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Rick12
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We never competed when we were in old Div Two Rick. Sufficient money never came through the turnstiles with gates the size they were. The only way to do it is to be a selling club plus have reasonably wealthy backers. We can do the first part, develop and sell on youngsters but as you say, who would back us?
I'll always be Grimsby though no matter what league were in.Difficult though sometimes when you realise we were once a old first division side(now premiership).



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Quite honestly i dont care....if i felt i was a valued supporter watching my team competing at whatever level we were at with some entertainment and something to genuinely make me cheer and get excited i would be happy.

Would add...for too long now i have hardly felt any affinity to the team, yes i support them, suffer the lows and get off on the highs but apart from Macca and Clifton of the current crop i hardly feel a jot for any of them.....footballers playing 4/5/10 seasons for you is a rarity nowadays but seemed the norm when i started following Town. Players like Wainman, Batch, Stone, Brolly all stayed local after they finished and i had them up on preverbial pedestals.....closest we have come to anyone of that ilk in the last 10 yrs is Disley.

I want that feeling back as well.


Spot on.



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We never competed when we were in old Div Two Rick. Sufficient money never came through the turnstiles with gates the size they were. The only way to do it is to be a selling club plus have reasonably wealthy backers. We can do the first part, develop and sell on youngsters but as you say, who would back us?


We did one season I remember going to Ipswich towards the back end of the season and we were 5th or 6th  and remember saying to the son in law we are not used to this we are normally near the bottom at this time of the season.


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Once we have a new stadium and a new owner where do you want us to be ?

I can not see us paying our way with  12,000 max crowds  being a championship club well not for more than a season or two,

I will be happy with us being mid to top half L1 one club and the odd good cup run , I would rather have that than put ourselves in debt to whoever and overstretching  ending up in the position we are in now,

Some will say well Bournemouth have managed to be a prem team and are holding their own but that would be a miracle if we could do it unless Michael Jolley can prove me wrong.

So what are your expectations ? Like I said winning more games than losing would be good and halfway up L1 is our level imo.

Plus having  good facilities  to enjoy a match day along side entertaining football good food and drink is what life is all about.



That's pretty much how I see things. To be an established League 1 side and good cup runs would be the ideal scenario in my eyes. By all means strive for promotion to the Championship but if it happens then just enjoy the experience and look upon it as an adventure. Don't lose sight of what the club can and cannot afford based on possible gates and other incomes. The last two sojourns at Championship level have shown that the home element of the gates at BP ( or wherever we are playing ) is not likely to exceed 7,000 , which doesn't make us that competitive financially compared to most of the teams at that level.


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I’d like to be competitive in L2 but I doubt we will be for a bit TBH.

The reality is L1 is a distant dream the league above that is impossible for us to reach in our current form.


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I just hope we can hang on to our league status long enough for the new stadium to be built, more revenue and all that.

I would class that as success under the present regime.


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I think we have the potential to be a bit like Barnsley or Peterborough, hovering between the Championship and League 1.


Sorry but I don't.. Mid table league one at very best.. Id be happy with top end of league 2 (ie play offs, been a while since we went to Wembley)
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I just hope we can hang on to our league status long enough for the new stadium to be built, more revenue and all that.

I would class that as success under the present regime.


Agree completely but I doubt it will happen under the current regime. JSF has caused himself a massive problem as he's been clear that a new stadium will be some form of joint venture with a home builder, developer, hotelier, retailer etc...in the next breath however he's telling us he wants away what would that say to any new venture Partners?

Despoite having a solid hardcore of 3,000ish fans there is a general apathy for GTFC in the surrounding area and this means that if we did have a new ground we'd never fill it week in week out.

As a club our view used to be upwards now however we just look over our shoulder to try and ensure that the wolf of relegation to the abyss does not catch up with us and bite us in the @rse.

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We did one season I remember going to Ipswich towards the back end of the season and we were 5th or 6th  and remember saying to the son in law we are not used to this we are normally near the bottom at this time of the season.


Yes I remember that Pete.

That was the season when the Ramsdens put cash in to the club though. We signed Chris Nichol as player/assistant, we had quality from the lads who had come through, we signed Paul So we had a mid table budget at least for a year or two until the Ramsdens stopped and Lyons came.

I was reading this morning about Steve Clarke at Kilmarnock who has got them into 3rd place this year on a total budget of less than £2m. Last year they were 5th. All done with frees and loans and clever management of contracts and some coaching nous. That is the sort of over-achiement we need to show to attract players to the club.



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Yes I remember that Pete.

That was the season when the Ramsdens put cash in to the club though. We signed Chris Nichol as player/assistant, we had quality from the lads who had come through, we signed Paul So we had a mid table budget at least for a year or two until the Ramsdens stopped and Lyons came.

I was reading this morning about Steve Clarke at Kilmarnock who has got them into 3rd place this year on a total budget of less than £2m. Last year they were 5th. All done with frees and loans and clever management of contracts and some coaching nous. That is the sort of over-achiement we need to show to attract players to the club.



You only achieve that with time though. Growing up, my first real memories are from after 1998 so, 2006 aside, the Conference years made a refreshing change in the sense that we won more than we lost and the hope from August lasted much longer.

My favourite games growing up were the big Championship games (Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth etc) so I would love us to return to that level. Without hundreds of millions I we couldn't sustain ourselves at that level but we can certainly aspire to sustain ourselves as a League One club with the occasional Championship spell.

Andy Holt said it right the other day when he said League One survival means Accrington are guaranteed league football for 2 seasons. Essentially promotion to League One would give us more of a safety net.
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