Grimsby town ladies

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I see there's an interview with Beth Wharton on the OS with the headline "Meet The Girl Who Scored The First GTFC Hat-Trick".

I appreciate that Beth is only 16 or 17, but it extremely sexist to call her a "girl". I never saw the OS describe Matt Pollock as a "boy" when he played when only 17 years old. In fact I can't recall ever seeing a gender specific term to describe a player from the men's team. It shows a level of unconscious sexism.

And it is also extremely patronising. The story is basically that Beth Wharton managed to score a hat-trick despite only being a girl.

Give over, I had girl friends (if I was lucky) at 16/17.

Typical political correctness gone mad, trying to make something out of nothing at all.

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Quoted from GollyGTFC

I see there's an interview with Beth Wharton on the OS with the headline "Meet The Girl Who Scored The First GTFC Hat-Trick".

I appreciate that Beth is only 16 or 17, but it extremely sexist to call her a "girl". I never saw the OS describe Matt Pollock as a "boy" when he played when only 17 years old. In fact I can't recall ever seeing a gender specific term to describe a player from the men's team. It shows a level of unconscious sexism.

And it is also extremely patronising. The story is basically that Beth Wharton managed to score a hat-trick [b]despite only being a girl.

No suggestion of 'only being a girl' at all. At different points in the article ,and comments above, the words 'womens' ,'ladies', girls and ladies/girls are used. There is no sexism , unconscious or otherwise. Perhaps you could advise which words are woke enough in whatever context. Meanwhile, my 68 year old wife will continue to organise her 'Nights out with the girls', most of whom are older than her. Lighten up 'young man' !

Your more than welcome to wonder down to London Road on Sunday to watch Grimsby Ladies , parking is limited so please car share were possible as there is little street parking, the venue will have hot food and beverages with alcoholic drinks available in the function room (available for hire!) and admission is free, but please do not bring your dog as they are not permitted on the playing arena. Hopefully there will be good support and all will be suitably impressed with the county's premier sporting complex!

Incidentally Golly. It's Grimsby Town Women FC. Much less sexist than 'Ladies' with its conotations of Victorian domesticity*


* Or chaps with grey moustaches in dresses proclaiming 'I'm a lady' that the name Louth Old Boys Ladies conjures up (or maybe that's just me).

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Incidentally Golly. It's Grimsby Town Women FC. Much less sexist than 'Ladies' with its conotations of Victorian domesticity*


* Or chaps with grey moustaches in dresses proclaiming 'I'm a lady' that the name Louth Old Boys Ladies conjures up (or maybe that's just me).

Spot on KM. I did notice the use of “ladies” across this thread, but didn’t want to call it out myself. Another good example of unconscious sexism though.

And it’s funny how treating all people fairly and equally and not discriminating is “political correctness”. It’s not. It’s respecting all people equally. Basic good manners.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Spot on KM. I did notice the use of “ladies” across this thread, but didn’t want to call it out myself. Another good example of unconscious sexism though.

And it’s funny how treating all people fairly and equally and not discriminating is “political correctness”. It’s not. It’s respecting all people equally. Basic good manners.

So Golly are you actually aware that the person concerned has issues regarding the article ? Or have you just decided that they were but are not capable of registering their own displeasure and have decided to patronise them by being offended yourself ?  Perhaps the person concerned may be offended by your remarks !!!!

* Please note that no reference has been made to any specific gender or age in this post.

Quoted from Civvy at last

So Golly are you actually aware that the person concerned has issues regarding the article ? Or have you just decided that they were but are not capable of registering their own displeasure and have decided to patronise them by being offended yourself ?  Perhaps the person concerned may be offended by your remarks !!!!

* Please note that no reference has been made to any specific gender or age in this post.

I am not offended in the slightest. But that doesn't mean that it is wrong to call out sexism whether deliberate or unconscious. It shouldn't always be the victim or target of discrimination who has to call it out.

And your argument is daft. It's like saying if Raheem Sterling gets racially abused in Bulgaria he's the only one who can find it offensive.

Whether you want to admit it or not the OS would never call an individual player from the men's team a "boy" whether he was 16,17 or 38. It's patronising to women who play sport and plays to the suggestion that women are the weaker sex.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I am not offended in the slightest. But that doesn't mean that it is wrong to call out sexism whether deliberate or unconscious. It shouldn't always be the victim or target of discrimination who has to call it out.

And your argument is daft. It's like saying if Raheem Sterling gets racially abused in Bulgaria he's the only one who can find it offensive.

Whether you want to admit it or not the OS would never call an individual player from the men's team a "boy" whether he was 16,17 or 38. It's patronising to women who play sport and plays to the suggestion that women are the weaker sex.

Ok. So you’ve never heard of the ‘Youth’ team then. ???  

And in ‘physical ability’, generally speaking women are the weaker sex. Are you an advocate for all sports to be mixed then.

Let’s have a non gender Wimbledon competition should we. All in it as equals.
Sure some of the women wound progress. But let’s see the percentage of men to women in the last sixteen shall we ?  
Call me sexist but I know which side my monies on.  

And using the Stirling example is like comparing apples and oranges and sell you know it. I am offended by racism and by sexism. But quite frankly you are looking for it where it doesn’t exist and all you do is make things actually worse. I’m sure you have good intentions but that doesn’t make it right.  

I’d be very surprised if any offence was meant by use of the term ‘girl’ in the OS article. It often isn’t but it’s how it’s received that counts. Sometimes the person who is subject to bias (whether conscious or unconscious) is not in a comfortable position to call it out themselves. So there is an onus on other people to call it out when they see it. But then how the ‘calling out’ is done can also be a sensitive issue.

Personally I’m not sure ‘girl’ in this context is offensive. We do refer to ‘lads’ or ‘boys’ when we’re talking or singing about men’s teams. I’d be interested in any views from female footballers on the subject.

I agree with Golly in that political correctness is about good manners and sensitivity (I know I can be an insensitive git at times). Call it what you like, but it’s much better than political incorrectness.

I used to get offended when 'MAKE SOME NOISE FOR THE BOYS' appeared on the scoreboard in the 90s.