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MarinerRob
July 27, 2019, 10:54am
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A great article by Gregor Robertson in the Times highlights the dangers of clubs living beyond your means.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/art.....es-nothing-h0nvnn89d
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July 27, 2019, 11:01am

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Looks like I have to subscribe to read the full article ?


When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
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Sorry about that. I was able to read it in full the first time I saw it. The following is the link from the Facebook page.
https://t.co/3d9SCoEVFF?fbclid=IwAR3_rmFvi9hNbJbYlldBuQ7Qy9dtpc0HUrV5ljF1JQFevT0IDosa1qPb5lk
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It is frightening to read how hand to mouth the game now is even at the supposedly higher levels. But there will always be those who want to try and live beyond their means and think that every promotion equals salvation.

Take our club. If we do well we get decent gates and we may go up. In L1 we start with decent gates but unless we are challenging again for the playoffs at least, the gates will go down and life becomes a struggle against the drop ...... even if you have a bankroller. Lower gates than the promotion year in the league below but higher wages. Ask them down the road at Glanford Park.

If by some mackerel we got promoted to the Championship the issue is the same but worse. The risks are even greater, the fall is even further. But we have to try don't we?


“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”
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Thank G. for J.S.F.
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Great article, thanks for the link. Robertson writes a very good column in the Times every Monday, always worth a read
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Thank G. for J.S.F.


Exactly we would have missed out on such great managers like Mike Newell and Russell Slade MK2 and also missed out on possibly our greatest ever seasons in the Conference.
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To be fair were we not living beyond our means in the last Division One years? Zhang on 11k etc etc.

Think most clubs over the years have a few years of boom then bust, just now the boom and bust are on a monumental scale.
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July 28, 2019, 6:49pm
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It is frightening to read how hand to mouth the game now is even at the supposedly higher levels. But there will always be those who want to try and live beyond their means and think that every promotion equals salvation.

Take our club. If we do well we get decent gates and we may go up. In L1 we start with decent gates but unless we are challenging again for the playoffs at least, the gates will go down and life becomes a struggle against the drop ...... even if you have a bankroller. Lower gates than the promotion year in the league below but higher wages. Ask them down the road at Glanford Park.

If by some mackerel we got promoted to the Championship the issue is the same but worse. The risks are even greater, the fall is even further. But we have to try don't we?


if that was an intentional fish pun ...... hats of to you.


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if that was an intentional fish pun ...... hats of to you.


I thought the same! Mind you, would it being UNintentional be even better?!
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I thought the same! Mind you, would it being UNintentional be even better?!


Sorry to disappoint. When I had enough on top for a mullet our house was always a plaice for fish puns, we were often floundering and it was the only thing that kept us seine.



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Sorry to disappoint. When I had enough on top for a mullet our house was always a plaice for fish puns, we were often floundering and it was the only thing that kept us seine.



you cod'nt make it up


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Bury have had their first game of the season suspended. Think the end is nigh for them.




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I went onto MK Dons forum just to see what there reaction is and not sure how true this is but it doesn't look good.

As it stands:

-only 6 first team players
-nobody paid for months
-no pre-season fixtures
-a new manager who has only managed in non-league
-notice to leave their training ground by October
-no new kit
-lots of their fans apparently asking for ST refunds


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I went onto MK Dons forum just to see what there reaction is and not sure how true this is but it doesn't look good.

As it stands:

-only 6 first team players
-nobody paid for months
-no pre-season fixtures
-a new manager who has only managed in non-league
-notice to leave their training ground by October
-no new kit
-lots of their fans apparently asking for ST refunds


Are MK Dons in financial trouble?

Oh sodomist, I see you mean Bury now. Oh well never mind.


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I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
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Oh that is good news!

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/central-and-east/mixed-year-for-stadium-mk-group

How, turnover going down and losses more than doubling is a 'mixed year' I'll never know.


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July 30, 2019, 9:21pm

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Are MK Dons in financial trouble?

Oh sodomist, I see you mean Bury now. Oh well never mind.


yeah sorry KM can understand the confusion my bad.  Yeah it was referring to Bury as they was going to play them.


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Sorry to disappoint. When I had enough on top for a mullet our house was always a plaice for fish puns, we were often floundering and it was the only thing that kept us seine.



You're obviously a dab hand at this kind of thing then?


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Oh that is good news!

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/central-and-east/mixed-year-for-stadium-mk-group

How, turnover going down and losses more than doubling is a 'mixed year' I'll never know.


Part bad and part fcking awful ......
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RRFC, I have haddock enough of your fish puns.  You pollock.
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To be fair were we not living beyond our means in the last Division One years? Zhang on 11k etc etc.

Think most clubs over the years have a few years of boom then bust, just now the boom and bust are on a monumental scale.


We were  living in our means, but the means changed. That’s very much the danger.


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yeah sorry KM can understand the confusion my bad.  Yeah it was referring to Bury as they was going to play them.


Mine too. I was hoping it was NK Dongs in trouble. They are, but not as much as Bury.


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