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mariner91
August 11, 2019, 10:17am
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Football is the best sport in the world because it's so quick and emotive at times. You can go from despair to jubilation in an instant. Goals are rare which is why they're celebrated more wildly than a wicket or a try or a winning shot in tennis.  Now you have to temper your reaction to a goal for a minute or two whilst they check to make sure the striker's foreskin wasn't in an offside position. It ruins the atmosphere by taking away the spontaneity which is one of the best bits of football.

I may be in the minority here but I love the human error side of the game. Town have been on the receiving end of horrendous decisions but they've also been the beneficiary of them as well. That's life. But it gives you talking points and helps the atmosphere at the game. Who didn't enjoy the increase in volume yesterday Ogbu's goal was ruled, admittedly correctly, offside? Football is a game played by humans for the entertainment of humans and it was absolutely fine for the 150 year it was played without VAR. VAR is shite.


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You are offside or you aren't....VAR gives assistance in determining that black and white decision..." if a part of the body you can score a goal with is beyond etc" ....VAR gives you virtually a 100% chance of accurately showing that.
Daylight "rule" as far as I am aware has never existed in the actual rules/laws so why people keep spouting that I don't know.
Other use of VAR can still be subjective so that causes confusion to me.

It's part of the game now so people who watch those games should take time to read the actual rules/guidelines and understand so they know what is happening and why ...might save on confusion.

Take that "backpass" yesterday when the Bradford defender played the ball back to the keeper with his knee....a good section of the crowd were screaming at the ref, the lino, the keeper for cheating !!

Also the new goal kick encroachment...the drop ball changes....if the ref interferes with the ball....have we all read up on those changes for this season ?


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“You’re either offside or not” - a truly mindbending revelation, great analysis and absolutely worth ruining the sport for.

I wouldn’t really care if we conceded a goal where the attacker was offside by a millimetre, maybe it’s because I’m a grown up. If we’re applying that level of scrutiny to decisions then why not throw-ins or incidents further back in play?

Football isn’t cricket or tennis, it’s a fluid game that could conceivably be played for 45 minutes without a single stoppage - unlike other sports that are a series of set plays.

The cranks, bores and moneymen have won.
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Quoted from mariner91
Football is the best sport in the world because it's so quick and emotive at times. You can go from despair to jubilation in an instant. Goals are rare which is why they're celebrated more wildly than a wicket or a try or a winning shot in tennis.  Now you have to temper your reaction to a goal for a minute or two whilst they check to make sure the striker's foreskin wasn't in an offside position. It ruins the atmosphere by taking away the spontaneity which is one of the best bits of football.

I may be in the minority here but I love the human error side of the game. Town have been on the receiving end of horrendous decisions but they've also been the beneficiary of them as well. That's life. But it gives you talking points and helps the atmosphere at the game. Who didn't enjoy the increase in volume yesterday Ogbu's goal was ruled, admittedly correctly, offside? Football is a game played by humans for the entertainment of humans and it was absolutely fine for the 150 year it was played without VAR. VAR is shite.


Spot on. VAR is for kids’ PlayStation games.

But it is NEW so it must be GOOD.

The PL will not be the same. The game at that level will become a franchised family popcorn event with play sporadically interfering with the online betting. Money talks.


“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
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It is not VAR that's the problem its the offside rule,

They did bring the clear daylight rule in for a period Moosey but went back to the old rule,

Offside is there to stop an attacker getting on unfair advantage but having a toe or elbow offside is not really an advantage is it ?

I watched the game live and the West Ham fans cheered when one of the goals was decided by VAR to be offside in fact that was the biggest cheer of the day.

The most important thing to me was all the pulling/pushing shirt holding in the penalty area that went unpunished so if VAR stops that and it seems to have at the moment it can only be a good thing.

Things will change for the better and decisions will be made quicker they just have to decide what is worth holding play up for and what isn't.


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Quoted from moosey_club
You are offside or you aren't....VAR gives assistance in determining that black and white decision..." if a part of the body you can score a goal with is beyond etc" ....VAR gives you virtually a 100% chance of accurately showing that.
Daylight "rule" as far as I am aware has never existed in the actual rules/laws so why people keep spouting that I don't know.
Other use of VAR can still be subjective so that causes confusion to me.

It's part of the game now so people who watch those games should take time to read the actual rules/guidelines and understand so they know what is happening and why ...might save on confusion.

Take that "backpass" yesterday when the Bradford defender played the ball back to the keeper with his knee....a good section of the crowd were screaming at the ref, the lino, the keeper for cheating !!

Also the new goal kick encroachment...the drop ball changes....if the ref interferes with the ball....have we all read up on those changes for this season ?


A few years ago linesmen were instructed not to flag for offside if there was 'daylight' between the attacker and defender.

It is ridiculous to say that someone's shoulder is offside. It would be better if the rule was a player is onside if any part of his body is in line with the last defender.
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Quoted from grimsby pete
It is not VAR that's the problem its the offside rule,

They did bring the clear daylight rule in for a period Moosey but went back to the old rule,

[b]Offside is there to stop an attacker getting on unfair advantage but having a toe or elbow offside is not really an advantage is it ?[b]


Things will change for the better and decisions will be made quicker they just have to decide what is worth holding play up for and what isn't.


If that toe scores then clearly it is. 😀


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It is ridiculous to say that someone's shoulder is offside. It would be better if the rule was a player is onside if any part of his body is in line with the last defender.


So if a toe on his back foot was the only part of his body in line with the defender he has effectively gained a yards advantage but would still be onside under that rule?


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Of course we could do away with it all if we all played like gentlemen and put our hands up to any fouls we committed, when the ball crossed the line and we didn't fake any contact.


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So if a toe on his back foot was the only part of his body in line with the defender he has effectively gained a yards advantage but would still be onside under that rule?


“Well if you’re onside, you’re onside”


Can you not see how ridiculous your own argument is now?
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