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Ah, that's another bunch of fans I have no sympathy for. They used to own the club but when some flash harry offered them a spin in his sports car and introduce them to Sven, they couldn't wait to drop their knickers and sell out.


We have had calls on the Fishy a few times for some sort of fan based buy out scheme and people have pointed to clubs doing it. How many still do it or have done a County? We saw Swansea also touted as the example of how to get a new ground and whizz through the leagues but they too ended up having to live within smaller means.Most such ventures end up with a leader who does not quite have enough cash to do it alone.



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Watch the situation in the Scottish non league game now that there is a way of getting into the SFL via the Lowland League.

Kelty Hearts, who sit second, have Barry Ferguson the ex Rangers captain and Scotland international with 45 caps as the manager, reputedly on £50k per annum. They have been buying up SFL players in an attempt to reach the SFL, and it can be done relatively cheaply compared to England.

We have a club in the league below us, who have won diddly squat in their long history, who are now paying three or four ex SFL players £500 per week. It's wholly unsustainable, but whilst it gives folk the opportunity to get some really cheap publicity at a relatively low cost, from which their business interests may benefit from it will only get worse.

I've seen two of our local rivals, Irvine Meadow and Kilwinning Rangers, both nearly go out of business in the last 20 years when they also bought success before going belly up. Difficult times all over the game. I wonder when a bank might tell a Premiership club, am sorry we want our money back? The sooner the better.


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Watch the situation in the Scottish non league game now that there is a way of getting into the SFL via the Lowland League.

Kelty Hearts, who sit second, have Barry Ferguson the ex Rangers captain and Scotland international with 45 caps as the manager, reputedly on £50k per annum. They have been buying up SFL players in an attempt to reach the SFL, and it can be done relatively cheaply compared to England.

We have a club in the league below us, who have won diddly squat in their long history, who are now paying three or four ex SFL players £500 per week. It's wholly unsustainable, but whilst it gives folk the opportunity to get some really cheap publicity at a relatively low cost, from which their business interests may benefit from it will only get worse.

I've seen two of our local rivals, Irvine Meadow and Kilwinning Rangers, both nearly go out of business in the last 20 years when they also bought success before going belly up. Difficult times all over the game. I wonder when a bank might tell a Premiership club, am sorry we want our money back? The sooner the better.


I remember when Boston United used to sign ex-Town players, before they got into the league. In those days though there was no promotion to Div 4 so they never had a chance to progress and it was just for the satisfaction of smashing every other non-league team out of sight plus some good cup runs.

When Boston did it again but for real promotion in 2003 the with the great Evans and Malkinson duo that got prosecuted for brown envelopes, it very nearly wrecked the club in the end. So I agree Jock, it is short term gain for long term pain.



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This summer we've signed:
James Hanson from a league above us, as a player with a very good track record too.
Matt Green from a Salford side chucking money at it, previously at Lincoln who aren't exactly short of a bob or two at the minute.
Moses Ogbu - a player we were reported to be willing to break the bank for in January but he opted for a spell in the Middle East (no doubt where he will have had a good wage)
Luke Waterfall from a league above us, also previously at Lincoln.

Add to that the two Swedish lads signed in January, neither of whom I imagine will have uprooted for nothing.

Of course you can see that we've probably offset an awful lot of that with a combination of ditching our previous high earners (Collins, Welsh, Thomas et al) and complimenting the squad with youth graduates.  But it does make you wonder...

With regards Bury, writing on the wall for so long.  As with Bolton I feel for the fans.  Yes they may have been aware of the fact they were paying over the odds, but it doesn't mean the fans aren't hurting.  At the heart of all this is people losing their jobs too.  It's not just the players, many of whom will get fixed up with other clubs.  It's the people in the back-office, the people maintaining the ground, the people who are the real heart and soul of these clubs.  People who will now struggle to pay their mortgages or rent, to put food on the table.  

Whilst all this was going on Sky Sports had a countdown ticker going until the 'deadline'.  Absolutely crass and a remarkable lack of respect for the larger issues.  Of course it's their flooding of the upper echelons of the game with wads of cash that has partly contributed to this whole situation at Bury, Bolton and many other clubs up and down the country.  If ever you were tempted to ditch you Sky subscription, that should just push you over the edge.



As regards our signings that you mentioned then I assume they will all have been accommodated within our playing budget and this is the crux of the whole situation. At least we appear to have a sensible playing budget and stick to it. It might not please some fans but we do seem to live within our means.


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Bolton taken over
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As regards our signings that you mentioned then I assume they will all have been accommodated within our playing budget and this is the crux of the whole situation. At least we appear to have a sensible playing budget and stick to it. It might not please some fans but we do seem to live within our means.


I like this squad. We have some good qualities and it’s a small group of players, many of who are comfortable playing in multiple positions. We have to give the Cowley’s some credit here, they’ve shown the way, Jolley has taken note, and going back to having 30+ players in your squad like we had when Slade replaced Bignot can never happen again.
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I see the lady that runs the EFL now thinks it's time to look at their criteria for when new owners apply to buy a club. Good to know that they are so proactive.
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Just seen her on tv-doesn't seem to know her aars from her elbow
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Bury were the first team we beat after that horrendous run, and there where 350 of us there to see Town win.

Seeing their fans pleading for help is tough to watch as you can see how much it means to them, I just hope they do get someone who can take them forward, best of luck Bury.


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Not wanting to play devils advocate to you once again KM, but it wasn't so many years ago that the fans of this club held a decent share stake (thanks to Mike Parker) but under the threat of the sale of the star striker, dropped their proverbial knickers and gave up the stake.  

I know it's different circumstances but both are a case of heart ruling the head?


I agree, it was a major fcuk up in our case too. And a severe case of the heart ruling the head*.

Never should have happened and I don't mind reminding people. 'I told you so.' Our case was probably only different in scale and degree. Different in degree because our Trust kept a significant stake. Different in scale because the prizes on offer were a lot, lot lower. Actually, to be fair to Fenty, he is a genuine fan too, unlike, Munto Finance (was it?) in County's case.

We should remember these cases as warnings

* I like to think on that occasion my heart and head were telling me the same thing. A natural aversion to emotional blackmail, and a cold consideration of the possible outcomes of the decision.


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