Football Against Facism

Quoted from MarinerWY

Why has this moved to non-football? The reason it's caused such offence is that it is about representation of our club, and views on  the mixing of political ideologies and football.

It is as directly related to football as discussions around a renovated stand, matchday transport or an interview with a shareholder.

Thread was hijacked by the far left claiming farage is a racist and a facist.

How is Farage racist when he wants to trade with the world.

How is Farage a facist when he wants to break free from the EU which is facist.

Fascism stands for a centralized government headed by a dictator., that's is the EU in a nutshell.

Quoted from rancido

So the huge influx of EU nationals over the last 15 years, especially from Eastern Europe, has not put the NHS under any kind of pressure due to the increased number of people using a facility that was designed for a smaller population?

Such a simple truth that you point out, and also Pete's on the same topic just does not seem to resonate with people who refuse to believe it.

Even if the immigrants produce a net benefit to the economy, what good has it done us? On a hamster wheel of greater and greater immigration with a fractionally higher GDP, to be shared between many millions more of the population.

Added to that the increases needed in housing, schools, NHS provision, infrastructure and in some cases increased welfare benefits.

Some towns have been completely transformed and the indigenous population had no say in whatsoever.

Nobody is objecting to controlled immigration with numbers that we can assimilate, but the current level is just unsustainable and ridiculous.

Where migrants contribute more to the economy than they cost, this money should be going into providing and improving the infrastructure for a larger population. To say people have no say is completely wrong - by law they have a say every 5 years but the country has consistently chosen to hand that surplus economic benefit straight over to people who don’t need it in tax breaks for the wealthy. Don’t blame migrants for the fact that the country has decided, again and again, to give billionaires tax breaks rather than improve life for the general population.

Besides, walk into any GP surgery or hospital waiting room and you’ll be hard pressed to find a Polish plumber or Lithuanian strawberry picker, but you’ll see plenty of pensioners, urine cans and overweight people.

Take some responsibility. Migrants aren’t the cause of all your woes.

Quoted from ska face

Where migrants contribute more to the economy than they cost, this money should be going into providing and improving the infrastructure for a larger population. To say people have no say is completely wrong - by law they have a say every 5 years but the country has consistently chosen to hand that surplus economic benefit straight over to people who don’t need it in tax breaks for the wealthy. Don’t blame migrants for the fact that the country has decided, again and again, to give billionaires tax breaks rather than improve life for the general population.

Besides, walk into any GP surgery or hospital waiting room and you’ll be hard pressed to find a Polish plumber or Lithuanian strawberry picker, but you’ll see plenty of pensioners, urine cans and overweight people.

Take some responsibility. Migrants aren’t the cause of all your woes.

Nobody is blaming migrants. Its all in your head. We are putting forward an argument that they are nowhere near the benefit you think.

Not much of an argument is it? Migrants create a load of wealth that WE p1ss away, then blame migrants for it?

Quoted from ska face

Not much of an argument is it? Migrants create a load of wealth that WE p1ss away, then blame migrants for it?

I gave a reasonable argument above, but you don't want to know. That is your prerogative.

The only thing I might ask someone like yourself is "Is there ANY limit to immigration in your eyes, and at what level do you think it might increase problems for the whole population in terms of housing, infrastructure, NHS provision, road congestion, school places?

Yeah no criminals, no oligarchs, no human rights abusers, no tax dodgers, no arms traders and no child traffickers.

Unfortunately as this reads like an invitation list for a Conservative Donors evening, I doubt I’ll get my wish anytime soon.

Absolutely bang on correct Ska.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Nobody is blaming migrants. Its all in your head. We are putting forward an argument that they are nowhere near the benefit you think.

You're ignoring all the actual hard economic evidence to the contrary. I think i'll take the word of academics and economists over your gut feelings.

Quoted from Chrisblor

You're ignoring all the actual hard economic evidence to the contrary. I think i'll take the word of academics and economists over your gut feelings.

Of course you would. We all know that. I would rather take a more pragmatic view, based on real peoples views.

Have you any input on how many immigrants you would like to flood the UK, or would you rather hope that there would be no negative impact on housing, infrastructure, schools hospitals and roads? Just for a laugh, give us your best guess at an upper limit you would like to arrive without it having a neegative impact on all of us. The hard economic evidence you talk about is an increase of GDP at the margins, which means the square root of not a lot when there are millions more people in the country, all needing state services.