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MuddyWaters
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From what we had at the beginning of the season, he's got two loanees to replace plus Rose, Thomas, Welsh and a left back (two went, Ring came in). In addition, there's any that are released and he has added 5 youth who will surely not be on big money. Whitehouse will be like a new signing but I'm guessing there's room for 5/6 more plus loans.
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What I would be interested to know is how the budget for next season compares with this season.

If it's there or thereabouts I would expect the departures of Welsh and Thomas to accommodate the signing of at least two established players, possibly a midfielder and a striker.    The new lads coming up from the youth team will take a wage but I can't imagine even collectively they'll break the bank.  Hooper will no doubt  be leaving and then there's any potential departure of Collins, Whitmore, Davis, RHJ... Even with two departing you've got enough of a wage to bring in another established player.  

We'll never know the budget details but I've got a horrible feeling that the budget will be absolutely jaff all. Hope I'm wrong on that one.


He gets 1,000,000 a year to cover everything I would imagine that this includes maintenance, travel etc too...
^fact from board-member.
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This whole thread is the start of convincing ourselves that by July we will be world beaters. Only to have a first game like Forest Green and smash our illusions.


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Agree with Butty. Jarmo, he still hasn't gone to the lower leagues in search of any value gems - Hurst did. Yes only 1/2 of his gambles payed off, but the likes of Kayden Jackson having great seasons after proved that even when it didn't work out at GTFC he still had a great eye for a player.


How do you know he hasn’t? Plus we’re investing in our youth.


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He gets 1,000,000 a year to cover everything I would imagine that this includes maintenance, travel etc too...
^fact from board-member.


Total employment costs last season were £2.6m. Admittedly that covers all management, admin and grounds staff as well as players, but I'd be very surprised if non-playing staff were over 60%.


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How do you know he hasn’t? Plus we’re investing in our youth.


Yeah I think that's an unfair stick to beat Jolley with.

Last summer he had a gamble on Louis Robles who was very much in that rough diamond category.  It didn't work out but he had a go at it and I can't imagine it was the most expensive gamble.   He's also brought in two Swedish players who are new to this league and indeed country.  

The traditional route of finding non-league players, signing them cheap, developing them and selling them for a big profit is great and I was disappointed to see us abandon it so quickly a few years back.  But the problem is that everyone is on this gravy train now.  As a result the price of the non-league players and indeed their wage demands are greater.  

There's more than one way to build something.  The foreign market, the non-league scene, our youth set-up, players from a higher level with a point to prove or players released from academies, there's plenty of options out there for us.
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There's more than one way to build something.  The foreign market, the non-league scene, our youth set-up, players from a higher level with a point to prove or players released from academies, there's plenty of options out there for us.


If it was that simple every club would be doing it though.
We got lucky with Bogle. Some clubs have been luckier and others less so. If we are looking at a non-league potential diamond you can be certain other clubs will be as well.  And it comes down to the same old thing. What can we offer that other clubs can’t?? The answer unfortunately is ‘not a lot’.  There is no ‘quick fix’ as much as we would love one.  I love the fact that the youth set up seems to be productive. I just hope the finances they save are channeled back into the budget.  


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If it was that simple every club would be doing it though.
We got lucky with Bogle. Some clubs have been luckier and others less so. If we are looking at a non-league potential diamond you can be certain other clubs will be as well.  And it comes down to the same old thing. What can we offer that other clubs can’t?? The answer unfortunately is ‘not a lot’.  There is no ‘quick fix’ as much as we would love one.  I love the fact that the youth set up seems to be productive. I just hope the finances they save are channeled back into the budget.  


Vardy signed from lower leagues by Neil Aspin for Halifax for £15000 when he was about a year older than Max Wright. A rare and oft quoted example of picking up rough diamonds. Aspin had tracked him for some time. How extensive is our scouting and who might be tracking our own talent? It does seem that Jolley is protecting our assets by doling out contracts and reducing highlights of reserve and youth games on the OS.
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This whole thread is the start of convincing ourselves that by July we will be world beaters. Only to have a first game like Forest Green and smash our illusions.


Forest green are a great example of how to play football and get results.

Tore us apart here, and look at them now, as much as many hate the club, and the background, they have done very very well on the pitch
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Quoted from diehardmariner
What I would be interested to know is how the budget for next season compares with this season.

If it's there or thereabouts I would expect the departures of Welsh and Thomas to accommodate the signing of at least two established players, possibly a midfielder and a striker.    The new lads coming up from the youth team will take a wage but I can't imagine even collectively they'll break the bank.  Hooper will no doubt  be leaving and then there's any potential departure of Collins, Whitmore, Davis, RHJ... Even with two departing you've got enough of a wage to bring in another established player.  

We'll never know the budget details but I've got a horrible feeling that the budget will be absolutely jaff all. Hope I'm wrong on that one.


I have an inkling that once again it's going to be " competitive "  
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