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| November 12, 2019, 5:51pm |
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The honeymoon period is over. Patience is wearing thin.
We now need to see some actual progress on the pitch or else things are going to get very ugly very soon. I have never ever seen a walk out like the one in the Orient game.
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| moosey_club |
| November 12, 2019, 7:39pm |
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I am old enough to remember Neil signing for the Scunts as a whinger.
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| KingstonMariner |
| November 12, 2019, 7:47pm |
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At this rate I'll ask one question....what we got to lose??
Adding to Forza’s comment .....more debt.... ....and as I said, more wasted time. The odds are we won’t get a better manager or playing squad. What makes you think we’ll get the right man next time? |
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| KingstonMariner |
| November 12, 2019, 7:51pm |
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Don’t forget Kingston that Jolley came in with a tremendous amount of goodwill, had a bit of luck to set him off and talked a good game. He was also the only one for the job. I was never convinced by him but he stuck those qualifications and all the latest jargon under our noses and we gave him the benefit. Well, the benefit is now over. The second season is always the big test, a year to get the dead wood out, a year to get the side settled and trained in the pressing game we were promised. It is not happening and the choice is now risky whichever route we take. The side needs an injection of confidence and playing style plus game winning nous. That was what we wanted post-Slade and it is still missing. If spinning the wheel is what it means then that’s what must be done but don’t leave it too late this time. We should be putting the snow chains on now perhaps!
But what makes you think we will make the right choice next time? When was the last good managerial selection? PS I’m wondering what good luck Jolley got when he first joined? |
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| KingstonMariner |
| November 12, 2019, 7:54pm |
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We have missed the bus again KM Sol has gone to Southend.
And they look like they could be joining us next season. |
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| Northbank Mariner |
| November 12, 2019, 7:55pm |
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Adding to Forza’s comment .....more debt....
....and as I said, more wasted time.
The odds are we won’t get a better manager or playing squad. What makes you think we’ll get the right man next time?
So basically KM your acceptance is that of crap football, tactical ineptness and non-league football??.. If you want my opinion I'd give Dave Moore the opportunity to turn this lot into an half decent footballing side as I do believe the quality is there...Even Woodsy would do better job than Jolley at the moment....the problems isn't the squad, it's the inability of the manager and his staff to organise them into a cohesive unit that understand their roles due to constantly asking them to do what they weren't brought into the club to do... |
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| Gaffer58 |
| November 12, 2019, 7:57pm |
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Getting the right manager, and players, is basically down to luck, for example Man U haven't done too well since Fergie left,also Arsenal's current manager had a worse record over the last 50 games than Wenger, and look at the hassle he got in the final couple of years.
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| KingstonMariner |
| November 12, 2019, 8:03pm |
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So basically KM your acceptance is that of crap football, tactical ineptness and non-league football??..
If you want my opinion I'd give Dave Moore the opportunity to turn this lot into an half decent footballing side as I do believe the quality is there...Even Woodsy would do better job than Jolley at the moment....the problems isn't the squad, it's the inability of the manager and his staff to organise them into a cohesive unit that understand their roles due to constantly asking them to do what they weren't brought into the club to do...
I don’t accept crap football. Never said anything of the sort. It’s just all we’d be doing in changing managers now is moving the deckchairs on the Titanic. I think we’re more likely to get more crap football if we spin the wheel now. A better manager could do better. Of course. Are you confident we will make a better choice? If your answer is ‘yes’ : REALLY? More fundamental change is needed at the club. The other factor is as long as other clubs overspend with impunity the odds are further tipped against us. |
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| Abdul19 |
| November 12, 2019, 8:16pm |
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Getting the right manager, and players, is basically down to luck, for example Man U haven't done too well since Fergie left,also Arsenal's current manager had a worse record over the last 50 games than Wenger, and look at the hassle he got in the final couple of years.
Man Utd weren't s hit under David Moyes because of luck, they were s hit because they'd appointed David Moyes as manager. |
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| Northbank Mariner |
| November 12, 2019, 8:38pm |
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I don’t accept crap football. Never said anything of the sort. It’s just all we’d be doing in changing managers now is moving the deckchairs on the Titanic. I think we’re more likely to get more crap football if we spin the wheel now.
A better manager could do better. Of course. Are you confident we will make a better choice? If your answer is ‘yes’ : REALLY?
More fundamental change is needed at the club.
The other factor is as long as other clubs overspend with impunity the odds are further tipped against us.
Whilst I agree the bigger problem is more deep rooted and the club needs an overhaul starting at the top table, I will not agree that a change of manager won't change things. Taking Jolley on was a massive gamble and that gamble initially seemed to pay off but now his chips have all gone and the roulette wheel needs spinning again .. Is there better managers out there than Jolley?who are available,? Undoubtedly...but ones that this board would fund, no!!... People mention Tisdale, Adkins, Holloway, all out of our reach, but I'm pretty someone, the likes of Sol Campbell, who have an awful lot of football experience, have the badges and just want to get that first rung on the ladder would take the task on of trying to turn this oil tanker round in Sydney Park pond.... |
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