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July 13, 2019, 11:20am
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Don't forget we only got Bennett because Ipswich did not think he was good enough,

Where are they now  ?    


In league 1.. the league above us...still...
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Right okay, stand corrected. đź‘Ť


No worries mate.

We'll probably end up with no more than 20k for developing Burrell. If we were getting 100k once a season for a youngster and others made it into our first team squad to hopefully boost their value to far more than 100k, then that would be a fine business model, but in reality bigger teams can pick off our youngsters for peanuts like Boro did and it looks like Forest could well do. They can stockpile all the players they want just in case one makes it to being a Championship player. If not, they can offload the players down the leagues again. The Championship clubs don't suffer, it's peanuts for them, the discarded players will probably land back into League One, League Two or the Conference, so they won't suffer, it's just clubs like ours who'll suffer by not improving our first team through youth policy and by not cashing in on their full worth after completing their professional development with first team football. There's a huge difference between getting 15/20k and 100k for Burrell in a lot of ways..
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I think there’s so many variables when it comes to young players coming through academies. Some players look like world beaters at 16/17 but by 19/20 they’ve not developed or even regressed. I suppose it’s a bit of guess work to the untrained eyes like us or spotting minor characteristics in them for scouts or coaches that indicate wether they will progress or not.

For a selling club like ours it’s about maximising your assets. If players like Jock Curran or Rumarn Burrell stayed with us then then maybe after another year they will have broken into the first team and really developed to the point where they could be worth 10 times the amount we actually got for them, like Ryan Bennett or John Oster. On the other hand they might spend the year playing reserve football and not develop and end up released and at somewhere like Clee Town like Josh Venney or Caine Winfarrah. Looking back now with hindsight, would we have taken £100k for either of them? Of course, but on the flip would we have taken that for Bennett or Oster? Not a chance. It’s a gamble though, and with the likes of Clifton, Wright, Battersby, Pollock, Buckley and Rose all with the first team now as well as cash raised from young players who essentially only cost us a weekly YT wage then I’d say it’s going pretty well.


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I think there’s so many variables when it comes to young players coming through academies. Some players look like world beaters at 16/17 but by 19/20 they’ve not developed or even regressed. I suppose it’s a bit of guess work to the untrained eyes like us or spotting minor characteristics in them for scouts or coaches that indicate wether they will progress or not.

For a selling club like ours it’s about maximising your assets. If players like Jock Curran or Rumarn Burrell stayed with us then then maybe after another year they will have broken into the first team and really developed to the point where they could be worth 10 times the amount we actually got for them, like Ryan Bennett or John Oster. On the other hand they might spend the year playing reserve football and not develop and end up released and at somewhere like Clee Town like Josh Venney or Caine Winfarrah. Looking back now with hindsight, would we have taken £100k for either of them? Of course, but on the flip would we have taken that for Bennett or Oster? Not a chance. It’s a gamble though, and with the likes of Clifton, Wright, Battersby, Pollock, Buckley and Rose all with the first team now as well as cash raised from young players who essentially only cost us a weekly YT wage then I’d say it’s going pretty well.



There is truth there Jim about maximising assets. I know we keep on about investing but the expenditure on a youth set up can be very high and there are no guarantees. You can be lucky and get 2 or 3 good enough for the first team or unlucky and get none out of a cohort of 2 years junior contracts. Times have changed from the Drinkell/Ford/Moore days too. The money on offer for young kids is far greater now. Who wouldn’t be tempted to have a go at the City Ground for a year or two? In this case the lad’s dad is an ex-pro with a list of clubs longer than a grand slam bridge hand so you can imagine the advice he gets.




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July 13, 2019, 3:19pm
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I’m old enough to remember Croft playing for Town as a youngster but not quite enough to remember the details. I’d always assumed he was a product of our youth system - where had he been prior to that?


Port Vale I believe. Think he came to us on a YTS deal. Happy to be corrected.Think Peter Handyside came at a similar age but not sure where he'd been previously. What a classy pair of defenders before playing out from the back was fashionable!
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No worries mate.

We'll probably end up with no more than 20k for developing Burrell. If we were getting 100k once a season for a youngster and others made it into our first team squad to hopefully boost their value to far more than 100k, then that would be a fine business model, but in reality bigger teams can pick off our youngsters for peanuts like Boro did and it looks like Forest could well do. They can stockpile all the players they want just in case one makes it to being a Championship player. If not, they can offload the players down the leagues again. The Championship clubs don't suffer, it's peanuts for them, the discarded players will probably land back into League One, League Two or the Conference, so they won't suffer, it's just clubs like ours who'll suffer by not improving our first team through youth policy and by not cashing in on their full worth after completing their professional development with first team football. There's a huge difference between getting 15/20k and 100k for Burrell in a lot of ways..


Completely agree apart from the bit in bold. Players who could have made 100+ appearance before the age of 20 end up making one or two substitute appearances in the league cup. Players must be aware of this but maybe the lure of a big club and the money is too much to turn down.
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Quoted from jamesgtfc
We only got ripped off with Bennett when Barry Fry renegotiated the sell on clause.


He tried to renegotiate the sell on clause, offered something like ÂŁ20k to get rid of it, but fortunately Fenty didn't take him up on it

edit: bloody spellcheck


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Quoted from scrumble


He tried renegotiate the seem on clause, offered something like ÂŁ20k to get rid of it, but fortunately Fenty didn't take him up on it


Yes, it seems to be widely believed that fatty Fry's attempts were successful for some reason. (I'm fairly sure the sell on showed in the 11-12 accounts?)


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Whether we get a fee, whether it proves enough or not in the long term we can only wait and see....my bigger worry is that this is the second of the more fancied players in our youth/ yt progamme to be sold on.....i thought Jolley would be keen to bring these through and develop them with his background and the recent opportunities given to other youngsters....disappointing for me and hopefully not a trend that will continue.



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Regardless of the frustration of the current ease for bigger clubs to cherry pick youth players, the interest alone is another feather in the cap for Neil Woods and all his staff in the youth set-up.  They seem to be developing a nice little reputation as a bit of a finishing school for 16-18 year olds.

Curran has impressed me more with each occasion I've seen him. But he still seems a way off the finished article. It's more his rate of improvement than his present ability that impresses me.    

We stlll have a smallish squad that lacks experienced depth. I don't think we'll be making too many more signings so there should be plenty of opportunities for these young lads..

Be bloody brilliant if there was a point in the season where we had Pollock, Curran, Clifton, Buckley, Wright and Rose all on the pitch at the same time. Maybe even Battersby too.
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