Charlie, new deal

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Scott Neilson?

That's him. Lazy as f**k but had some talent.

Quoted from smokey111

That's him. Lazy as f**k but had some talent.

And not popular with taxi drivers

Yes, assessments should be made over time and in a measured way.  However, a young man sent to Chorley (in exile) has come back and reinvented himself.

No 20 min cameo roles, no fading in games, no “not scoring” etc. He is not suffering from rejection or a loss of confidence. He has even got over a series of injuries.  Character building.

Instead he is confidence personified:  running at defenders more, and at pace and directness,  setting up goals, scoring goals and scoring great goals. He suddenly has the stamina, pace and energy to win a game on his own, late on.  (Colchester were brilliant last Sat, had a good cup-run and beat Spurs I his season).  He was up against a good team,

Opponents can only tackle him, stop or kick him if they can catch or intercept him.  Easier said than done it seems.  

My point is we should reserve judgement on his potential.  But, a big but, it is very rare in football for someone to improve so quickly and then do great things.  You need to be consistent but how many players in Div 1 or Div 2 have shown his levels of attacking individual skill in the first place?

He has shown that the ability to do this.  Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do things no one can imagine.  (Nobody said to Alan Turing that he had only broken Enigma, we will wait for further feats of brilliance).  Only looking back do you see the true level of achievement.

If he can look up more on his runs and pass to team-mates if they are in better positions, then his development and effectiveness should improve. At 23 he has time on his side if he has the drive, right attitude, determination and a willingness to listen and learn.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Yes, assessments should be made over time and in a measured way.  However, a young man sent to Chorley (in exile) has come back and reinvented himself.

No 20 min cameo roles, no fading in games, no “not scoring” etc. He is not suffering from rejection or a loss of confidence. He has even got over a series of injuries.  Character building.

Instead he is confidence personified:  running at defenders more, and at pace and directness,  setting up goals, scoring goals and scoring great goals. He suddenly has the stamina, pace and energy to win a game on his own, late on.  (Colchester were brilliant last Sat, had a good cup-run and beat Spurs I his season).  He was up against a good team,

Opponents can only tackle him, stop or kick him if they can catch or intercept him.  Easier said than done it seems.  

My point is we should reserve judgement on his potential.  But, a big but, it is very rare in football for someone to improve so quickly and then do great things.  You need to be consistent but how many players in Div 1 or Div 2 have shown his levels of attacking individual skill in the first place?

He has shown that the ability to do this.  Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do things no one can imagine.  (Nobody said to Alan Turing that he had only broken Enigma, we will wait for further feats of brilliance).  Only looking back do you see the true level of achievement.

If he can look up more on his runs and pass to team-mates if they are in better positions, then his development and effectiveness should improve. At 23 he has time on his side if he has the drive, right attitude, determination and a willingness to listen and learn.

A far too measured assessment. I much prefer the 'will be playing in the prem. soon' shouts.

From the highlights, I have to say that I think Vernam's goal the other week was better than his third against Colchester. Really poor defending from them though he skinned their defender alive at the start of the run. He's got a good trick to get past defenders on the outside when playing on the left. Really good finish for his first though which was more encouraging to me. The chance to stick a shot in the bottom corner from the edge of the box is likely to come a lot more often than running past several players from your own half! If he can keep that up, it will be more valuable than the odd wonder goal.

We've seen lots of games where he's drifted in and out or he hasn't even drifted in in the first place. Hopefully, we'll see fewer of these now he's getting a run in the team and his fitness is up to scratch. He wants to be aiming for a dozen goals for us this season, I'd have thought. Would be a good return for a player who spends a lot of time out wide.

Really good point about the first goal and the much higher likelihood of chances like that occurring.

Quoted from Ipswin

Why do we constantly do this ? A few great goals and suddenly we go over the top. 'Bogle for England' I recall a few years back

Truth is he's unlikely to replicate Tuesday's goals in Div 2 again in a hurry never mind the Premiership, he'd have been taken out long before he got anywhere near the edge of the opposition box. a view shared I'm told by the Colchester manager who accused his lads of being afraid to tackle (foul) him!

Which is why I wrote 'if''.

The one thing in all this I’ve not seen mentioned is how much fitter the whole squad and especially CV seem. I’m sure an element of this is in the mind too, but they simply do not stop working. It’s a great habit to have and it seems to have turned CV from a bit part player into a real game changer.

Quoted from Ipswin

Why do we constantly do this ? A few great goals and suddenly we go over the top. 'Bogle for England' I recall a few years back

Truth is he's unlikely to replicate Tuesday's goals in Div 2 again in a hurry never mind the Premiership, he'd have been taken out long before he got anywhere near the edge of the opposition box. a view shared I'm told by the Colchester manager who accused his lads of being afraid to tackle (foul) him!

Two of them did try and foul him but he was too quick for them!

Quoted from Poojah

I do think people may be getting a little carried away, at least at this stage. Young Charles has played 50 odd games for us with performances ranging anywhere from anonymous to sensational.

Just recently he’s been sensational, no argument, but overall he’s had more games for us where he’s contributed relatively little.

If this is the true Charles Vernam we’re seeing now, then by all means that’s a very exciting prospect. But for me he needs to prove he can do it consistently over a longer period of time before comparisons to John Oster and Conor Townsend are warranted.

I think the comparison with dembele is fitting. Similarish age. Winger/striker. Stand out dribbling ability and pace (dembele maybe a bit quicker off the mark). Dembele only played 30 odd games for us and whilst he obviously had talent he never ran games in the way vernam has just recently (admittedly only very recently). And again whilst dembele had talent his use of it to have actual impact on games was rather limited. Vernam has certainly shown more of that already. Yet dembele obviously had potential to play higher than  league 2 and so that one stuttering season was enough for a club to come in for him with 100k when he put in a transfer request.

So in comparison I am sure that if vernam was out of contract at the end of the season at least a couple of club's in league 1 would have been delighted to sign him for free.

All a moot point now though as we have another year option and I think a transfer request from him would be unlikely. Dembele clearly wanted away well before the season ended and was very unhappy, whereas vernam seems to be loving it at the moment!