VAR & Martin Atkinson

Total overreaction,it's going according to plan:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50380641

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Have you seen it? There is no way that decision is "black and white." Are you honestly saying that a goal should be disallowed because someone in a studio deems that one players big toe is one centimetre in front of a defenders knee cap after a subjective view of when the ball is played,  and where the imaginary line is drawn? It was not even the move that led to the goal.

You think that people who paid hundreds of pounds to get to and attend the match think that is the correct decision?

It took 3 minutes to arrive at the decision after endless deliberation and to may observers they still got it wrong. Why is that good for the game in any way?

It is the system they selected to use therefore it is almost the "new law" in effect, if its there they have to use it and the closest decicions will take much greater scrutiny to get right....some more easily identifiable off sides are done very quickly....both in support of original decisions or overturning them.
Personally i dont like the idea of VAR at all, i didnt like the idea of goal line technology either but i really dont hear anyone complaining about that anymore....in effect its exactly the same technology to split hairs, has the whole of the ball crossed the line ?....is the whole of that foot,head, person onside ?
Overall though, until we face it on a weekly basis as GTFC i dont really care and find it all pretty amusing....i am sure by the time we are included the technology will have bedded in.

Quoted from moosey_club

It is the system they selected to use therefore it is almost the "new law" in effect, if its there they have to use it and the closest decicions will take much greater scrutiny to get right....some more easily identifiable off sides are done very quickly....both in support of original decisions or overturning them.
Personally i dont like the idea of VAR at all, i didnt like the idea of goal line technology either but i really dont hear anyone complaining about that anymore....in effect its exactly the same technology to split hairs, has the whole of the ball crossed the line ?....is the whole of that foot,head, person onside ?
Overall though, until we face it on a weekly basis as GTFC i dont really care and find it all pretty amusing....i am sure by the time we are included the technology will have bedded in.

Basically it will continue albeit with tweaks next season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50423973

Quoted from Stadium

Basically it will continue albeit with tweaks next season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50423973

Can one of the 'tweaks' be the installation of an explosive device underneath the VAR shed at Stockley Park?

I'm sure VAR could become a good thing but only with the right software to help them.  I would imagine at the minute the VAR team are having to manually line up for offsides and stop the frame when the ball is played.  Software would be much quicker, it could auto align for offsides and show a close up of the players foot touching the ball (no idea if its when the players foot touches the ball or whether its when it leaves his boot).  This could easily reduce the decision time.

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It is the system they selected to use therefore it is almost the "new law" in effect, if its there they have to use it and the closest decicions will take much greater scrutiny to get right....some more easily identifiable off sides are done very quickly....both in support of original decisions or overturning them.
Personally i dont like the idea of VAR at all, i didnt like the idea of goal line technology either but i really dont hear anyone complaining about that anymore....in effect its exactly the same technology to split hairs, has the whole of the ball crossed the line ?....is the whole of that foot,head, person onside ?
Overall though, until we face it on a weekly basis as GTFC i dont really care and find it all pretty amusing....i am sure by the time we are included the technology will have bedded in.

That is a bit defeatist isn't it?

The "new law" has quite rightly come under intense scrutiny and is basically rubbish.

It has even affected the Mariners (Crystal Palace) and I was not laughing then and I am not laughing now. It is the principle I object to; I would rather a referee make all the decisions. The referee is as much a part of the game as the players fans and managers, and there is only one way this is all going - the referee will get less and less say on proceedings which is wrong because only the referee can take all factors into account (ie Fox's dismissal at Palac)

Of course refs make mistakes, but so do players and managers and fans.

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Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

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It is the system they selected to use therefore it is almost the "new law" in effect, if its there they have to use it and the closest decicions will take much greater scrutiny to get right....some more easily identifiable off sides are done very quickly....both in support of original decisions or overturning them.
Personally i dont like the idea of VAR at all, i didnt like the idea of goal line technology either but i really dont hear anyone complaining about that anymore....in effect its exactly the same technology to split hairs, has the whole of the ball crossed the line ?....is the whole of that foot,head, person onside ?
Overall though, until we face it on a weekly basis as GTFC i dont really care and find it all pretty amusing....i am sure by the time we are included the technology will have bedded in.

That is a bit defeatist isn't it?

The "new law" has quite rightly come under intense scrutiny and is basically rubbish.

It has even affected the Mariners (Crystal Palace) and I was not laughing then and I am not laughing now. It is the principle I object to; I would rather a referee make all the decisions. The referee is as much a part of the game as the players fans and managers, and there is only one way this is all going - the referee will get less and less say on proceedings which is wrong because only the referee can take all factors into account (ie Fox's dismissal at Palac)

Of course refs make mistakes, but so do players and managers and fans.

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Unfortunately whilst that is lovely idea , Sky sports ruined all that when they introduced all the additional cameras at televised games and could easily highlight primarily linesmen mistakes. That is where all this has stemmed from, all the "top clubs" bemoaning incorrect decisions that cost them a point in after match interviews and every pundit on every highlight show doing the same.

We could all live happily in ignorance prior to the additional angles and slo motion,we just simply thought the decision was right or wrong depending on what end of the decision you were and just moved on.  That is much more difficult when there is video evidence proving it was totally incorrect.

Quoted from Meza

I'm sure VAR could become a good thing but only with the right software to help them.  I would imagine at the minute the VAR team are having to manually line up for offsides and stop the frame when the ball is played.  Software would be much quicker, it could auto align for offsides and show a close up of the players foot touching the ball (no idea if its when the players foot touches the ball or whether its when it leaves his boot).  This could easily reduce the decision time.

Background on that here:

https://youtu.be/PCOK7-kc_8o

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

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It is the system they selected to use therefore it is almost the "new law" in effect, if its there they have to use it and the closest decicions will take much greater scrutiny to get right....some more easily identifiable off sides are done very quickly....both in support of original decisions or overturning them.
Personally i dont like the idea of VAR at all, i didnt like the idea of goal line technology either but i really dont hear anyone complaining about that anymore....in effect its exactly the same technology to split hairs, has the whole of the ball crossed the line ?....is the whole of that foot,head, person onside ?
Overall though, until we face it on a weekly basis as GTFC i dont really care and find it all pretty amusing....i am sure by the time we are included the technology will have bedded in.

That is a bit defeatist isn't it?

The "new law" has quite rightly come under intense scrutiny and is basically rubbish.

It has even affected the Mariners (Crystal Palace) and I was not laughing then and I am not laughing now. It is the principle I object to; I would rather a referee make all the decisions. The referee is as much a part of the game as the players fans and managers, and there is only one way this is all going - the referee will get less and less say on proceedings which is wrong because only the referee can take all factors into account (ie Fox's dismissal at Palac)

Of course refs make mistakes, but so do players and managers and fans.

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The referee has the final say.
In the case of the fox tackle it was the correct decision.
My issue would be that var was only used in selected matched that weekend.