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All keepers make terrible blunders.
Just the name of the game - Petr Cech was the best of his generation but still chucked one in during a major tournament which led to his country being eliminated. I remember being pleased when Nigel Martyn came into the England team but he made a complete balls-up to get us eliminated from Euro 2000 (credit also due to Phil flipping Neville for their winner). Seaman vs 10-man Brazil in the World Cup, anyone? It's just one of those things.
The 'greatest' goalkeepers have the luck of getting away with these errors because they are in better teams or the goals come in games which are then won and not lost. I don't doubt Gordon Banks chucked one or two in during his time as well.
Henderson could well turn out to be England's keeper for a decade. He'll still make one or two howlers if he is.
Like I said he is a good keeper. I think he may be about as good as De Gea already. The truly great keepers do not make howlers in the big games. Interesting you mention Seaman, he was already well known for making the mistake of moving way off his line too soon but he still did it! Even the Brazil game didn’t cure him. I hope Henderson learns from that. |
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Like I said he is a good keeper. I think he may be about as good as De Gea already. The truly great keepers do not make howlers in the big games. Interesting you mention Seaman, he was already well known for making the mistake of moving way off his line too soon but he still did it! Even the Brazil game didn’t cure him. I hope Henderson learns from that.
I sort of agree about Seamen, BUT I think when he and Schmeichel were in the Prem, it was a golden age for goalkeeping. They were both incredible. I don't think anyone has got close to them until now, with Ederson at Man City and Alisson at Liverpool. If fit, Hendo will make the Euro squad at least. |
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I sort of agree about Seamen, BUT I think when he and Schmeichel were in the Prem, it was a golden age for goalkeeping. They were both incredible. I don't think anyone has got close to them until now, with Ederson at Man City and Alisson at Liverpool.
If fit, Hendo will make the Euro squad at least.
Seaman never learned though. His other fault was the old Harry Wainman trick of letting the ball through his legs instead of getting his body behind it. Schmeichel was a much better keeper. But golden age? No. that was from Bonnetti, Stepney, Clemence, Shilton, Pat Jennings, David Harvey, Joe Corrigan, Phil Parkes, Neville Southall, Chris Woods ....... any of those would walk into any PL side today and that is only a selection of the 70s to 90s British goalkeepers. I think you are right it is a cert that Henderson will make the Euros. |
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Chris Woods was better than David Seaman?!
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Chris Woods was better than David Seaman?!
Opinion isn’t it? I wouldn’t necessarily say so but he was well thought of in Scotland. But Seaman I always felt was overrated. Good shot stopper but anything in the air near goal was heart in the mouth time. The way Arsenal played favoured him greatly, especially playing behind Adams and Bould who tended to take anything in the air. |
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But golden age? No. that was from Bonnetti, Stepney, Clemence, Shilton, Pat Jennings, David Harvey, Joe Corrigan, Phil Parkes, Neville Southall, Chris Woods ....... any of those would walk into any PL side today and that is only a selection of the 70s to 90s British goalkeepers.
Bonetti, you say? Try from 3:10 of the following clip: https://youtu.be/Ps3JBN1vAe0England cruising at 2-0 up in a World Cup quarter-final against Germany and Bonetti dives over an easy shot from Beckenbauer to let them back into it. Still haunts Bonetti to this day, apparently. Like I said, all keepers make bad errors and most of the best have made one in important games. |
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Bonetti, you say? Try from 3:10 of the following clip: https://youtu.be/Ps3JBN1vAe0England cruising at 2-0 up in a World Cup quarter-final against Germany and Bonetti dives over an easy shot from Beckenbauer to let them back into it. Still haunts Bonetti to this day, apparently. Like I said, all keepers make bad errors and most of the best have made one in important games.
Which is why Bonetti was only the reserve keeper for England and Banks was unfit or knobbled as some people maintained.  My list is not a list of all time greats, just a response to Heisenberg about the “golden age” of keepers. It does include others who made howlers but I still maintain what I said to you, the truly great keepers of any nationality did not make real howlers in the big games. |
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Cant believe the amount of space players had in that game, ridiculous lol.
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Seaman never learned though. His other fault was the old Harry Wainman trick of letting the ball through his legs instead of getting his body behind it. Schmeichel was a much better keeper. But golden age? No. that was from Bonnetti, Stepney, Clemence, Shilton, Pat Jennings, David Harvey, Joe Corrigan, Phil Parkes, Neville Southall, Chris Woods ....... any of those would walk into any PL side today and that is only a selection of the 70s to 90s British goalkeepers.
I think you are right it is a cert that Henderson will make the Euros.
Shilts was a real favourite of mine, but by 1990 he was 40 and bowed out with a few howlers himself. I must admit to not seeing any football really until ‘86 or so, so people like Clemence are just names to me really. I do think that Chris Woods was massively underrated though. Really unfortunate not to get more caps. |
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Shilts was a real favourite of mine, but by 1990 he was 40 and bowed out with a few howlers himself.
I must admit to not seeing any football really until ‘86 or so, so people like Clemence are just names to me really.
I do think that Chris Woods was massively underrated though. Really unfortunate not to get more caps.
Yes I think Shilton should have retired or been retired from internationals sooner too. One thing that surprised me was how ineffective Clemence was on the England coaching staff. The standard of goalkeeping was going down and you would have thought he might have been the bloke to stop the rot. Instead we got Joe Hart.  |
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