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GollyGTFC
August 28, 2019, 10:49am

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I feel for Paul Wilkinson, the only manager in history to lose his job without ever losing a game


Sam Allardyce as England manager?
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You can feel sorry for Bury fans (who are blameless) and still think it's the right decision. It's not fair on clubs like ours if other clubs are allow bills to be unpaid. Bury's owners have gambled and lost. That's life. What needs to happen is there needs to be a full and transparent and independent investigation into what went wrong with Bury to see whether rulkes could be changed to prevent this type of thing happening in the future.
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I feel for Paul Wilkinson, the only manager in history to lose his job without ever losing a game


Think Leroy Roseinior was asked within hours of being appointed.
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Very sad state of affairs. If Bolton follow next month, the precedent has been set so nice teams will be relegated from League 2.

Someone posted earlier in the week about how that allows teams (like Scunthorpe) to take a hit, play the kids and invest the money into next season's budget.

It will also have a detriment on gate receipts as many games after January will effectively be meaningless. Aside from the fact it rewards failure.

Give each league an extra promotion place or 2.
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Think Leroy Roseinior was asked within hours of being appointed.



Bloody hell, you and Golly, this place is full of clever fornicators today!

I note Jim White, Talksport's resident drama queen, is absolutely loving the Bury situation yet again today,


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Like I said in an earlier post, some people make a living out of buying failing businesses, stripping assets and closing them down. Nothing illegal or dodgy in that. Are these people automatically barred from buying a football club?


Fair point that. Though I think that very much depends on the situation at hand. No other businesses have the emotional attachment that Football (and other sporting clubs) have which means it is within a communities interest that they are not just asset stripped and closed down.

Bury were not a failing business before Day took them over. They were failing directly as a consequence of his actions. Dale then "tried to save the club" as he put it on numerous occasions.

A Bury fan posted on OneFootballForum that there were strong suspicions that Day needed Bury shutting down due to a potential fraud case that might be brought against him, destroying the evidence so to speak or something dramatic like that.

No idea if that had credibility but if you have followed the situation since Day first took over there certainly seems to be something rather darker going on than simply spending well beyond the clubs means in an attempt for glory.
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August 28, 2019, 11:03am

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Very sad state of affairs. If Bolton follow next month, the precedent has been set so nice teams will be relegated from League 2.

Someone posted earlier in the week about how that allows teams (like Scunthorpe) to take a hit, play the kids and invest the money into next season's budget.

It will also have a detriment on gate receipts as many games after January will effectively be meaningless. Aside from the fact it rewards failure.

Give each league an extra promotion place or 2.


Not going to happen.
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Bloody hell, you and Golly, this place is full of clever fornicators today!

I note Jim White, Talksport's resident drama queen, is absolutely loving the Bury situation yet again today,


I really dislike him and the whole team with their BS attitudes they are the problem and cretins like me who pay to watch it  
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You can feel sorry for Bury fans (who are blameless) and still think it's the right decision. It's not fair on clubs like ours if other clubs are allow bills to be unpaid. Bury's owners have gambled and lost. That's life. What needs to happen is there needs to be a full and transparent and independent investigation into what went wrong with Bury to see whether rulkes could be changed to prevent this type of thing happening in the future.


That seems reasonable but unfortunately every club is different. The common factors are simply a lack of cash and failure to manage the cash they do have. That is an internal problem like Bolton's. Bury has gone but the reasons are Bury's and Bolton's and cannot be applied to other clubs with the same overheads, same fan base etc. who are still solvent. There is no single answer to be found by investigating other than to see if there was anything illegal.

This is all from a malaise of the game and it comes from the top down. The selfish PL does not care a toss about the grass roots game and pays lip service to helping it. What is that huge parachute payment all about for instance? All it does is help a small number of big Championship clubs who dropped out of the PL. Meanwhile other EFL clubs think that spending big to get into the elite is the best way to survive. Vicious circle. Then those clubs, like Bolton, find that they have mismanaged the money in some way or other or turned to the wrong backer like Blackpool and Bury did.



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Then clubs find that they have turned to the wrong backer like Blackpool and Bury did.



Lets just hope that we don't join them! As far as I am concerned John Fenty can take as long as he likes to satisfy himself that whoever is buying our club is the right man / organisation



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