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Going to be a tough act to follow. They have delivered three trophies in three years.  If the Imps do well this season fans will put it all down to the Cowley's, if not the new boss will be branded a failure.

Smart move by the Cowleys to jump ship now, before Lincoln have had chance to have a serious dip. They leave with a pretty unblemished record. They might well end up back there if things don't work out for them at Huddersfield.
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Still think it's an odd appointment though. Huddersfield were in the Prem for the last two seasons and now they are managed by a pair that have managed less than a dozen games in L1, and a couple of seasons in L2.. I know they have a very good record in L2 and the Conference, but it still looks like a huge step up in class for them.
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Its a big no for Agent Hurst he already deep into his mission in guiding Scunny down the same path as Chesterfield with a back to back relegation.


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Who would you prefer Helgy?



Ainsworth ticks all the boxes for me ,was a legend here as a player & still well respected. We need to get over the ghost of the Cowley's happens to every club after a successful spell, Ipswich is like a memorial to Bobby Robson they absolutely live in the past in that respect honour the past but still don't live it.
Cowley's have lost 5 out of the past 6 games & go to a team in freefall 1 point all season ,it's toxic there and if results don't go their way straight away the pressure will be on.
Think although its set them up for life ,career wise its a massive gamble.
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Ainsworth ticks all the boxes for me ,was a legend here as a player & still well respected. We need to get over the ghost of the Cowley's happens to every club after a successful spell, Ipswich is like a memorial to Bobby Robson they absolutely live in the past in that respect honour the past but still don't live it.
Cowley's have lost 5 out of the past 6 games & go to a team in freefall 1 point all season ,it's toxic there and if results don't go their way straight away the pressure will be on.
Think although its set them up for life ,career wise its a massive gamble.


And if Wycombe still play the same way they did when we last played them he will be looking to get Matt Rhead back. Complete hoofball merchants, very anti ‘football’. I thought Lincoln were now tippy tappy!?
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Ainsworth ticks all the boxes for me ,was a legend here as a player & still well respected. We need to get over the ghost of the Cowley's happens to every club after a successful spell, Ipswich is like a memorial to Bobby Robson they absolutely live in the past in that respect honour the past but still don't live it.
Cowley's have lost 5 out of the past 6 games & go to a team in freefall 1 point all season ,it's toxic there and if results don't go their way straight away the pressure will be on.
Think although its set them up for life ,career wise its a massive gamble.


However, if it goes wrong for them then by just being sacked they'd be set up financially for life! On top of that, they'd walk back into a League 2 job (see Paul Hurst)!

Although, I do appreciate that money isn't everything...
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If this move do we sent work out, I think their record to date gives them another 2 decent opportunities before they join the merry go round.
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I know we have nearly talked this one to death but here's Gregor Robertson's take on the move. It is interesting as well because Town and Hurst get a mention.

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The rise of Danny Cowley, the new Huddersfield Town manager, and his brother and assistant Nicky, began in the Essex Senior League at Concord Rangers, who they ascended three tiers to the National League South with meagre resources. They led Braintree Town to the National League play-off semi-finals in 2016, taking the Grimsby Town team this columnist played for to extra time in the second leg with a group of players assembled on a quarter of our playing budget, armed with remarkable team spirit, organisation and endeavour.

They led Lincoln City to the National League and League Two titles and the club’s first visit to Wembley, where they lifted the EFL trophy, in 2018. A city was inspired by that remarkable voyage to the FA Cup quarter-final in 2017, which also gripped the nation. Crowds at Sincil Bank trebled.

In the last couple of years they resisted overtures from Ipswich Town, Nottingham Forest, West Bromwich Albion, Hull City and Sheffield Wednesday. But on Tuesday they finally agreed to take the next step in their burgeoning careers with Huddersfield, relegated from the Premier League last season, without a win in 17 games in all competitions and dumped out of the Carabao Cup last month by, erm, Lincoln.

So why now? The reasons for a manager wishing to test himself at a higher level are usually not that hard to decipher. Danny Cowley said at his unveiling on Tuesday that he didn’t want to “die wondering”. He has been given assurances about control over recruitment. And of course the financial rewards will be enormous for two men who were PE teachers at FitzWimarc school in Essex until little more than three years ago.

You would have to look pretty hard to find anyone who doesn’t think Huddersfield have made an astute appointment. But the same has been said for numerous predecessors and such moves for a lower-league manager by Championship clubs remain relatively rare.

As history shows, successfully bridging the gulf is no mean feat. Only three Championship clubs other than Huddersfield have managers or head coaches who joined from lower league clubs. The most recent was Grant McCann, the former Doncaster Rovers manager, who was poached by Hull City in the summer. While it is too early to gauge his chances on Humberside, Hull reside in 20th place with five points from their opening six games.

Nathan Jones, the highly rated former Luton Town manager, was lured away by Stoke City in January. In three seasons at Kenilworth Road the Welshman had lifted the club from the lower reaches of League Two to the verge of the Championship, scoring 301 goals in 170 games in the process, and leaving with the best win rate of any manager in Luton’s history. Stoke, however, are winless and languishing at the foot of the table and Jones will need to find his fourth league win since arriving at the club pretty soon.

The third is Lee Johnson, the Bristol City manager, who left Barnsley for Ashton Gate in 2016. He has endured fallow periods when the pressure has spiked, but a rare patience has proved well-founded and City, fifth in the Championship, are looking forward with optimism.

Dean Smith, the Aston Villa manager, who left Walsall for Brentford in 2015, was similarly blessed with an employer with long-term vision, but few lower-league managers are that fortunate. Looking further back over the past decade, there have been many more misses than hits. The tenures of Russell Slade (Leyton Orient to Cardiff City, 2014), Uwe Rosler (Brentford to Wigan, 2013), Dean Saunders (Doncaster to Wolves, 2013), Keith Hill (Rochdale to Barnsley, 2011) and Darren Ferguson (Peterborough to Preston, 2010) were shorter than two seasons and none are remembered particularly fondly.

Perhaps the closest parallel to the Cowleys, though, is Paul Hurst who, before his arrival at Ipswich Town last summer, also cut his teeth in non-League and in 2018 very nearly led Shrewsbury Town to League One promotion with one of the smallest budgets in the division. Defeat by Rotherham United in the League One play-off final in his first full season in Shropshire followed promotions with Grimsby Town, Boston United and Ilkeston Town during a decade-long journey towards a shot at the second tier. Hurst was sacked after just 14 games and the Ipswich crashed out of the Championship with a whimper last season.

Hurst, like Jones at Stoke, found a dissonant dressing room and the challenge of galvanising a group of millionaires smarting from relegation or exclusion from the team may not be as straightforward as engaging the naughty school children the Cowleys once taught and compared footballers to in Tuesday’s press conference.

Gary Rowett (Burton Albion to Birmingham City, 2014) has proved himself a capable manager at Championship level but would almost certainly agree. Since his spells in charge of Derby County and Stoke City, two clubs with hefty resources, expectation levels and egos within their ranks, the 45-year-old has spoken about life being easier when money was tight and the job simply about improving your players on the training ground.

The truth is that the most common route to success, and longevity, as a manager in the Championship is leading a club there yourself. Neil Harris, the Millwall manager, took the club up via the League One play-offs in 2017. Paul Cook, the Wigan manager who cut his teeth with Accrington Stanley, Chesterfield and Portsmouth, won automatic League One promotion with the Latics in 2018. Likewise, Lee Bowyer, the Charlton Athletic manager, won last season’s League One play-offs and is unbeaten in second this term.

Of course, Chris Wilder, the Sheffield United manager, went further still, taking Sheffield United from League One to the Premier League in the space of three seasons. Paul Lambert did the same at Norwich City with back-to-back promotions between 2009 and 2011.

Ascending to the second tier, though, with a team you built and your standing at a club firmly entrenched, is a very different dynamic. The Cowleys had that at Lincoln City, presently fifth in League One, where promotion this season was a realistic ambition.

Who knows, perhaps they will soon come to wonder if the grass was really greener?


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Good article. Thanks for posting it RRFC.

The fact you're taking money out of the Times is a bonus!


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