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TheRonRaffertyFanClub
April 12, 2019, 8:55pm
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Sad to see him pass away at 74. I was never a Liverpool fan but he was a hell of a player in a great side.

[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6916711/Liverpool-legend-former-captain-Tommy-Smith-dies-aged-74.html[/url]


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What a side Liverpool had in the 70's and 80's

Who'd have thought they wouldn't win the title for such a long time....might change this season though.


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My dad use to say Tommy Smith took more  legs than polio
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My dad use to say Tommy Smith took more  legs than polio


Which is a joke no one under 50 would get.

Liverpool would probably have not been the force they were without a Tommy Smith. When you look at sides like Dirty Leeds in those days.


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Which is a joke no one under 50 would get.

Liverpool would probably have not been the force they were without a Tommy Smith. When you look at sides like Dirty Leeds in those days.


'Bite your legs' Hunter was a poor mans Bobby Cumming  


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'Bite your legs' Hunter was a poor mans Bobby Cumming  


Bobby famously showed Hunter that his biting days were over.


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One less racist in the world......doubt Howard Gayle will be mourning
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Some years ago, didn't he lose his disability allowance for taking a legends penalty at half time in front of the Kop?
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Some years ago, didn't he lose his disability allowance for taking a legends penalty at half time in front of the Kop?


It was at Wembley. He had a plastic hip, two plastic knees and a plastic elbow.

I make no comment on his personality because I don't think he was a very nice man, but as a player he was phenomenal for his leadership and he was a better player on the ball than many who just saw him as a hard man gave him credit for. You didn't get into teams run by the likes of Shankley and Revie by just being a thug.


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https://amp.theguardian.com/fo.....player-was-difficult

Dead or alive he sounds like a horrible man.




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In Smiths time tackling was allowed, but would a Messi have survived back then, look at players like Tony Currie even Best they had absolute lumps took out of them. Although I believe football is to soft nowadays I think we all want to see skill and technique.
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They said even when he was a bit younger he had trouble with his knees and could hardly walk between games never mind train,

He would not have stayed on the pitch if he played today one of the breed that got away with murder in those days,

Do not like to call anybody that has died so RIP Tommy.


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Quoted from psgmariner
https://amp.theguardian.com/fo.....player-was-difficult

Dead or alive he sounds like a horrible man.


It was a long time ago, attitudes were rightly or wrongly very different. I don't think he was particularly racist and from what I have read Howard Gayle wasn't the easiest person to get on with. Not that it excuses Smiths behaviour but perhaps helps to explain it. In these more enlightened times Gayle has been swift to play the racist card generally but only singles out and criticises Smith individually as they clearly didn't get on and had a few spats.


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Bit unfair the veiled comments about him being rascist. I don't condone it but at the time it was acceptable. Look at episodes of till death do us part on you tube to see that racism was not only common but found funny at that time.
RIP Tommy
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Bit unfair the veiled comments about him being rascist. I don't condone it but at the time it was acceptable. Look at episodes of till death do us part on you tube to see that racism was not only common but found funny at that time.
RIP Tommy


No, it was the racist who was the object of fun, not the racism that was funny. You will have Johnny Speight spinning in his grave!


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No, it was the racist who was the object of fun, not the racism that was funny. You will have Johnny Speight spinning in his grave!



That's the line / excuse that Speight and Warren Mitchell (when pressed) always used, believe it if you will.

Ask Clyde ('don't give it to the c**n') Best if he saw it that way


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Quoted from psgmariner
https://amp.theguardian.com/fo.....player-was-difficult

Dead or alive he sounds like a horrible man.


Well I’ve read the same story as you and I don’t see how you have come to that conclusion. Gayle doesn’t come out of that well in my opinion .
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Bit unfair the veiled comments about him being rascist. I don't condone it but at the time it was acceptable. Look at episodes of till death do us part on you tube to see that racism was not only common but found funny at that time.
RIP Tommy


I'll add "Love Thy Neighbour" and "Rising Damp" to that.

It seemed acceptable at the time but I cringe when I see some of the episodes on TV now.

Anyway...my memory isn't what it used to be and I can't remember who was playing for England in his position at the time BUT I'm surprised such a big player for Liverpool only got one senior cap for England.


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"I'm not prejudiced but if a c**n moved in next door, I'd move, like most white people would. If my daughter came home with a n****r, I'd go mad. But I'm only being truthful and normal."

Sounds like a lovely fella.


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"I'm not prejudiced but if a c**n moved in next door, I'd move, like most white people would. If my daughter came home with a n****r, I'd go mad. But I'm only being truthful and normal."

Sounds like a lovely fella.


Also sounds like he was honest and told it as he felt and didn't pretend to be all politically correct in public


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