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MuddyWaters
February 8, 2020, 8:21pm
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Given the opportunity, the lad from Caistor has shown just what he can do. He was clearly stifled by Jolley, credit goes to Anthony for bringing him back and putting him straight back in the starting eleven, credit to Chas for taking his chance.
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Oh, just seen this. Will delete mine. I agree completely by the way
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makes you wonder what jolley was upto leaving this guy to rot then sending him out to bottom of national lge on loan , jesus what a player & thankyou anthony for believing in him , new deal pleeeaaassse
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Agree with you completely Old Codger.  P.S.  How much do you get as his agent  
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How long has he left to run on his current deal, on current form and unlocked talent I’d suggest other clubs would be looking at him.


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How long has he left to run on his current deal, on current form and unlocked talent I’d suggest other clubs would be looking at him.


According to Cod Almighty, only until the end of this season- not sure how accurate their site is.
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It came up in one of the interviews with Olly. CV is out of contract in the summer.


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Agree with you completely Old Codger.  P.S.  How much do you get as his agent  


You didn't agree with me about him in October!!  
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It came up in one of the interviews with Olly. CV is out of contract in the summer.


Need to get that one done now then I reckon !!!


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Have to admit I didn't see a future for him a few months back. Quite a turnaround in his form of late. Still think he goes missing at times but he's now assisting or scoring on a regular basis, so can't knock him really.

I'd like to see us tie Hendrie up soon also.
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Have to admit I didn't see a future for him a few months back. Quite a turnaround in his form of late. Still think he goes missing at times but he's now assisting or scoring on a regular basis, so can't knock him really.

I'd like to see us tie Hendrie up soon also.


Hendrie is under contract till May 2021.
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You didn't agree with me about him in October!!  



Jolly was here then. I have started to send him tips and the improvement is there for all to see.  
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I'll hold my hands up at the start of the season I thought he was done, always seemed poor when he came on or disappeared early into games and looked a shell of the player we'd had a on loan. The loan spell seems to of done him good, he found someform away from home and has brought it back. He's still not the finished product, in that his end product still isn't good enough, he plays with his head down too much and is often selfi sh with the ball, saying that I can't wait to see what Ollie can do with him and draw out of him.


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Hendrie is under contract till May 2021.


Good, I thought it was this summer for some reason

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I'll hold my hands up at the start of the season I thought he was done, always seemed poor when he came on or disappeared early into games and looked a shell of the player we'd had a on loan. The loan spell seems to of done him good, he found someform away from home and has brought it back. He's still not the finished product, in that his end product still isn't good enough, he plays with his head down too much and is often selfi sh with the ball, saying that I can't wait to see what Ollie can do with him and draw out of him.


I agree. Couldn’t see what others saw in him back in the Autumn. The loan spell did him well. Thanks to Jolley.


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Jolley was a sharp object , he never knew talent if it hit him the face .
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He signed him


JESUS AT THE CENTRE
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He signed him


Russell Slade signed him initially
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Russell Slade signed him initially


On loan, yes.


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On loan, yes.


Would Jolley have signed him on permanent if he wasn't initially on loan? I know he got injured in Jolleys first game and was ruled out for the season but I assume Jolley spotted him in the few games he watched before becoming manager as somebody with potential. If Slade never signed him on loan at first would Vernam be here now? Likewise if Jolley was still here Vernam could still be shipped out on loan at Chorley
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but I assume Jolley spotted him in the few games he watched before becoming manager as somebody with potential.


I assume so too (he recognised talent!)


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Don't think there's many who saw a future at the club for Vernam a few months back, I certainly didn't.

Ability was never in doubt but he just couldn't seem to get going.  

Huge credit to Limbrick for recognising what was there and then to Holloway for encouraging it even further.  I know Limbrick took a lot of stick when he was caretaker but I think his value can be underestimated. Yes, the results weren't great but slowly the performances improved and the rut stopped.  Holloway has transformed the place but Limbrick gave him a steady foundation to build on, as opposed to the sinking ship that he inherited from Jolley.

Back to Vernam, long time since we've had a player where there's a genuine buzz when he gets the ball.  Saturday was the point of expectation every time he got the ball, which only increased as the game went on.  They doubled and trebled up on him but now with Glennon there to offer the overlap, teams are really struggling to contain our left side.  Great to watch.
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Don't think there's many who saw a future at the club for Vernam a few months back, I certainly didn't.

Ability was never in doubt but he just couldn't seem to get going.  

Huge credit to Limbrick for recognising what was there and then to Holloway for encouraging it even further.  I know Limbrick took a lot of stick when he was caretaker but I think his value can be underestimated. Yes, the results weren't great but slowly the performances improved and the rut stopped.  Holloway has transformed the place but Limbrick gave him a steady foundation to build on, as opposed to the sinking ship that he inherited from Jolley.

Back to Vernam, long time since we've had a player where there's a genuine buzz when he gets the ball.  Saturday was the point of expectation every time he got the ball, which only increased as the game went on.  They doubled and trebled up on him but now with Glennon there to offer the overlap, teams are really struggling to contain our left side.  Great to watch.


There's been many players at many clubs who are unlucky enough to play for a manager that doesn't 'get' them so when you get a player with a bit of flair like Charlie, it's very hard when the manager plays in a way that doesn't suit the player. I think Anthony and Ben deserve massive credit for putting CV back in the side and hope that we get him tied to a new contract very soon.
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Where's that Vernam thread from a while ago? Pretty sure I said all he needed was a run in the side, so I'm claiming that as a solid call on my part.  
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Where's that Vernam thread from a while ago? Pretty sure I said all he needed was a run in the side, so I'm claiming that as a solid call on my part.  


,,,,,and I suggested he had played his last game for Town. How things change, my first name on the team sheet now!


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Where's that Vernam thread from a while ago? Pretty sure I said all he needed was a run in the side, so I'm claiming that as a solid call on my part.  


He didn’t just need a run in the team, he needed to be played in the right place and doing the right things. He was disappearing from games and getting subbed which was his own fault but he was also turning back with the ball and playing hospitals passes to his full back instead of getting speed up and taking players on. That was Jolley’s fault. Pleased to see him become an attacking threat after so long just promising a lot. Credit to Limbrick but more to Holloway for giving him a proper job down that left side.



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He didn’t just need a run in the team, he needed to be played in the right place and doing the right things. He was disappearing from games and getting subbed which was his own fault but he was also turning back with the ball and playing hospitals passes to his full back instead of getting speed up and taking players on. That was Jolley’s fault. Pleased to see him become an attacking threat after so long just promising a lot. Credit to Limbrick but more to Holloway for giving him a proper job down that left side.



I don't disagree with any of that really, however the best football he played under Jolley was during the times when we got back to back starts though. His worst form was when his minutes were a bit all over the place.
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Remember him being in decent form around or just before the Xmas period last season. Then he got injured, and never really came back properly.

Well happy he's getting a decent run and is staying fit (touch wood). He's in fine form at the moment.


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,,,,,and I suggested he had played his last game for Town. How things change, my first name on the tram sheet now!


Do we not travel by coach any more ?? 😉


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Don't think there's many who saw a future at the club for Vernam a few months back, I certainly didn't.

Ability was never in doubt but he just couldn't seem to get going.  

Huge credit to Limbrick for recognising what was there and then to Holloway for encouraging it even further.  I know Limbrick took a lot of stick when he was caretaker but I think his value can be underestimated. Yes, the results weren't great but slowly the performances improved and the rut stopped.  Holloway has transformed the place but Limbrick gave him a steady foundation to build on, as opposed to the sinking ship that he inherited from Jolley.

Back to Vernam, long time since we've had a player where there's a genuine buzz when he gets the ball.  Saturday was the point of expectation every time he got the ball, which only increased as the game went on.  They doubled and trebled up on him but now with Glennon there to offer the overlap, teams are really struggling to contain our left side.  Great to watch.


Limbrick getting stick, where did you dig that one up from?
To be fair he got nothing but encouragement from the fans and the board, and regarding Charlie there was myself and a few around me who thought that he was a promising player being spoilt by poor management
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It's Livvo all over again, totally different style of player, but the same common problem...injury. If he can get through it, then great player at this level. If he can't, then not good. A fit and healthy Vernam is a major asset.
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Limbrick getting stick, where did you dig that one up from?
To be fair he got nothing but encouragement from the fans and the board, and regarding Charlie there was myself and a few around me who thought that he was a promising player being spoilt by poor management


Quick search brings up two examples, I'm sure there are many, many more.  That's just from this site as well.

https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1575739681/s-all/
https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1576942867/s-new/

Not unanimous (not that I ever said it was) and there is a fair few people praising the work done.  But there was plenty comparing his reign to when Neil Woods took us down.  Twitter, in particular, was full of opinions not favourable to his approach.

It wasn't a criticism of those who felt/feel he didn't do a good job.  Frustration was at an all time high and everyone's entitled to an opinion.  I was just observing that the value of the work he's done shouldn't be underestimated.  
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Please mr fenty get on the phone to Charlie’s agent tomorrow and get him signed up for next year let’s not have another amond slip up UTMM
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Needs signing up pronto. May already be too late. Been good since coming back from Chorley, but really taken off the last few weeks. Absolutely sensational goal. How many trying to stop him and they couldn't even hack him down!
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It's marvelous what confidence does to a player Ollie has given him that plus Anthony as well.


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Needs signing up pronto. May already be too late. Been good since coming back from Chorley, but really taken off the last few weeks. Absolutely sensational goal. How many trying to stop him and they couldn't even hack him down!


I’m less concerned than I would be under normal circumstances. I, I think like most, felt there was some genuine talent hiding in Vernam somewhere but his career has been in absolute freefall over the last few years.

Walking through the doors of Chorley FC, he must have wondered if his days as a fully professional footballer were numbered.

And then Ollie comes along, and then this. He’s working with someone now who has very quickly been able to get the best out of him, and it turns out his best is pretty special. After years of struggle and decline, it would be foolish to walk away from that, and I suspect he knows it.


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I’m less concerned than I would be under normal circumstances. I, I think like most, felt there was some genuine talent hiding in Vernam somewhere but his career has been in absolute freefall over the last few years.

Walking through the doors of Chorley FC, he must have wondered if his days as a fully professional footballer were numbered.

And then Ollie comes along, and then this. He’s working with someone now who has very quickly been able to get the best out of him, and it turns out his best is pretty special. After years of struggle and decline, it would be foolish to walk away from that, and I suspect he knows it.


I really hope so!
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It is clear to me that he is being encouraged to dribble with the ball, beat a man and be a bit greedy. Under previous management doing those things probably resulted in him being taken off or dropped.
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i said the other day what was jolley doing sending him to bottom of national league , his self belief at the moment is unreal thanks mainly to ih but also limbrick for starting him off , new deal & quick because on this form best winger in league his pace terrifies defences at this level, great been a mariner at tho moment & i haven't said that for many years utmm
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Just been given a big billing on Sky Sports News so expect Peterborough will be in touch shortly!!!

Certainly proving me wrong as I was one of his big doubters particularly because he drifted out of too many games after decent twenty minute cameos but at present he has the golden touch. Makes you think how easy it is for talented players to slip into the non league system as they don’t for whatever reason either get a proper chance or simply don’t get long enough to show their worth.

Keep it going a Charlie and let’s hope that new deal is in the post.
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CV's first against Colchester was so impressive: he was facing mostly away from goal when he received it; two quick touches and he's buried it.

If he can replicate that he could score in the premiership.

So...yes he needs tying down...with a 20/25 million release clause to fvck off Peterborough!
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CV's first against Colchester was so impressive: he was facing mostly away from goal when he received it; two quick touches and he's buried it.

If he can replicate that he could score in the premiership.

So...yes he needs tying down...with a 20/25 million release clause to fvck off Peterborough!


I have to say, I think he'll leave for nothing.  I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but if a League 1 club comes knocking, they will see an absolute bargain there, and paying him comparatively big bucks will be easy.

Let's hope we can tie him down, but I'd imagine his agent will be advising him to move on.
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It's over to Ollie now and what he wants for next season , , , , if Chaz is part of his plans which I would imagine he surely has to be then a new contract has to be sorted now and announced very soon and then get them Season tickets on sale  


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He won't leave for nothing as he's under 24. We would at least get £9.37 for him.


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He won't leave for nothing as he's under 24. We would at least get £9.37 M for him.



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I have to say, I think he'll leave for nothing.  I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but if a League 1 club comes knocking, they will see an absolute bargain there, and paying him comparatively big bucks will be easy.

Let's hope we can tie him down, but I'd imagine his agent will be advising him to move on.


I have read that although his contract is coming to an end,the club have the option of a further year.

Not sure how that works, but presumably we will be offering an improved longer term contract to tempt him to stay.

I imagine a main plank of Ollie's strategy to move up the leagues, is to develop young players and sell them at a hefty profit to give us the funds he will need so contracts will be important.
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I have read that although his contract is coming to an end,the club have the option of a further year.

Not sure how that works, but presumably we will be offering an improved longer term contract to tempt him to stay.

I imagine a main plank of Ollie's strategy to move up the leagues, is to develop young players and sell them at a hefty profit to give us the funds he will need so contracts will be important.


Ah, now that sounds really promising.

My understanding of 'options' is that it depends who has the option.  If it's with the club, they can extend the deal and inform the player of their intention - this is what happened with Harry davis this year, isn't it?
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He is a local lad so lets hope he wants to stay on Ollie's bus and see how far it can take him.


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Ah, now that sounds really promising.

My understanding of 'options' is that it depends who has the option.  If it's with the club, they can extend the deal and inform the player of their intention - this is what happened with Harry davis this year, isn't it?


Essentially, yes.  I think it's quite common that agents will negotiate a caveat when the deal is in the clubs favour, something like a pay increase if the option is exercised.  Based on his current form, I think it's fair to say that any renegotiation would be looking at a pay increase anyway.

When the option is in the favour of the player, it's usually based on appearances which is why we see it sometimes where a club will stop playing a player to avoid reaching the number of games where a new contract is triggered.  Usually cash-strapped clubs who end up doing this, unless they can get the player to agree to waive there extension option.

Great news that we've got the option on Vernam.  The fact we appear to be in talks suggests that we're looking to keep him on a deal that goes beyond the summer of 2021.  
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I'm convinced we'll not lose CV this summer, in essence he's had half a dozen performances of any note, the last 3 being his best by far, but prior to that he'd gone unnoticed and had to drop to a bottom of the national League just to get game time.
I would expect the scouts will now be out looking at him, but cannot see an offer coming in from anyone who would interest him.
If he plays excellent in the last 14 games maybe someone will take a punt on him, that being said, if he's loving his football here and believes Holloway will getting him playing even better, it would be more advantageous for his progression and increase his chances of getting a move higher up the pyramid staying with us for at least the 2920/2021 season.
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What Hursty called the “lazy scouts” will have taken notice the other night given the exposure that goal/performance have got which does make me worry a little tbh.


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I'm convinced we'll not lose CV this summer, in essence he's had half a dozen performances of any note, the last 3 being his best by far, but prior to that he'd gone unnoticed and had to drop to a bottom of the national League just to get game time.
I would expect the scouts will now be out looking at him, but cannot see an offer coming in from anyone who would interest him.
If he plays excellent in the last 14 games maybe someone will take a punt on him, that being said, if he's loving his football here and believes Holloway will getting him playing even better, it would be more advantageous for his progression and increase his chances of getting a move higher up the pyramid staying with us for at least the 2920/2021 season.


Ah, y'see I think there's a marked difference between a player hitting form at the right time of the season to attract the scouts and a player who's genuinely controlling and dictating games.

The way Vernam is playing he looks like a player who's head and shoulders above his peers rather than just hitting a purple streak.  The only comparisons in a Town shirt that I can give is one from 23 years ago, the other from about 5/6.  One is John Oster, the other is Conor Townsend.

The lazy scouts referenced by Mariner_09 will indeed have seen his goal return in recent weeks and his goal from the other night.  Those that have bothered to watch him in the last month will see a player who is dominant.  
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Ah, y'see I think there's a marked difference between a player hitting form at the right time of the season to attract the scouts and a player who's genuinely controlling and dictating games.

The way Vernam is playing he looks like a player who's head and shoulders above his peers rather than just hitting a purple streak.  The only comparisons in a Town shirt that I can give is one from 23 years ago, the other from about 5/6.  One is John Oster, the other is Conor Townsend.

The lazy scouts referenced by Mariner_09 will indeed have seen his goal return in recent weeks and his goal from the other night.  Those that have bothered to watch him in the last month will see a player who is dominant.  


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Get some perspective. This reminds me of a few weeks ago when Pollock was mentioned alongside Futcher. The lad is in very good form but lets not go OTT.


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Bottom line is that everyone has a price - that price will be higher if we tie him to a longer deal.
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It’s in everyone’s interest for him to extend , he’ll get more pay at a local club where he’ll play every week and be able to really put himself in the shop window .
It’s not like the club would ever stand in the way of him getting a good offer , we’d always sell him if the offer was right
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But what if a league one/Championship club puts a 3 year deal in front of him at 4k a week? It would be foolish on the strength of half a dozen good games, but then such clubs are always out there. CV would be crazy to turn that down!


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"We’ve got an option in his contract to take up. Do I want to extend it the way he’s going? Yes. Would I want to do it now while he’s on fire? No, I want to see how long he can stay on fire for"
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But what if a league one/Championship club puts a 3 year deal in front of him at 4k a week? It would be foolish on the strength of half a dozen good games, but then such clubs are always out there. CV would be crazy to turn that down!


If he's under contract to us then it's up to us not him! We need to exercise our option in the first instance and then sort out an extension that satisfies all parties.
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If he's under contract to us then it's up to us not him! We need to exercise our option in the first instance and then sort out an extension that satisfies all parties.


I agree. Only just became aware we had an option beyond this year.


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This is the lastest from IM taken from Grimsbyonline.

"We’ve got an option in his contract to take up. Do I want to extend it the way he’s going? Yes. Would I want to do it now while he’s on fire? No, I want to see how long he can stay on fire for"



Common sense from Ollie. A hat trick and some good games are great for us but this form would have to be continued over a decent period for the lad to be worthy of some of the OTT praise. He does have a look of Reddy or Boulding to him but it is still early days.


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Won't keep him, coz he's not even featured on 2020 calendar, Harry and Rose are so they have to be more important
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If he can replicate that he could score in the premiership.

So...yes he needs tying down...with a 20/25 million release clause to fvck off Peterborough!


Why do we constantly do this ? A few great goals and suddenly we go over the top. 'Bogle for England' I recall a few years back

Truth is he's unlikely to replicate Tuesday's goals in Div 2 again in a hurry never mind the Premiership, he'd have been taken out long before he got anywhere near the edge of the opposition box. a view shared I'm told by the Colchester manager who accused his lads of being afraid to tackle (foul) him!


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An approach taken by Ollie that is the opposite taken by Man United when appointing their current manager.

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Why do we constantly do this ? A few great goals and suddenly we go over the top. 'Bogle for England' I recall a few years back

Truth is he's unlikely to replicate Tuesday's goals in Div 2 again in a hurry never mind the Premiership, he'd have been taken out long before he got anywhere near the edge of the opposition box. a view shared I'm told by the Colchester manager who accused his lads of being afraid to tackle (foul) him!


The truth is that we’ve had very few players at GTFC in the last twenty years who were even capable of scoring a goal like that. CV is at least the equal of Siriki Dembele, which makes him a significant asset. Most of the best players in League 2 belong to Premiership or Championship clubs as well.
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Won't keep him, coz he's not even featured on 2020 calendar, Harry and Rose are so they have to be more important


I guess you dont buy a Calendar too often (and i dont mean just once a year )....my mum gets one every year for Christmas and by the time the she turns the February page there are normally at least 3 or 4 players missing.  By the time you get to October you have to remind yourself who the hell was that ?  



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The truth is that we’ve had very few players at GTFC in the last twenty years who were even capable of scoring a goal like that. CV is at least the equal of Siriki Dembele, which makes him a significant asset. Most of the best players in League 2 belong to Premiership or Championship clubs as well.


I do think people may be getting a little carried away, at least at this stage. Young Charles has played 50 odd games for us with performances ranging anywhere from anonymous to sensational.

Just recently he’s been sensational, no argument, but overall he’s had more games for us where he’s contributed relatively little.

If this is the true Charles Vernam we’re seeing now, then by all means that’s a very exciting prospect. But for me he needs to prove he can do it consistently over a longer period of time before comparisons to John Oster and Conor Townsend are warranted.


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I do think people may be getting a little carried away, at least at this stage. Young Charles has played 50 odd games for us with performances ranging anywhere from anonymous to sensational.

Just recently he’s been sensational, no argument, but overall he’s had more games for us where he’s contributed relatively little.

If this is the true Charles Vernam we’re seeing now, then by all means that’s a very exciting prospect. But for me he needs to prove he can do it consistently over a longer period of time before comparisons to John Oster and Conor Townsend are warranted.


Agree entirely. Nothing wrong with praise and a little bit of hype. Lord knows we have had enough dross through the doors over the last 15 years.

I have followed Town for 35 years so could list plenty who have been class acts but the last decade has seen very few players to get excited about. Off the top of my head the likes of Connel, Nolan, Bogle, Bennett, Townsend have, on their day, looked a cut above. I am sure others could add to this list but I am talking about pure ability.

Also the fattish winger from down south who we had 4/5 years ago. He never looked interested but showed glimpses of real quality. Can't remember his name????


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Agree entirely. Nothing wrong with praise and a little bit of hype. Lord knows we have had enough dross through the doors over the last 15 years.

I have followed Town for 35 years so could list plenty who have been class acts but the last decade has seen very few players to get excited about. Off the top of my head the likes of Connel, Nolan, Bogle, Bennett, Townsend have, on their day, looked a cut above. I am sure others could add to this list but I am talking about pure ability.

Also the fattish winger from down south who we had 4/5 years ago. He never looked interested but showed glimpses of real quality. Can't remember his name????


Scott Neilson?
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I do think people may be getting a little carried away, at least at this stage. Young Charles has played 50 odd games for us with performances ranging anywhere from anonymous to sensational.

Just recently he’s been sensational, no argument, but overall he’s had more games for us where he’s contributed relatively little.

If this is the true Charles Vernam we’re seeing now, then by all means that’s a very exciting prospect. But for me he needs to prove he can do it consistently over a longer period of time before comparisons to John Oster and Conor Townsend are warranted.


Some players just need a manager to give them the confidence to play. Obviously Charlie didn’t fit Jolleys style of play but he’s now thriving. I’m sure we’ve all had bosses that we’ve enjoyed working with and others we haven’t. Let’s just enjoy a liberated Vernam - it’s not just the five goals in four but the manner of the goals too.
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Scott Neilson?


That's him. Lazy as f**k but had some talent.


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That's him. Lazy as f**k but had some talent.


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Yes, assessments should be made over time and in a measured way.  However, a young man sent to Chorley (in exile) has come back and reinvented himself.

No 20 min cameo roles, no fading in games, no “not scoring” etc. He is not suffering from rejection or a loss of confidence. He has even got over a series of injuries.  Character building.

Instead he is confidence personified:  running at defenders more, and at pace and directness,  setting up goals, scoring goals and scoring great goals. He suddenly has the stamina, pace and energy to win a game on his own, late on.  (Colchester were brilliant last Sat, had a good cup-run and beat Spurs I his season).  He was up against a good team,

Opponents can only tackle him, stop or kick him if they can catch or intercept him.  Easier said than done it seems.  

My point is we should reserve judgement on his potential.  But, a big but, it is very rare in football for someone to improve so quickly and then do great things.  You need to be consistent but how many players in Div 1 or Div 2 have shown his levels of attacking individual skill in the first place?

He has shown that the ability to do this.  Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do things no one can imagine.  (Nobody said to Alan Turing that he had only broken Enigma, we will wait for further feats of brilliance).  Only looking back do you see the true level of achievement.

If he can look up more on his runs and pass to team-mates if they are in better positions, then his development and effectiveness should improve. At 23 he has time on his side if he has the drive, right attitude, determination and a willingness to listen and learn.
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Yes, assessments should be made over time and in a measured way.  However, a young man sent to Chorley (in exile) has come back and reinvented himself.

No 20 min cameo roles, no fading in games, no “not scoring” etc. He is not suffering from rejection or a loss of confidence. He has even got over a series of injuries.  Character building.

Instead he is confidence personified:  running at defenders more, and at pace and directness,  setting up goals, scoring goals and scoring great goals. He suddenly has the stamina, pace and energy to win a game on his own, late on.  (Colchester were brilliant last Sat, had a good cup-run and beat Spurs I his season).  He was up against a good team,

Opponents can only tackle him, stop or kick him if they can catch or intercept him.  Easier said than done it seems.  

My point is we should reserve judgement on his potential.  But, a big but, it is very rare in football for someone to improve so quickly and then do great things.  You need to be consistent but how many players in Div 1 or Div 2 have shown his levels of attacking individual skill in the first place?

He has shown that the ability to do this.  Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do things no one can imagine.  (Nobody said to Alan Turing that he had only broken Enigma, we will wait for further feats of brilliance).  Only looking back do you see the true level of achievement.

If he can look up more on his runs and pass to team-mates if they are in better positions, then his development and effectiveness should improve. At 23 he has time on his side if he has the drive, right attitude, determination and a willingness to listen and learn.


A far too measured assessment. I much prefer the 'will be playing in the prem. soon' shouts.


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From the highlights, I have to say that I think Vernam's goal the other week was better than his third against Colchester. Really poor defending from them though he skinned their defender alive at the start of the run. He's got a good trick to get past defenders on the outside when playing on the left. Really good finish for his first though which was more encouraging to me. The chance to stick a shot in the bottom corner from the edge of the box is likely to come a lot more often than running past several players from your own half! If he can keep that up, it will be more valuable than the odd wonder goal.

We've seen lots of games where he's drifted in and out or he hasn't even drifted in in the first place. Hopefully, we'll see fewer of these now he's getting a run in the team and his fitness is up to scratch. He wants to be aiming for a dozen goals for us this season, I'd have thought. Would be a good return for a player who spends a lot of time out wide.
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Really good point about the first goal and the much higher likelihood of chances like that occurring.


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Why do we constantly do this ? A few great goals and suddenly we go over the top. 'Bogle for England' I recall a few years back

Truth is he's unlikely to replicate Tuesday's goals in Div 2 again in a hurry never mind the Premiership, he'd have been taken out long before he got anywhere near the edge of the opposition box. a view shared I'm told by the Colchester manager who accused his lads of being afraid to tackle (foul) him!


Which is why I wrote 'if''.
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The one thing in all this I’ve not seen mentioned is how much fitter the whole squad and especially CV seem. I’m sure an element of this is in the mind too, but they simply do not stop working. It’s a great habit to have and it seems to have turned CV from a bit part player into a real game changer.


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Why do we constantly do this ? A few great goals and suddenly we go over the top. 'Bogle for England' I recall a few years back

Truth is he's unlikely to replicate Tuesday's goals in Div 2 again in a hurry never mind the Premiership, he'd have been taken out long before he got anywhere near the edge of the opposition box. a view shared I'm told by the Colchester manager who accused his lads of being afraid to tackle (foul) him!

Two of them did try and foul him but he was too quick for them!
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I do think people may be getting a little carried away, at least at this stage. Young Charles has played 50 odd games for us with performances ranging anywhere from anonymous to sensational.

Just recently he’s been sensational, no argument, but overall he’s had more games for us where he’s contributed relatively little.

If this is the true Charles Vernam we’re seeing now, then by all means that’s a very exciting prospect. But for me he needs to prove he can do it consistently over a longer period of time before comparisons to John Oster and Conor Townsend are warranted.


I think the comparison with dembele is fitting. Similarish age. Winger/striker. Stand out dribbling ability and pace (dembele maybe a bit quicker off the mark). Dembele only played 30 odd games for us and whilst he obviously had talent he never ran games in the way vernam has just recently (admittedly only very recently). And again whilst dembele had talent his use of it to have actual impact on games was rather limited. Vernam has certainly shown more of that already. Yet dembele obviously had potential to play higher than  league 2 and so that one stuttering season was enough for a club to come in for him with 100k when he put in a transfer request.

So in comparison I am sure that if vernam was out of contract at the end of the season at least a couple of club's in league 1 would have been delighted to sign him for free.

All a moot point now though as we have another year option and I think a transfer request from him would be unlikely. Dembele clearly wanted away well before the season ended and was very unhappy, whereas vernam seems to be loving it at the moment!
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Whilst I understand the points about the hype becoming over the top, I respectively disagree.  I don't know if it's a Grimsby thing but we seem to play down everything positive.  There's been so little to get excited about in the last 20 years following this club, perhaps people can be forgiven for getting a bit excited.

It's not just what he's producing on the pitch.  It's the air of expectation when he gets the ball now.   Away at Bradford you could almost feel the side stand willing the ball to come over to him.   That's the point I made regards Oster and Townsend, they're the only two players I can remember (perhaps Ivano although he was a talent in a very talented team) who created that level of buzz when they got the ball.  Oster as the young, swashbuckling talent with Townsend as someone just playing miles below his natural level.

The frustration with Dembele was that for his tricks and close control, he very rarely went anywhere with it.  He was 100% a rough diamond and it appears that he's now showing his true potential at Peterborough, albeit in a more advanced role than he played here.  Vernam is producing, both goals and assists.  
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