New stadium...political will?

Mr Fenty stated a couple of months back that there needed to be political will from NE Lincs Council to build a stadium on Freemo.

On the basis that he’s part of the ruling group as of yesterday, (and allegedly going to be Deputy Leader), does that make the political will more likely?

I expect we won't hear another word. He's lost another convenient excuse now.

Quite simply, there isn't enough money, there never has been and there never has been a business case, with the possible exception of Great Coates when it was first rejected by the council.

Nope, as nobody can say where the money “WILL” come from to build the thing.

Also worth noting teams 17th in league 2 don’t tend to have the finances to build new stadiums especially when they have a despot at the helm ☹️

No spade will be “dug into turf” this decade or the next IMHO.

Depends if he has more to gain by building it on PP

If I was the club, I would invite a few different Councillors each week down to Blundell Park as guests next season. I bet there's quite a few that have never been and experienced a game before.  I doubt the likes of Ian Barfield would accept, maybe a few more will actually realise how much it means to people of Grimsby and the surrounding area, that nothing else in North East Lincolnshire brings so many people together in one place at any time of the year except for maybe Armed Forces Day.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Depends if he has more to gain by building it on PP

Still doesn't explain where the club would get the money from. There's no way any developer is going to make an extra £20m in profit from that site which it will give to the club. So the club would still be in hock for several million. Unless someone can show realistic projections of the extra revenue it will make (rather than vague statements about 'conferencing', or 'community facilities') it's just a pipedream. If the person proposing this scheme in the first place had ever shown an ounce of vision, and delivered on it, in running the club, it might have a bit of credibility.

I don't think political will could do anything to bring us a new stadium, regardless of the party involved. We (both the club and the town), don't have a pot to urine in and wishful thinking isn't going to cut it.

The only way I can see it happening is if I (or anyone other Town fan as stupid as me) win the Euromillions when it’s the £180m jackpot and give practically all of it to the club to build a new stadium. That’s the facts I fear.

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The only way I can see it happening is if I (or anyone other Town fan as stupid as me) win the Euromillions when it’s the £180m jackpot and give practically all of it to the club to build a new stadium. That’s the facts I fear.

If I won £180 million I'd be straight on it that's for sure!  

Chance would be a fine thing  

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

If I was the club, I would invite a few different Councillors each week down to Blundell Park as guests next season. I bet there's quite a few that have never been and experienced a game before.  I doubt the likes of Ian Barfield would accept, maybe a few more will actually realise how much it means to people of Grimsby and the surrounding area, that nothing else in North East Lincolnshire brings so many people together in one place at any time of the year except for maybe Armed Forces Day.

4000 there today......hardly a resounding  voice of Gy/Clee or even NE Lincs.

probabaly about 2% of the electorate (?) .....hardly worth a politicians time and effort unfortunately.

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4000 there today......hardly a resounding  voice of Gy/Clee or even NE Lincs.

probabaly about 2% of the electorate (?) .....hardly worth a politicians time and effort unfortunately.

The gates show how football attendance has fallen since I first went, 1970, in those days it was roughly 8-10% of a town's population, now its less then 5. Yet up in the premiership nearly every game is a sell out.

Quoted from moosey_club

4000 there today......hardly a resounding  voice of Gy/Clee or even NE Lincs.

probabaly about 2% of the electorate (?) .....hardly worth a politicians time and effort unfortunately.

I don't know. If the figure of 27% bandied about on here for the local turnout, 2% is worth chasing.

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Preferred option is a great way of basically saying 'We acknowledge that there's an appetite for this within the local population....so we're going to sort of support it but sodomist off if you think we're going to commit to anything'.

If they actually wanted it at Freemo and believed it in they would say so quite categorically.  

You are absolutely right, except it removes any possibility that Fenty can say Freemo isn't his preferred location, as the council is now made up of his party, and is a council he is apparently going to hold a senior position in. So it kind of suggests that if anything is going to happen, it will be there.

As you say, however, that doesn't mean anything will actually happen.

I will say this as I live in Grimsby so hear what other folk say .I think a huge % of people living here want to see this development happen in Freemo specifically and many of those are non football fans fed up with the deteriation of that area?

I don`t know if it`s the right location commercially for the Football Club but it`s certainly right for OUR Town and the people of the Town. The Council sound like they are on board and going back 10 or so year`s the much maligned Councillor De Freitas (Lib Dem) stood on my doorstep and said he would back it down Freemo. Roy Oxby (Lab) said the same in the papers and now Conservatives saying the same. Just get on with it please FFS

Freemo like Brexit. the public vote means intercourse all really, they just say yes its lovely but we dont like so sod off.

It will come down to finance. If the money is right and it is affordable then it will be the right location. At the end of the day it has to be paid for.

Scunny can do it, Chesterfield can do it, Donny can do it even fookin York can do it https://www.yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk/club/community-stadium

but Grimsby Town cant do it.
Fookin embarrassing, no wonder were the tin pot of Lincolnshire.

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Scunny can do it, Chesterfield can do it, Donny can do it even fookin York can do it https://www.yorkcityfootballclub.co.uk/club/community-stadium

but Grimsby Town cant do it.
Fookin embarrassing, no wonder were the tin pot of Lincolnshire.

The link you supplied was for York City and if you read the details this is more down to York City Council than anything else. The new ground is for both the football club and rugby club. It also includes leisure facilities including a swimming pool. N.E Lincs Council already have these kind of facilities but have been very short-sighted in not including the recent replacement of the swimming pool in a community based complex that could have include a community stadium for GTFC. The main advantage that York Council seem to have is a forward thinking approach whereas NE Lincs is very backward or static at best.

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The link you supplied was for York City and if you read the details this is more down to York City Council than anything else. The new ground is for both the football club and rugby club. It also includes leisure facilities including a swimming pool. N.E Lincs Council already have these kind of facilities but have been very short-sighted in not including the recent replacement of the swimming pool in a community based complex that could have include a community stadium for GTFC. The main advantage that York Council seem to have is a forward thinking approach whereas NE Lincs is very backward or static at best.

Agree with that and in the event of a community stadium a swimming pool at the same location would be a major asset .The East Marsh is crying out for something like a leisure centre in that area it`s a pretty huge catchment area.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Agree with that and in the event of a community stadium a swimming pool at the same location would be a major asset .The East Marsh is crying out for something like a leisure centre in that area it`s a pretty huge catchment area.

The problem is that I can't see any NE Lincs Council , in the foreseeable future,  building that kind of facility when we have two comparatively new and recently refurbished leisure centres plus a new swimming pool in the borough.

As I understand Grimsby council put THEMSELVES up for the best council in England-in my experience I think they have got one word wrong. Whatever party is in all they do is blame Central government for their own poor management of everything they try to do [expect red x's from Barralad]. Wherever the new stadium is situated it will be an excuse to put up Council Tax

And York City council will have bags of cash in comparison to us. It is one of the wealthiest cities in the country, and will be coining it in as one of the prime tourist destinations in the UK. The business rates they will be able to charge to the multitude of shops, pubs and restaurants will dwarf the amount that we can generate from our town centres.

All councils are having the funding from central government slashed. Places such as York can generate revenue to replace this relatively easily whereas we haven't got a chance.

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The problem is that I can't see any NE Lincs Council , in the foreseeable future,  building that kind of facility when we have two comparatively new and recently refurbished leisure centres plus a new swimming pool in the borough.

I think you are very probably correct and goodness klnows how they work these things out but neither leisure centre is anywhere near the East Marsh.As kids growing up we always went to Scartho Baths being easily the nearest yet still a fair old hike.

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I think you are very probably correct and goodness klnows how they work these things out but neither leisure centre is anywhere near the East Marsh.As kids growing up we always went to Scartho Baths being easily the nearest yet still a fair old hike.

The sad thing is that since I took any interest in local politics ( 50 years ago ) there seems to have been no long term objectives or plans produced by any of the councils, that have been followed up. Regardless of political bias every council seems to have done development " piecemeal " with no long term strategies.

You have to look at what can evolve from a stadium being built . In the case of Scunny and more recently Derby I have visited the stadium`s when newly built with Town and when year`s later I have returned shops and eateries have sprung up all around the newly built ground. Scunny I think im right in saying were trying to relocate yet again because retail wanted the space and they could get top dollar?
Freshney Place was an award winning precinct 20 or so year`s ago and for the size of the Town it was a really good shopping centre . The thing it never had and what ultimately led to the start of it`s decline was a decent variety of food outlets for shoppers . Then as we know retail has taken a right hammering and everything seems to be going downhill on that front. However these things tend to move in cycles and yes at the minute the internet is king but I would argue a Freemo development is the right thing in the right place. The timing is key and I think retail is due a big fightback in the next few year`s and as discussed you add leisure to that people will naturally be attracted to the area. This is the classic case of build it and they WILL come.

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The sad thing is that since I took any interest in local politics ( 50 years ago ) there seems to have been no long term objectives or plans produced by any of the councils, that have been followed up. Regardless of political bias every council seems to have done development " piecemeal " with no long term strategies.

They are obsessed with building houses allover the place and sadly most of the building taking place is on the outskirts of the Town`s boundaries due to nobody wanting to live in the town centre.