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In 20 years they won't need a Rooney Rule in football. Watching the EFL show on Saturday night the number of BAME players has increased quite dramatically in the past few seasons as clubs have deliberately scouted inner city youth football and the EFL has now started to import more from abroad to copy the PL.  It stands to reason that eventually this will affect the composition of management across the leagues as time passes.


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Quoted from psgmariner
This article suggests the Rooney Rule does apply in the EFL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49330594

Joining Derby County's new coaching team, headed by three-time Dutch title-winning boss Phillip Cocu, was almost 15 years in the making for Liam Rosenior.

The move also came a month after the English Football League made it mandatory that clubs must interview at least one black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) candidate when searching for a new first-team manager.

The regulation, informally known as the 'Rooney Rule' - named after the NFL diversity committee chairman Dan Rooney who helped establish the policy in American football - is one that Rosenior has spoken at length about in the past.


PS I really hope the club have checked this!


I assume they will have done. Could be one of the reasons why Sol was interviewed before Jolley got the job perhaps.  

Also surely this rule only applies if someone from a BAME background actually applies for the job? Otherwise it would make even less sense than it does now.
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The cycle is always the same. Calls to sack the manager start. Calls to sack the manager become louder, peppered with suggestions of managers who are currently free and who we should be going for. Manager sacked. Half the forum questions why the manager was sacked (not including Slade here). Lists of managers are posted, with everyone picking their favourite and many getting overexcited. We then remember we're a managerial graveyard and anyone decent is not going to risk coming here. Finally, acceptance that we're going to appoint someone cheap and nowhere near the top of anyone's list. Manager appointed. Calls to sack the manager start.

I hope I'm wrong. But I've seen little over the years to suggest otherwise.


This goes on constantly at just about every other professional football club, we are no different.
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Quoted from psgmariner
This article suggests the Rooney Rule does apply in the EFL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49330594

Joining Derby County's new coaching team, headed by three-time Dutch title-winning boss Phillip Cocu, was almost 15 years in the making for Liam Rosenior.

The move also came a month after the English Football League made it mandatory that clubs must interview at least one black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) candidate when searching for a new first-team manager.

The regulation, informally known as the 'Rooney Rule' - named after the NFL diversity committee chairman Dan Rooney who helped establish the policy in American football - is one that Rosenior has spoken at length about in the past.


PS I really hope the club have checked this!


Ah, thanks PSG. Must have missed it coming into effect over here.


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It WILL be somebody currently unemployed. GTFC will not want to pay compo.
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So, did Tottenham infringe on these 'rights' when appointing mourinho?
How many applicants got interviewed.


The whole world has gone fu(king mad


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Ian Evatt at Barrow has been touted as a possible. This is Gregor Robertson’s take on the club from this morning’s Times. Sorry it is long but can’t link to this site.


It is 1pm on Saturday at Holker Street, home of Barrow AFC, — but it feels more like 5.30pm. The long hike to reach Barrow-in-Furness, the windswept Cumbrian peninsula dangling into the Irish Sea, can have that effect and then there are those vast, leaden, wintery skies.

Inside Barrow’s newly refurbished Crossbar — which, erm, overlooks the crossbar — it is standing-room only, the welcome is warm and there is a crackle of excitement in the air. A bumper crowd to cheer on the surprise National League leaders against Barnet is on the cards.

“We had a fans forum last night,” Paul Hornby, the Barrow chairman, says. “One guy said, ‘If you don’t come and support Barrow now, you never will.’ We’re top of the league, we’ve got a fantastic manager, locals doing all the right things, putting our money in, and we’re playing a great brand of football — better than anything seen here since the Eighties. And it’s no longer the best-kept secret in Barrow.”

Indeed. A 3-0 thrashing of Notts County at Meadow Lane nine days ago sent Barrow top of the pile. Hopes of a return to the Football League for the first time in 47 years are blossoming. The 2-1 win on Saturday — including a first-half volley from John Rooney to rival any strike of his elder brother Wayne — was Barrow’s 11th victory in their past 12 league games. Liverpool and Ajax are the only teams in Europe to have gathered more points from the past dozen games.

Ian Evatt, the burly former Blackpool defender and captain, is the man who has orchestrated the Bluebirds’ surge. The 38-year-old, in his second season as Barrow manager, makes no bones about this season’s aim. “I think I’ve got the best team in the league,” Evatt says, and after the minor miracle he was part of with the Tangerines in 2010, he knows belief is everything.

“I played for a manager in Ian Holloway at Blackpool, who encouraged us — not just the players but the fans, the town — to believe we could achieve something special. And we did: we reached the Premier League. Football is not always about money or reputation. It’s about the 11 players you have on the pitch. This group of players are addicted to winning.”

Winning, in Barrow, the Victorian boomtown known for shipbuilding and heavy industry, is not a familiar habit. The 118-year-old club were Football League members for over 50 years and yet in all that time they achieved promotion once. Since dropping down they sought re-election — the system under which clubs had to apply for a place in the Football League until 1986 — 11 times. The last of those was in 1972 when they dropped out of the Fourth Division.

Isolation, in truth, has long been a burden and a strength. Form Lancaster you still have an hour to travel by train. The nearest motorway, the M6, is 45 minutes away. To better attract players, first-team training takes place at Hopwood Hall, a college 100 miles south on the fringe of Manchester.


Away teams and their fans (54 hardy Barnet fans made the voyage on Saturday) do not much fancy the prospect either. (I speak from experience: an 89th-minute substitute appearance here for Grimsby Town on a Tuesday night in November 2015 — westerly winds and rain belting in from the Irish Sea — was the coldest night of my life and enough to make anyone question their career choices.) Last December, after Barrow’s FA Trophy game against Halifax Town, the freezing substitutes had to be wrapped in foil blankets by medical staff.

Outside investment has never worked for long. Paul Casson, a Dallas-based businessman with roots in the town, bought the club in 2014 but soon learnt of the unique challenges Barrow face.

Hornby and three other local businessmen took control 13 months ago. There was a dislocation between club and town. “This type of club is quite parochial,” Hornby says. “We’re in a cul-de-sac. It’s like a siege mentality. You’ve really got to harness the support of the fans and that’s what we’ve done.” The Bluebirds Trust raised £50,000 for a 10 per cent stake. “It was a real community effort,” Levi Gill, the trust’s elected board member, says.

A concerted effort to engage with local businesses and schools is bearing fruit. Saturday’s hospitality offering was sold out. Commercial revenue has grown from £90,000 to £250,000. Concessions have been brought in-house. Holker Street’s social spaces have had some much-needed TLC. A soon-to-be-constructed fans’ zone, part-funded by the Football Foundation, should put a halt to a familiar exodus to the nearby Soccer Bar for a half-time pint.

Like many non-League crowds, Hornby says, Barrow’s have long been populated by the “flat-cap brigade”, so under-16s are now granted free entry. Attendances averaged 1,375 last season; Saturday’s gate was more than 2,000. “In the past when we’ve done these things, we’ve been beaten 4-0,” Gill says with a laugh. “But now there’s some confidence, a sense there’s some momentum building. And the town seems to be responding.”

Evatt’s dynamic side has been assembled with a budget among the lowest six in the division, but he has been backed in other ways. The squad stay in a hotel before every game. Evatt, with the help of the analyst Lewis Duckmanton, can utilise in-game video footage during half-time team talks. There has been investment in a GPS player-tracking system.

AFC Fylde made a move for Evatt in October, which “would have made sense financially”, Evatt admits, “but [Barrow] made it clear they wanted me to stay and it would have been hard to leave when it feels like a job half done.”

After losing six of their first nine games, it was a switch to an expansive 3-4-1-2 formation for the 2-1 win against Aldershot in September that sparked this remarkable run. Even their solitary defeat in the past dozen games, against Torquay United, came after a questionable penalty decision and a red card for Rooney which was subsequently rescinded.

Without the ball Barrow press high and with it they pass with pace and purpose. There is a balance of youth and experience. Sam Hird and Jason Taylor, who add composure and bite to the centre of defence and midfield, have more than 700 Football League appearances between them. Matthew Platt, a 22-year-old central defender on loan from Blackburn Rovers, has been a revelation. Scott Quigley, 27, a powerful striker who arrived from Blackpool in the summer, should have added to his 12-goal haul on Saturday.

Rooney’s strike — his tenth of the season — was a thing of beauty: plucked out of the sky and sent dipping and swerving into the far top corner from an acute angle. “I think he’ll be texting his brother saying, ‘Can you match that one Wayne?’ ” Evatt said. Rooney, who signed an extended contract last week, was more bashful. “Sometimes they go out the stadium or out for a throw-in,” he said. “Once in a blue moon they fly in. Luckily it did today.”

Barrow back in the Football League? What a story it would be. “It isn’t the time for pats on the back,” Evatt says. “We’ve got to look forward, keep progressing, we can’t stand still. But hopefully at the end of the season we’ll have something to sing about.”


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Sol Campbell was never interviewed before Jolley. H
E stated that he would take any job to get into management. Fenty made a comment along the lines of "if he wants a job he first needs to apply for one" which people took as we wanted him here.

As for interviewing at least one coulered manager, what a load of b****cos. What happens if we don't get an applicant? Do we have to drag someone off the street just to satisfy the criteria?

Don't forget we have had a manager already that satisfied these rules
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Quoted from mimma

What happens if we don't get an applicant? Do we have to drag someone off the street just to satisfy the criteria?



That is not such a crazy idea

a) he would be cheap thereby fitting the main criteria
b) no one would have heard of him which appears to be another necessary qualification based on the last appointment
so all he (or she) would need would be
c) an ability to talk utter bullshit whilst waving UEFA coaching qualifications in the air

We might also stumble across someone far better than the lengthy list of possibles much posted here


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Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
So, did Tottenham infringe on these 'rights' when appointing mourinho?
How many applicants got interviewed.


The whole world has gone fu(king mad


Spurs aren’t in the EFL. Doesn’t apply in the premier league which is lucky as they always seem to have the next on lined up when there’s a sacking.



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