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No it hasn't: https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/Non-EU migration which we have complete control over has always been higher than from EU countries, generally much higher. What is most noticeable about the referendum vote is that the areas with the highest proportion of leave voters are also those with some of the lowest proportions of actual immigrants. It's not immigration that's the problem. It's the fear of it, hence the banal scare stories beloved by the most fervent Brexiteers.
What about Boston then or is that an anomaly? |
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I only used Bulgaria as an example because I have visited there more times than any other EU country in the last 10 years. How about immigrants from Poland, Romania , Lithuania, Latvia and Hungary? Why do so many of them come here if their economies are thriving ? It can't be for the weather or political freedom. Do more of them speak English than say Germans or French? You say the fact that we are flooded with EU immigrants who are draining our resources is utter balderdash but how many EU nationals from the countries I quoted are there and what plans were put in place to accommodate such a large influx of unforeseen immigrants?
I refer you to this excellent reply:
No it hasn't: https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/Non-EU migration which we have complete control over has always been higher than from EU countries, generally much higher. What is most noticeable about the referendum vote is that the areas with the highest proportion of leave voters are also those with some of the lowest proportions of actual immigrants. It's not immigration that's the problem. It's the fear of it, hence the banal scare stories beloved by the most fervent Brexiteers.
The only thing i'd add to the above is that international students are still counted as non-EU immigrants in the statistics (of which there were estimated to be 217,000 arriving to the UK in 2018 ). The vast majority of these students leave the UK at the end of their course, so really shouldn't be treated as permanently settled immigrants who according to a load of posters here apparently deprive native Britons of employment opportunities. |
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| lew chaterleys lover |
| November 18, 2019, 4:24pm |
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Why can’t you grasp this simple point - EU migrants contribute, on average, almost £3k per head MORE to the economy than they COST the economy. They are net CONTRIBUTORS.
So how are THEY draining resources?
This has got to be the 7th or 8th time I’ve seen this mentioned on this thread alone. Is there something you don’t understand about that?
Thats odd. I read a report that said the benefit of net migration was less than 1% of GDP on the economy. (You will have to take my word for that) and when you take into account the pressure on schools hospitals roads infrastructure and housing all it does is make a slightly larger pot accessible by millions more people. It doesn't matter what we say really, you will never change your mind and I wont change mine. We will have to let the electorate decide. |
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| November 18, 2019, 4:31pm |
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One thing I would like to add to this debate is my personal stance on the whole immigration subject. I an neither a xenophobe or racist. However I do believe that any country has a sovereign right to control who is allowed into that country either as a permanent or temporary resident.
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| November 18, 2019, 4:52pm |
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Thats odd. I read a report that said the benefit of net migration was less than 1% of GDP on the economy. (You will have to take my word for that) and when you take into account the pressure on schools hospitals roads infrastructure and housing all it does is make a slightly larger pot accessible by millions more people.
It doesn't matter what we say really, you will never change your mind and I wont change mine. We will have to let the electorate decide.
Do you not find your wilful ignorance embarrassing? I’m bored to tears with you, but I beg you - read this article, it sums up the last few pages of this thread perfectly. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/migration-funding-distribution/You don’t have to have some big public conversion to anarchosyndicalism or get a job as a case worker supporting asylum seekers, but at least do yourself the favour of not spending the next 4 weeks in abject ignorance. |
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Do you not find your wilful ignorance embarrassing? I’m bored to tears with you, but I beg you - read this article, it sums up the last few pages of this thread perfectly. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/migration-funding-distribution/You don’t have to have some big public conversion to anarchosyndicalism or get a job as a case worker supporting asylum seekers, but at least do yourself the favour of not spending the next 4 weeks in abject ignorance.
Crikey - what brought that outburst on? You seem to find it unfathomable that people have different views to your own. As I say, we will see what the electorate decide. I don't think you will have many converts to your side though as you come across as very patronising. I won't reply to any more of your posts on this subject, as I think we have done it do death, so you will no longer need to be bored to tears. Goodbye and good luck. |
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| November 18, 2019, 5:20pm |
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Crikey - what brought that outburst on? You seem to find it unfathomable that people have different views to your own. As I say, we will see what the electorate decide. I don't think you will have many converts to your side though as you come across as very patronising.
I won't reply to any more of your posts on this subject, as I think we have done it do death, so you will no longer need to be bored to tears.
Goodbye and good luck.
Well said. |
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| November 18, 2019, 5:27pm |
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Crikey - what brought that outburst on? You seem to find it unfathomable that people have different views to your own. As I say, we will see what the electorate decide. I don't think you will have many converts to your side though as you come across as very patronising.
I won't reply to any more of your posts on this subject, as I think we have done it do death, so you will no longer need to be bored to tears.
Goodbye and good luck.
We’ll need all the luck we can get with ignorant fucckers like you deciding the country’s fate. Makes me ill. |
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| November 18, 2019, 5:41pm |
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We’ll need all the luck we can get with ignorant fucckers like you deciding the country’s fate. Makes me ill.
And that one statement takes away any level of credibility you have in this whole debate |
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| November 18, 2019, 5:50pm |
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That’s the problem - again - you don’t get to decide what is an objective fact based on whether you like the person saying it or not.
I think “debate” is stretching it a bit too...
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