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Some good journalism recently in The Times and Sunday Times highlighted some interesting facts about results in the Premier League this season.
This season the top six clubs have won every single game that they have played against the bottom 3 teams (Huddersfield, Fulham and Cardiff). That is 31 games and 31 wins. 90 goals have been scored by the top teams in these 31 wins. Some contentious refereeing decisions may well have helped these results (see Cardiff v Chelsea recently).
This completel unbalanced outcome is despite the ratio of the TV money being more evenly distributed to all Premiership teams than in say France or Spain.
It is said that in the Championship "and team can beat any other team". In Div 2 this week, Macclesfield who were bottom, beat Exexeter who were in the play-offs.
The CL and Europa Cup results this season shows that the strength of the top 6 English teams. Maybe the 31 wins are down to the exceptional weaknesses of the bottom 3 teams? Both Fulham and Huddersfield are trying to avoid Premiership records for the most goals conceded and the least goals scored.
However, it is not just the bottom teams that are getting beaten in every game by the top 6. Watford are highly-placed and FA Cup finalists. Watford beat Spurs last Sep. Since then they have lost 9 out of 9 games against the top 6 teams. A consistently poor record for a team chasisng Europe next season.
The allocation of money changes next season, with more money going to to the top 6 teams. The Premier League will move more towards 3 or 4 competive divisions.
It is not solely about money. Fulham were the third biggest spenders this season, spending over £100 million on players. Spurs hardly spent any money. Look what the 2 teams have each achieved this season?
The logical move is for sustained pressure from the top teams to seek more money and or competative matches. A European Super League. (The top 6 are all still in European competions this season. This may not be enough). Celtic continue to dominate Scottish football. This lack of serious challengers does not help them progress in the Champions League.
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The fact that since its conception 27 yrs ago there have only been 6 teams that have won it says something...take out the 2 teams that have caused a blip ( Blackburn and Leicester ) then the other 24 titles have been shared between 4 teams...predictable ?? Of course.
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Compared to 11 in the 27 years before the prem began.
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Yes.
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The fact that since its conception 27 yrs ago there have only been 6 teams that have won it says something...take out the 2 teams that have caused a blip ( Blackburn and Leicester ) then the other 24 titles have been shared between 4 teams...predictable ?? Of course.
It could be worse look at Scotland, Spain, The Netherlands, Germany et al makes our title winners look very varied indeed.
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It could be worse look at Scotland, Spain, The Netherlands, Germany et al
makes our title winners look very varied indeed.
But those leagues were ever thus (with the odd blip), while in England there was a reasonable chance of someone like Ipswich (!), Villa or Derby coming up to the top table even if we appeared to have periods of dominance by a few. One other factor now is that we no longer have the European Cup but the misnamed Champions League. To join the EC you had to actually win your domestic league so the title really meant something. Only the holders were exempt. It wasn't good enough to sneak in to the CL in 4th and pick up a fortune to keep you up with the domestic elite.
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Don’t the best sides normally win the league ? Well if that’s predictable then , yes
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makes our title winners look very varied indeed.
I think I'm right in saying that the PL hasn't been retained since 2009 - the longest run in any of Europe's top divisions. (Obviously the top 6 is entirely predictable though)
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I think I'm right in saying that the PL hasn't been retained since 2009 - the longest run in any of Europe's top divisions.
(Obviously the top 6 is entirely predictable though)
That really emphasises my point about the Champions League, Abdul. They don't need to win the league title anymore. They only need to qualify for the CL. Although the supporters may be a bit miffed for a minute or two at finishing 2/3/4 the moneybags will be content.
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Although the supporters may be a bit miffed for a minute or two at finishing 2/3/4 the moneybags will be content.
Hence Arsene Wenger keeping his job for so long!
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It could be worse look at Scotland, Spain, The Netherlands, Germany et al
makes our title winners look very varied indeed.
i couldnt give a flying one about their Leagues....the Premier League does throw up the odd shock result but year after year they grow rarer, those top 4 sides that have dominated it over the past 27 years wont get relegated, will hardly finish outside of the top four, will have a European campaign every season barring an absolute disastrous at every level season. Worst part is that is starting to drip into the Championship now....we couldnt survive at that level nowadays and for my generation that is a division that we used to frequent and do ok in. Premier league money has ruined lower league football, the best a well run club living within its means can hope for is League 1. All warnings were given back in 90/91 but not heeded, its a monster.
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I've always maintained that the goal of the top clubs will be to end up with a European League and there are moves afoot to expand the Champions League to 4 groups of 8, meaning there will be 14 games for each side before they even get to the knock out stages. There are similar plans for the Europa League too. The CL has been steadily expanding since it's inception and it will only be a matter of time before the clubs at the very top break away in my opinion. The clubs currently on the Prem gravy train, but outside of the elite, will then start to wither too in comparison. The trouble with greed is that there is no end to it. The more they get, the more they want, and because the rich hold all the power, they will get their way eventually.
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The Football League and in particular The Championship, by default of greater/any decent media coverage has long been a far more exciting prospect than the Premier League.
That said I think the Premier League has bucked its own trend a little in the past 5 or so years. Leicester winning the title was genuinely exciting to watch and the re-emergence of Liverpool, the growth of Spurs and I suppose the massive cash injection at Man City plus the relative demise of Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea has at least mixed things up a bit.
Abdul's point about no-one retaining since 2009 is a good one and not one I had observed. The title itself is going to the wire, which last happened in 2012-13 I think when City pipped United. Can't think that happens often in Spain, Italy etc.
I don't think the PL is hugely exciting or indeed massively dull. I think it's just completely over-saturated now. Sky love to point out that over Xmas they have 30 games on over 30 days, or something equally over the top. But the vast majority of people surely don't want that much football in their lives. It just makes it the norm rather than a treat.
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No.
Premier League Champions since 2009...
2009 - Man Utd 2010 - Chelsea 2011 - Man Utd 2012 - Man City 2013 - Man Utd 2014 - Man City 2015 - Chelsea 2016 - Leicester 2017 - Chelsea 2018 - Man City
La Liga Champions since 2009...
2009 - Barcelona 2010 - Barcelona 2011 - Barcelona 2012 - Real Madrid 2013 - Barcelona 2014 - Atletico 2015 - Barcelona 2016 - Barcelona 2017 - Real Madrid 2018 - Barcelona
Bundesliga Champions since 2009...
2009 - Wolfsburg 2010 - Bayern 2011 - Dortmund 2012 - Dortmund 2013 - Bayern 2014 - Bayern 2015 - Bayern 2016 - Bayern 2017 - Bayern 2018 - Bayern
Serie A Champions since 2009...
2009 - Inter 2010 - Inter 2011 - AC Milan 2012 - Juventus 2013 - Juventus 2014 - Juventus 2015 - Juventus 2016 - Juventus 2017 - Juventus 2018 - Juventus
Ligue 1 Champions since 2009...
2009 - Bordeaux 2010 - Marseille 2011 - Lille 2012 - Montpellier 2013 - PSG 2014 - PSG 2015 - PSG 2016 - PSG 2017 - Monaco 2018 - PSG
Premiership Champions since 2009...
2009 - Rangers 2010 - Rangers 2011 - Rangers 2012 - Celtic 2013 - Celtic 2014 - Celtic 2015 - Celtic 2016 - Celtic 2017 - Celtic 2018 - Celtic
Primeira Liga Champions since 2009...
2009 - Porto 2010 - Benfica 2011 - Porto 2012 - Porto 2013 - Porto 2014 - Benfica 2015 - Benfica 2016 - Benfica 2017 - Benfica 2018 - Porto
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