant of the current Government meant that this was never going to happen..

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

The vast majority of the sensible law abiding public will stick to the new rules.  The media will of course focus on the few that do not.

There will inevitably be a rise in cases of coronavirus and that would be the case whenever and however we began lifting restrictions, unless you want the UK to be in permanent lockdown which is impractical and unenforceable.

Until a vaccine is found the onus is on individuals to accept the risk of going out anywhere- including football when it restarts.

I agree that the economy must reopen, however if there is a sharp rise because people “forget“ the rules after few beers then the whole economy will have to be locked down again.
The PMs family cannot follow the rules on travel so how can he ask others to be sensible? There is no clear advice on face masks and little if any enforcement of the rules, it’s hard to blame authorities for this because they are so vague and loopholes can be found by people like Cummings who don’t want them to apply to them.
The table of relative risk in one of the posts above is a good guide and the Government should have published something similar a while ago. Surely it would be more sensible to have a chart like this and slowly work through the list opening the least dangerous sectors first?  I would suggest opening pubs and bars should be at the bottom end of that list, along with travelling by plane and large event crowds and perhaps working towards the end of the summer holidays while having a concerted effort to really get infection rates down would be a better long term plan.